Virginia Post Game 2021

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A ton of youth on the field last night due to injuries and the flu bug this week. Rees and Kelly decided early on to keep the football in the Yeti after UVA's first series. The OL was pedestrian and I blame the lack of real tempo. There was zero sense of urgency and I chalk that up to Kelly slowing it down and working on shit, oh well. It's unfortunate Buchner fumbled on the 4 because 35-3 would've "looked" better. Fuck it, on to GT. Just keep winning but no playoffs please.
 

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QB under Kelly has been very very average at best. I think they are setting the team back already for next year with TB. He needed the game time experience due to him not having the 2020 season. He as the ability. He gives the team so many more options than Coan could dream about.

Since Rees will be staying i think they need to go find a real good QB coach to develop they recruits. If not it'll be the same story with every QB.

Brian Kelly, or probably any coach in the country, is just going to punt a season away. Their job is to put their team in the best position to win.

Tyler Buchner, a true frosh QB who has play 1 season of football in 3 years, wasn’t going to be the best option. Unfortunately, the massive OL struggles and a statue QB don’t mix well.

Credit to BK and Rees for adjusting the play style and to Quinn for semi fixing the OL.
 

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disagree. There is nothing, nada, zero in Kelly’s history here that suggests having a “better” QB would increase chances of winning a natty. He’s had some top talent, and wasted it. I’m positive that if we had Peyton Manning, Kelly still couldn’t win a national title. He’s not capable.

lol, who was this top talent Kelly has had?
 
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disagree. There is nothing, nada, zero in Kelly’s history here that suggests having a “better” QB would increase chances of winning a natty. He’s had some top talent, and wasted it. I’m positive that if we had Peyton Manning, Kelly still couldn’t win a national title. He’s not capable.

You’re not arguing that Kelly can’t take us to the playoffs, because that’s a moot point. Just excluding this as evidence to make your case that ND under Kelly will never be Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, or Georgia. None of the QBs we’ve seen here at ND have had the generational talent of a Peyton Manning, yet Book still lead us to two playoffs. So it’s either all Book, all Kelly, or both are responsible for that success. So what’s that about an elite QB? I’ll agree Kelly hasn’t be successful with the more highly rated QB recruits, but he has done wonders with lesser. Additionally, I like what he has been doing with TB this season in terms of building confidence and experience (for the most part).
 
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You’re not arguing that Kelly can’t take us to the playoffs, because that’s a moot point. Just excluding this as evidence to make your case that ND under Kelly will never be Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, or Georgia. None of the QBs we’ve seen here at ND have had the generational talent of a Peyton Manning, yet Book still lead us to two playoffs. So it’s either all Book, all Kelly, or both are responsible for that success. So what’s that about an elite QB?

Dudes on a two day bender. Can’t throw stones, been there done that many times. Grain of salt it and move on.
 

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I took some time to look through all the posts.... Jack Daniel's and I started with the TN/GA game and then into the Irish game. So, by the time I was posting last night, I may have got a little out of hand on some posts about how the Irish did the best they could with the starters available and on the road against a team with nothing to lose.

Although, I record every game (because Jack and I are GREAT friends on Saturdays)..... I just got done re-watching the game and I read a lot of posts about putting on the 'brakes' at the end of the second qtr instead of using time-outs and getting more points on the board.

So, with 1:16ish left, two timeouts, limited back-ups because of injuries and Flu, and 85 yards to go for TD or 55ish for a FG attempt instead of going in with a 3 possession lead against a team with no hope with who is replacing the starting QB for VA, I'm still curious why this is an issue or a 'Killer Instinct' issue for BK/Rees.

I'm not busting on anyone.... just want to know why it would have been so important to get (more than likely) three points out of the end of that qtr at the risk of a turnover/injury and go into the locker room up 21 - 0? The D saved 3/7 points against the Irish at the end of the 2nd QTR and I see posts about 'putting on the brakes, BK is scared of running up the score, Irish should have scored 150 points against this team).. now sober... still don't get it.
 

