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Thanks for sharing. The biggest takeaway for me is that the offense since the Meldown in Miami has been pretty bad. I’m starting to think it might be time to move on from Long. His offense is definitely trending in the wrong direction. I believe it was Lax that pointed out that this is looking more and more like a Vangorder type situation.

Would be par for the course to finally free ourselves of Uncle Rico and turn the defense around with a couple of solid DC hires, only for the offense to fail with a similarly sketchy hire.

Not sure if we've reached "Fire Long" banners being flown over the stadium yet. It's definitely concerning though.

I'd have to think Turnover Tommy would have to be in as much hot water, if not more, than Long. I'd say that Long at least has some positives on his resume, while Rees...still doesn't even have a resume, let alone any positives on it. But even guys like Mike Sanford and Matt LaFleur didn't seem to have much success coaching QB's under Kelly, so who knows. The lack of progression/regression of QB's under Kelly is the giant gorilla in the room and clearly staring all of ND directly in the face.
 

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That moment when Beau finally realizes what many of us recognized years ago.......

I think we would like to see Kelly miserable. Miserable like Saban is. Demanding and expecting greatness in every aspect of his program. Looking for any weaknesses in his program and squashing it. Never being satisfied.

Yes, miserable seems to be a good thing when it comes to running a football team.
 

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Turns out I had to host our 38th Annual High School Reunion for "The Boys" last weekend. I forgot (thought it was this weekend), but guys were flying in from Toronto, Vancouver, Saskatoon and Edmonton. Missed the Vandy game... which I was hosting as well.

Watching the game now... a few minutes into the second quarter and I am really impressed with the play on both sides of the ball. A few really bad dropped balls by Finke and Claypool. IMHO, at this point in the game, we have a legit Top 7 D. They are all playing great!

I know how this ends and have heard a lot of negatives but so far, I'm really happy and proud of the lads. Great potential.

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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Not sure if we've reached "Fire Long" banners being flown over the stadium yet. It's definitely concerning though.

I'm not there yet, and given the fact that Kelly was our de facto OC for quite a while, I doubt it'll ever get that bad. If he loses confidence in Long, he'll just marginalize him.

I'd have to think Turnover Tommy would have to be in as much hot water, if not more, than Long. I'd say that Long at least has some positives on his resume, while Rees...still doesn't even have a resume, let alone any positives on it. But even guys like Mike Sanford and Matt LaFleur didn't seem to have much success coaching QB's under Kelly, so who knows. The lack of progression/regression of QB's under Kelly is the giant gorilla in the room and clearly staring all of ND directly in the face.

Ironically, as far as QB development under Kelly goes, Rees' career is one of the highlights. And Kizer's 2015 performance under Sanford's tutelage was very impressive.
 

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I'm not there yet, and given the fact that Kelly was our de facto OC for quite a while, I doubt it'll ever get that bad. If he loses confidence in Long, he'll just marginalize him.



Ironically, as far as QB development under Kelly goes, Rees' career is one of the highlights. And Kizer's 2015 performance under Sanford's tutelage was very impressive.

The good news is you can correct the dropped passes that should have been caught which will have a positive impact on the offensive production. If improvement isn't shown as the year progresses, I could see Long getting replaced as opposed to marginalized after the season. BK may some hard decisions and revamped his staff. No reason to think he may not do it again.

Tommy didn't have a cannon, but he knew how to run and offense and manage the game. Can we do a brain transplant with BW and Tommy?
 

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The offense and OC is becoming a major concern for me. Last 7 games we have scored 8, 24, 20, 21, 24, 24, 22.
 