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I took some time to look through all the posts.... Jack Daniel's and I started with the TN/GA game and then into the Irish game. So, by the time I was posting last night, I may have got a little out of hand on some posts about how the Irish did the best they could with the starters available and on the road against a team with nothing to lose.

Although, I record every game (because Jack and I are GREAT friends on Saturdays)..... I just got done re-watching the game and I read a lot of posts about putting on the 'brakes' at the end of the second qtr instead of using time-outs and getting more points on the board.

So, with 1:16ish left, two timeouts, limited back-ups because of injuries and Flu, and 85 yards to go for TD or 55ish for a FG attempt instead of going in with a 3 possession lead against a team with no hope with who is replacing the starting QB for VA, I'm still curious why this is an issue or a 'Killer Instinct' issue for BK/Rees.

I'm not busting on anyone.... just want to know why it would have been so important to get (more than likely) three points out of the end of that qtr at the risk of a turnover/injury and go into the locker room up 21 - 0? The D saved 3/7 points against the Irish at the end of the 2nd QTR and I see posts about 'putting on the brakes, BK is scared of running up the score, Irish should have scored 150 points against this team).. now sober... still don't get it.

You’re a beast my friend. Jack isn’t friendly to me. Crown on the other hand…smoooooth.

Yeah, good question and thanks for revisiting. To me it was all about the momentum and we had it swinging in our favor. Like a fighter on the ropes before the bell if you will…knock that mofo out. We had a chance to deflate any hope before halftime, and didn’t with plenty of time.

Additionally, as many have noted, TB needs as many meaningful snaps as possible. This was a good opportunity to do so, although I do think/hope they’ll be others in these next two games. Wouldn’t be opposed to him starting/playing majority of snaps against GT.

I’m not necessarily in the style points camp but yes, there is that too.

I’m sure others have valid points as well. Those are mine. And to your injury thought, I’d argue there was more risk playing our guys important 2nd half snaps when instead we could have just put up another 7 before half.
 

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Of course Va was outgunned and Kelly showed some class but there should never be any more questions on this mans ability to coach this team under the schools terms (which I agree with) and his place in Notre Dames lore-they cant beat these sec and occasional power teams (that pop in and out yearly) that are little minor league franchises but man o man has he brought enjoyment to watching Notre dame football-they are 1 of the most disciplined and well coached teams in the country- it doesn't bother me a lick that they cant handle the minor league pro team in a playoff game or NY6 bowl game-what the &@%$ do you want with what what he has to deal with-he will be missed. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if he pulls a rabbit out of the hat and wins one before he leaves.
 

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I took some time to look through all the posts.... Jack Daniel's and I started with the TN/GA game and then into the Irish game. So, by the time I was posting last night, I may have got a little out of hand on some posts about how the Irish did the best they could with the starters available and on the road against a team with nothing to lose.

Although, I record every game (because Jack and I are GREAT friends on Saturdays)..... I just got done re-watching the game and I read a lot of posts about putting on the 'brakes' at the end of the second qtr instead of using time-outs and getting more points on the board.

So, with 1:16ish left, two timeouts, limited back-ups because of injuries and Flu, and 85 yards to go for TD or 55ish for a FG attempt instead of going in with a 3 possession lead against a team with no hope with who is replacing the starting QB for VA, I'm still curious why this is an issue or a 'Killer Instinct' issue for BK/Rees.

I'm not busting on anyone.... just want to know why it would have been so important to get (more than likely) three points out of the end of that qtr at the risk of a turnover/injury and go into the locker room up 21 - 0? The D saved 3/7 points against the Irish at the end of the 2nd QTR and I see posts about 'putting on the brakes, BK is scared of running up the score, Irish should have scored 150 points against this team).. now sober... still don't get it.

Well regardless of the time in the game, you're always at risk if injury, so why even play the starters in the second half? I'm not sure you can ever get enough practice working on the 2 minute drill against a real opponent, so here was a good opportunity to do that with starters or backups.
 

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Leading up to Saturday night people were worried about this game whether Armstrong was going to play or not. Come game time ND was missing 4 captains and three of them on defense - best pass rusher, most consistent linebacker and one of the best defensive players in the nation all on the sideline and ND holds them to 3. That was fantastic.

Big props to the defensive staff for getting that defensive backfield ready to play. Xavier Watts learning curve has been phenomenal and I wish he would have come in as a DB. He is gonna be good. Getting Henderson - who hasn't looked all that great this season - to play like he did Saturday was a coaching masterpiece. I can't think of any completions VA had that were not heavily contested. When they did have a completion, they were immediately tackled. Just a great effort by the defense and especially the DBs.

Offense didn't look spectacular but they didn't need to be. There were definitely points left on the field. I do get why they played fairly conservative though. No reason to push things when the game is already in hand. The lack of depth at WR is still a big concern and no reason to push too hard when the game is in hand.
 

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I took some time to look through all the posts.... Jack Daniel's and I started with the TN/GA game and then into the Irish game. So, by the time I was posting last night, I may have got a little out of hand on some posts about how the Irish did the best they could with the starters available and on the road against a team with nothing to lose.

Although, I record every game (because Jack and I are GREAT friends on Saturdays)..... I just got done re-watching the game and I read a lot of posts about putting on the 'brakes' at the end of the second qtr instead of using time-outs and getting more points on the board.

So, with 1:16ish left, two timeouts, limited back-ups because of injuries and Flu, and 85 yards to go for TD or 55ish for a FG attempt instead of going in with a 3 possession lead against a team with no hope with who is replacing the starting QB for VA, I'm still curious why this is an issue or a 'Killer Instinct' issue for BK/Rees.

I'm not busting on anyone.... just want to know why it would have been so important to get (more than likely) three points out of the end of that qtr at the risk of a turnover/injury and go into the locker room up 21 - 0? The D saved 3/7 points against the Irish at the end of the 2nd QTR and I see posts about 'putting on the brakes, BK is scared of running up the score, Irish should have scored 150 points against this team).. now sober... still don't get it.

I understand that it felt like UVA didn't have enough firepower. But still, I have a few reasons that I don't like this move. Nor do I like the ultra conservative 4th quarter playcalling leading to the turnover on downs.

1. I don't think you should stop trying to score, ever. If the game is out of hand, put in your backups and let them try to score. Game experience is the most important thing for developing for the future. Instill confidence in the players, give them work, and establish an aggressive mentality. Which brings me to:

2. It's hard to turn aggression back on. The second half offense was not good. You can't blame that solely on calling off the dogs before half, but it doesn't help.

3. The game was still totally in doubt. A 21 point deficit is far from out of reach. UVA had an explosive offense this year, maybe the QB finds something and they figure it out in the second half. However, statistically, 28 at the half is basically ball game. Then you can look back to #1 and get the young guys meaningful work for most of the second half.

4. Game control matters to the playoff committee. The best way to show game control is to blow their doors off. OSU is regularly scoring 50+. Bama 42+. Then we get upset when the "eye test" or whatever you want to call it results in them being ranked so high with losses. Well it's because the committee's eyes are watching them obliterate teams.
 

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Jimmy Johnson was nice.....until Doug Flutie and BC happened. After that it was pedal to the metal until the other team waved the white flag. He even ran it up on Notre Dame with the backups.

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Jimmy Johnson was nice.....until Doug Flutie and BC happened. After that it was pedal to the metal until the other team waved the white flag. He even ran it up on Notre Dame with the backups.

Strike first
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No mercy

I like it! It’s Turtle time! I’m not suggesting pulling a Baylor contrived FG to pad the score with 3 seconds led but let your backups get after it.
 

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I like it! It’s Turtle time! I’m not suggesting pulling a Baylor contrived FG to pad the score with 3 seconds led but let your backups get after it.

Even as a semi OU fan (Wife and BiL are alums,.. if ND doesn't win a natty then let it be OU).... I had no problem with the FG. I get it from the perspective of the tie breaker and such... why not? Just my take.
 

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QB under Kelly has been very very average at best. I think they are setting the team back already for next year with TB. He needed the game time experience due to him not having the 2020 season. He as the ability. He gives the team so many more options than Coan could dream about.