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Let's chronicle our possessions

1) 26 yard FG - 10 plays 74 yards. 1st and goal from 2 yard line, two stoned runs then false start pushes to the 8 where BW throws incomplete. Don't act like BW didn't have red zone opportunities

2) TD - BW scrambles for TD(claimed as only non-designed run by CBK) 15 plays 94 yards - easy to forget Book coming in on the fourth play (3rd and 1 from the 29) and converting on a 9 yard pass to Brock Wright. FOUR third down conversions on this drive

3) Punt - 3 & Out - started with a substitution infraction on first down (wtf) followed by three run plays

4) Punt - 3 & Out - run BW for -1 then two BW incompletions

5) 33 yard FG - first play 20 yard TJ run plus 15 yard penalty followed by TJ 10 yard run - then BW 4 yard run and two incompletions to stall inside the 20. 6 Plays 49 yards (15 off of penalty)

6) 46 yard FG - 10 plays 51 yards (15 on roughing passer to bring us to the 35), stalls on 35 after two failed TJ runs but Wimbush picking up 6 yards and 3rd and 10 creates a much easier FG attempt. 1:15 left in the half allows time for Vandy to get a FG on a 72 yard drive to end the half on a positive when we really should have been able to grind out the half

2nd Half
7) punt - 7 plays 16 yards. Two first downs, Book relieves BW after BW picked up a first down on the ground. -3 three scrambling and BW comes in to throw incomplete 2nd &13 and -6 completion to Finke on 3rd down and 13. Bit of a cluster - why not leave Book in for obvious passing situations? Also love throwing the ball behind the LOS when you need 13

8) Punt - 3&Out off the 1 after the endzone pick - three runs net 9 yards

9) TD - 11 Plays 75 yards - 0 incomplete passes in this series - BW passes for 14, 32, 3 and 10 yards make up half his passing yardage for the day (61). Book in on 3rd&3 from the 5 comes short, BW gets 1 yard first down, Book floats it to Weishar for 2 yard TD - amazing how much better an offense works when you can eat up yards in the air but the inside the five QB carousel sure felt sub-optimal despite positive results.

9) Missed 32 yard FG - 7 plays 37 yards set up by Young's 50 yard KO return. All on the ground not even a pass attempt with a 5 point lead and coming off an exiting KR. Series started at 7:22 mark so could not have really expected to run the clock out. Give Vandy 3:39 to work down 5 - even if we get the FG it is a one score game.

10) Punt 3 plays -4 - Victory formation - oh wait, we were actually trying to get positive yardage here but obviously too chicken shit to even dream of passing the ball with our RBQB. 1:07 on the clock and we can't get a single first down to put it away. BW loses 10 yards on 3rd&4 to set up an epic 63 yard punt to give Vandy 12 seconds to go 90 yards.

10 running plays in a row to finish the game by the good guys. Literally half of BW's passing yardage was in drive #9 of the day after which we did not throw again. 61 yards passing going in to the 4th quarter!!!!! THAT IS PATHETIC.

Big penalties also moved us in to FG position twice where we immediately stalled out (#5 and #6 both in first half). Go for the damn jugular there and throw it down field - instead we run, run, run. After a penalty the defense is going to be less handsy - DBs less likely to PI (unless your are MSU). Take advantage! Oh wait - we don't have anyone we "trust" to put the ball in the air consistently - STFU and put a QB in the game then you nippleheads.

Frustrating to see so much potential out there be wasted playing around with a wannabe QB. Look at Bama and OSU - they could get away with RB/QBs in the past and dominate based all of their other talent but when you put a guy back there that can actually throw the ball - LOOK OUT. I feel like CBK has tried to be a poor man's Bama/OSU playing the zero TO, running QB, out athlete your opposition game. We don't have THAT much of a talent advantage to pull it off. We need to develop a real QB if we are going to reach the promised land. To that end - BW isn't going to get us there.
 

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The good news is you can correct the dropped passes that should have been caught which will have a positive impact on the offensive production. If improvement isn't shown as the year progresses, I could see Long getting replaced as opposed to marginalized after the season. BK may some hard decisions and revamped his staff. No reason to think he may not do it again.

Tommy didn't have a cannon, but he knew how to run and offense and manage the game. Can we do a brain transplant with BW and Tommy?
I just don't understand the hire. You are completely overhauling the program. You are Notre Dame and have limitless resources and pedigree. And Chip Long from Memphis was the best you could do? It was such an important time and hire and it was just 'meh'.
 