Since Rees will be staying i think they need to go find a real good QB coach to develop they recruits. If not it'll be the same story with every QB.

Agreed that TB has the talent and will be good QB, but definitely going to need a "serviceable" backup. With him more than likely running a lot, he'll be more apt go get dinged up and need a temporary replacement. Hopefully, Pyne doesn't get too disgruntled and goes into the trf portal. He does a decent job filling in and does know the system.
 

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Even as a semi OU fan (Wife and BiL are alums,.. if ND doesn't win a natty then let it be OU).... I had no problem with the FG. I get it from the perspective of the tie breaker and such... why not? Just my take.

If there is a chance they play again this year my money is on Ok. When they play again next year Ok will win as well.
 

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Agreed that TB has the talent and will be good QB, but definitely going to need a "serviceable" backup. With him more than likely running a lot, he'll be more apt go get dinged up and need a temporary replacement. Hopefully, Pyne doesn't get too disgruntled and goes into the trf portal. He does a decent job filling in and does know the system.

Hope Pyne hangs in there gets his degree and helps us out. Probability is he will be needed a couple of games given how aggressive TB runs the ball. If he left would that make Mirer the next man in? I just hopes if he decides to leave that he does it prior to spring practice so we can figure out our backup situation. Mirer has good genes and size. Let’s hope that he could fare alot better than young Montana.
 

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Hope Pyne hangs in there gets his degree and helps us out. Probability is he will be needed a couple of games given how aggressive TB runs the ball. If he left would that make Mirer the next man in? I just hopes if he decides to leave that he does it prior to spring practice so we can figure out our backup situation. Mirer has good genes and size. Let’s hope that he could fare alot better than young Montana.

LOL I think you mean Powlus. I could’ve swore that Mirer’s kid was a lacrosse player. But I had to check the roster to make sure Mirer wasn’t on the team.
 

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Everything I've seen from the beat writers say that Pyne isn't going anywhere next year. He values the degree, loves ND, and knows theres lots of potential for PT.

Pretty sure we can count on a solid backup for 22.
 

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This forum needs to do a Zoom or something.... I deem most or our posts are either taken out of context, misinterpreted, or just don't get the background of what is trying to be stated. I'm not upset with the responses to my posts at ALL... but, when I read through some/most of these responses, I do not believe we all understand/get the idea of what is trying to be relayed.

I would love to set up a Friday Night/Game Night before a game.. I have the means to do a Zoom conference with up to 300 people. I would moderate and do it fairly. We could start at around 6-7pm and do an hour. Then do a follow up/Post Game Zoom on Sunday night around 5ish for a couple hours.... PM me if interested. I just don't think the keyboard/forum gets the ideas of everyone's thoughts through in a specific manner.

Also - GO IRISH!!!
 

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This forum needs to do a Zoom or something.... I deem most or our posts are either taken out of context, misinterpreted, or just don't get the background of what is trying to be stated. I'm not upset with the responses to my posts at ALL... but, when I read through some/most of these responses, I do not believe we all understand/get the idea of what is trying to be relayed.

I would love to set up a Friday Night/Game Night before a game.. I have the means to do a Zoom conference with up to 300 people. I would moderate and do it fairly. We could start at around 6-7pm and do an hour. Then do a follow up/Post Game Zoom on Sunday night around 5ish for a couple hours.... PM me if interested. I just don't think the keyboard/forum gets the ideas of everyone's thoughts through in a specific manner.

Also - GO IRISH!!!

Just curious; does this apply to most of the threads or just this one? I need to go get a haircut then.
 

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Here's the post-GT Rakes Report:

1) Myron Tagovailoa-Amosa committed to Notre Dame on February 1, 2017. Despite their consistent success in the program, it’s always odd when a Hawaiian recruit opts for the climate of South Bend, doubly so when they choose to come after the Fighting Irish went 4-8. Since arriving on campus, MTA has been on the roster for 53 wins, making the playoffs twice (at least) and earning a captaincy and the adoration of both fans and teammates. Isaiah Foskey and Jayson Ademilola have been terrors along the defensive line all year but when they had the opportunity to clear the way for an MTA fumble return touchdown on Saturday they took it to another gear, two blue-chip prospects from opposite sides of the country going all out for the elder statesman. In addition to finding his way to the end zone, the senior also blocked a field goal attempt and earned the game ball — two weeks after his long-time trenchmate Kurt Hinish got one of his own — which was a perfect way to go out.

Saturday was pretty much perfect all the way around as Notre Dame improved to 10-1, their fifth straight season of double-digit victories. The Irish have not played the stiffest of competition this month but they’ve done what you should do when presented with weaker opponents, with the current November tally being Notre Dame Defense 16 (touchdowns by MTA and Jack Kiser on Saturday, plus the safety against Navy) and Opposing Offenses 9, all without the services of Kyle Hamilton. There’s something special about a comfortable Senior Day blowout that gets so many people who’ve done so much work on the practice field and in the locker room involved, and we’ve been blessed with four straight easy ones, the 55-0 preceded by 45-21, 40-7 and 42-13.

For a season that was teetering for much of the first six weeks, we’re now in the position where Notre Dame might just mess around and make the playoff again. Considering everything this team lost to the NFL from last season and everything they lost to injury over the course of this one, the fact that we can now comfortably place the dial on “Reload” versus “Rebuild” is a testament to everybody involved. One more to go.

2) I am not sure what Geoff Collins has been up to during his three seasons in Atlanta because Georgia Tech looked awful, struggling to both block and tackle, two somewhat important factors in the game of football. The Irish offense rushed for 200+ yards (again) and Jack Coan completed 75 percent of his passes (again) and after an opening drive that sputtered out with a couple sacks, Tommy Rees’ crew scored touchdowns on their five remaining first-half possessions.

Whatever you wanted to see, you got it. Continued creativity in the run game, with some fun sweeps. Two touchdowns on the ground, four catches and another long punt return from Kyren Williams. A gorgeous screen to Logan Diggs for a touchdown (during which Josh Lugg killed a guy) to complement his rushing score. Michael Mayer running wild and free up the middle of the seam, and Kevin Austin bringing in a pretty throw down the sideline, both catches good for 50+ yards. On a day where the seniors were celebrated, the two leading rushers were true freshmen, Tyler Buchner (who ripped off a 68-yarder) and Audric Estime (fulfilling and further fueling all the hype as a bowling ball with ballerina feet). Other freshmen also chipped in, with Lorenzo Styles pulling in two balls and Deion Colzie dragging a Georgia Tech defensive back ten yards for a first down. The ability of Notre Dame to win this many games by this many points playing this many freshmen is really, really fun.

3) Defense was just a complete and total suffocation, save for Jordan Yates getting loose once. (Please say a prayer for that young man, who spent Saturday being beat to hell and now must face the Dawgs.) 10 tackles for loss, six sacks and the two touchdowns, both aided by the fact Collins’ offense schemed to block Notre Dame’s leading sack-getting with a tight end or not at all. Georgia Tech's first five drives resulted in a pick six, a trio of three-and-outs and then a five-play, 15-yard march down the field before a punt. The one thing the Irish had to do was not let Jahmyr Gibbs, one of the most productive backs in the nation, defeat them, and that was a check-plus, as Gibbs had a long run of 17 and no contributions to the receiving game.

This is the promise of the Marcus Freeman defense in its final form: Just pure chaos, the opposing backfield never having time to take a breath. While we will absolutely miss the stalwart presences of MTA and Hinish next season, Howard Cross continues to fill out a nice audition reel for the middle of the defense (two sacks against the Bees) while we must again highlight Clarence Lewis, who paired a couple of pass break-ups with another tackle for loss. Players getting better and more comfortable in their roles over the course of a season - it's good, folks.

4) Jonathan Doerer has been fighting through injury for half of the season but came through in his final game, knocking in a pair of field goals, including a 41-yarder to open the scoring when we didn’t realize it was going to be quite this easy so an empty trip would have caused some jittery nerves. Chris Tyree opened things up with a great kick return as he, like Mayer, appears to be getting healthier. There are few things Irish fans love to complain about more than Brian Polian and special teams but this season has provided them little opportunity to do so, which is a great sign.