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Let's chronicle our possessions

1) 26 yard FG - 10 plays 74 yards. 1st and goal from 2 yard line, two stoned runs then false start pushes to the 8 where BW throws incomplete. Don't act like BW didn't have red zone opportunities

2) TD - BW scrambles for TD(claimed as only non-designed run by CBK) 15 plays 94 yards - easy to forget Book coming in on the fourth play (3rd and 1 from the 29) and converting on a 9 yard pass to Brock Wright. FOUR third down conversions on this drive

3) Punt - 3 & Out - started with a substitution infraction on first down (wtf) followed by three run plays

4) Punt - 3 & Out - run BW for -1 then two BW incompletions

5) 33 yard FG - first play 20 yard TJ run plus 15 yard penalty followed by TJ 10 yard run - then BW 4 yard run and two incompletions to stall inside the 20. 6 Plays 49 yards (15 off of penalty)

6) 46 yard FG - 10 plays 51 yards (15 on roughing passer to bring us to the 35), stalls on 35 after two failed TJ runs but Wimbush picking up 6 yards and 3rd and 10 creates a much easier FG attempt. 1:15 left in the half allows time for Vandy to get a FG on a 72 yard drive to end the half on a positive when we really should have been able to grind out the half

2nd Half
7) punt - 7 plays 16 yards. Two first downs, Book relieves BW after BW picked up a first down on the ground. -3 three scrambling and BW comes in to throw incomplete 2nd &13 and -6 completion to Finke on 3rd down and 13. Bit of a cluster - why not leave Book in for obvious passing situations? Also love throwing the ball behind the LOS when you need 13

8) Punt - 3&Out off the 1 after the endzone pick - three runs net 9 yards

9) TD - 11 Plays 75 yards - 0 incomplete passes in this series - BW passes for 14, 32, 3 and 10 yards make up half his passing yardage for the day (61). Book in on 3rd&3 from the 5 comes short, BW gets 1 yard first down, Book floats it to Weishar for 2 yard TD - amazing how much better an offense works when you can eat up yards in the air but the inside the five QB carousel sure felt sub-optimal despite positive results.

9) Missed 32 yard FG - 7 plays 37 yards set up by Young's 50 yard KO return. All on the ground not even a pass attempt with a 5 point lead and coming off an exiting KR. Series started at 7:22 mark so could not have really expected to run the clock out. Give Vandy 3:39 to work down 5 - even if we get the FG it is a one score game.

10) Punt 3 plays -4 - Victory formation - oh wait, we were actually trying to get positive yardage here but obviously too chicken shit to even dream of passing the ball with our RBQB. 1:07 on the clock and we can't get a single first down to put it away. BW loses 10 yards on 3rd&4 to set up an epic 63 yard punt to give Vandy 12 seconds to go 90 yards.

10 running plays in a row to finish the game by the good guys. Literally half of BW's passing yardage was in drive #9 of the day after which we did not throw again. 61 yards passing going in to the 4th quarter!!!!! THAT IS PATHETIC.

Big penalties also moved us in to FG position twice where we immediately stalled out (#5 and #6 both in first half). Go for the damn jugular there and throw it down field - instead we run, run, run. After a penalty the defense is going to be less handsy - DBs less likely to PI (unless your are MSU). Take advantage! Oh wait - we don't have anyone we "trust" to put the ball in the air consistently - STFU and put a QB in the game then you nippleheads.

Frustrating to see so much potential out there be wasted playing around with a wannabe QB. Look at Bama and OSU - they could get away with RB/QBs in the past and dominate based all of their other talent but when you put a guy back there that can actually throw the ball - LOOK OUT. I feel like CBK has tried to be a poor man's Bama/OSU playing the zero TO, running QB, out athlete your opposition game. We don't have THAT much of a talent advantage to pull it off. We need to develop a real QB if we are going to reach the promised land. To that end - BW isn't going to get us there.