5) Winning is Hard/Schadenfreude Round-Up: No. 3 Oregon was three wins away from their second playoff appearance, but they were rocked from pillar to post in Salt Lake City, trailing 28-0 at the half to the Utes and never making it competitive. The Ducks will now just hope to salvage a 10-2 regular season against the Beavers. You know it’s a special Saturday when 38-7 was not the most lopsided defeat suffered by a Top 10 team, as No. 7 Michigan State was sent to the moon by the Buckeyes, 56-7, after trailing by seven touchdowns at the half.

Alabama beat Arkansas by only a touchdown at home. Wake Forest got crushed by Clemson and their outside chance at a playoff bid is now nil. Preseason playoff dark horse Iowa State is now 6-5 after losing to Oklahoma, whose offense continues to underwhelm. Texas lost at West Virginia and is staring in the face of 4-8. Florida lost at Missouri and now will play Florida State (victors over Boston College) to see who gets to go bowling or not but Dan Mullen will not be on the sideline for the Gators as he was fired and declined to coach the game. USC gave up 62 to UCLA. Auburn lost at South Carolina. Washington lost to Colorado in a game where they held the Buffalos under 200 yards of offense while gaining more than 400 of their own. Northwestern is now 3-8 after a loss to Purdue. Arizona State barely mustered an effort as a road favorite at Oregon State.

6) My suggestion for dealing with the final two playoff ranking reveals is to divorce your enjoyment of this Irish team and the sport as a whole from what the committee decides. If you want to have fun gaming out scenarios and speculating, go nuts, but don’t let them inspire even a hint of negative emotion. Remember, this is an organization that once harbored a war criminal and chose to fly to meet in person weekly last fall in the teeth of a viral pandemic to come up with rankings that were completely meaningless. If the Irish were to make it at 11-1, I think they’d be a worthy entrant (fourth in Strength of Record, sixth in loss-adjusted SP+ resume, near the top of the FEI Wins Above Average), but I’m not going to get too worked up about getting left out when the second-best win is probably Purdue and our fate is at the mercy of a small group of people who face zero accountability.

7) In 2006, Notre Dame opened the season at Georgia Tech as No. 2 team in the country. The game was on ABC in primetime and the intro package included Brent Musburger hyping up the Irish and saying, “Welcome to the new good old days.” Those good days did not last long, as that team with all the expectations in the world finished with three ugly losses. Even worse, Weis was unable to build upon the consecutive BCS appearances, winning only 16 games over the following three seasons before his dismissal and the hiring of Kelly. To compare the current success to that years-long failure, the senior class graduating next spring saw a single home loss during their four falls on campus, the same as the class that preceded them.

None of this 2021 success was guaranteed: Notre Dame spent the first half of the season teetering on the precipice, but the coaching staff and roster did enough to avoid the fall and then figured things out as the weather cooled and schedule softened. When Hamilton went down, they kept going, just as they did when they rotated through offensive linemen and quarterbacks and linebackers and receivers. What the Irish are doing right now is still a notch below the elite of the elite of the sport, but it’s still damn impressive and the arrow on the program’s trajectory continues to point up.

One quick trick to immolate all these good vibes and make a committee decision easy would be to lose on Saturday. Considering the stakes (win and you potentially make the playoff for the third time in four years) and the quality of opponent (truly awful), a defeat against Stanford would rank among the worst in Notre Dame history. (I know I also said this going into Syracuse last year, but it was true then as well.) 11-1 is right there and can come at the expense of a program that was a thorn in Kelly’s side for much of his Irish tenure. Go get it.

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Why does it go in the UVA thread? Whiskey has been hitting the egg nog a bit early on Monday...
 

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Of note, Brennan Armstrong is just coming off this performance against Pitt. 36-49, 73.5% comp ptc. 487 yds, 9.9 yds/att, 3 TD's and 1 INT.
 
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