Coaching matters, too be sure. And it's one thing in cfb that ND can control and not be in a disadvantage at. We should have the best coaching staff money can buy. Period.
 

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Let's chronicle our possessions

1) 26 yard FG - 10 plays 74 yards. 1st and goal from 2 yard line, two stoned runs then false start pushes to the 8 where BW throws incomplete. Don't act like BW didn't have red zone opportunities

2) TD - BW scrambles for TD(claimed as only non-designed run by CBK) 15 plays 94 yards - easy to forget Book coming in on the fourth play (3rd and 1 from the 29) and converting on a 9 yard pass to Brock Wright. FOUR third down conversions on this drive

3) Punt - 3 & Out - started with a substitution infraction on first down (wtf) followed by three run plays

4) Punt - 3 & Out - run BW for -1 then two BW incompletions

5) 33 yard FG - first play 20 yard TJ run plus 15 yard penalty followed by TJ 10 yard run - then BW 4 yard run and two incompletions to stall inside the 20. 6 Plays 49 yards (15 off of penalty)

6) 46 yard FG - 10 plays 51 yards (15 on roughing passer to bring us to the 35), stalls on 35 after two failed TJ runs but Wimbush picking up 6 yards and 3rd and 10 creates a much easier FG attempt. 1:15 left in the half allows time for Vandy to get a FG on a 72 yard drive to end the half on a positive when we really should have been able to grind out the half

2nd Half
7) punt - 7 plays 16 yards. Two first downs, Book relieves BW after BW picked up a first down on the ground. -3 three scrambling and BW comes in to throw incomplete 2nd &13 and -6 completion to Finke on 3rd down and 13. Bit of a cluster - why not leave Book in for obvious passing situations? Also love throwing the ball behind the LOS when you need 13

8) Punt - 3&Out off the 1 after the endzone pick - three runs net 9 yards

9) TD - 11 Plays 75 yards - 0 incomplete passes in this series - BW passes for 14, 32, 3 and 10 yards make up half his passing yardage for the day (61). Book in on 3rd&3 from the 5 comes short, BW gets 1 yard first down, Book floats it to Weishar for 2 yard TD - amazing how much better an offense works when you can eat up yards in the air but the inside the five QB carousel sure felt sub-optimal despite positive results.

9) Missed 32 yard FG - 7 plays 37 yards set up by Young's 50 yard KO return. All on the ground not even a pass attempt with a 5 point lead and coming off an exiting KR. Series started at 7:22 mark so could not have really expected to run the clock out. Give Vandy 3:39 to work down 5 - even if we get the FG it is a one score game.

10) Punt 3 plays -4 - Victory formation - oh wait, we were actually trying to get positive yardage here but obviously too chicken shit to even dream of passing the ball with our RBQB. 1:07 on the clock and we can't get a single first down to put it away. BW loses 10 yards on 3rd&4 to set up an epic 63 yard punt to give Vandy 12 seconds to go 90 yards.

10 running plays in a row to finish the game by the good guys. Literally half of BW's passing yardage was in drive #9 of the day after which we did not throw again. 61 yards passing going in to the 4th quarter!!!!! THAT IS PATHETIC.

Big penalties also moved us in to FG position twice where we immediately stalled out (#5 and #6 both in first half). Go for the damn jugular there and throw it down field - instead we run, run, run. After a penalty the defense is going to be less handsy - DBs less likely to PI (unless your are MSU). Take advantage! Oh wait - we don't have anyone we "trust" to put the ball in the air consistently - STFU and put a QB in the game then you nippleheads.

Frustrating to see so much potential out there be wasted playing around with a wannabe QB. Look at Bama and OSU - they could get away with RB/QBs in the past and dominate based all of their other talent but when you put a guy back there that can actually throw the ball - LOOK OUT. I feel like CBK has tried to be a poor man's Bama/OSU playing the zero TO, running QB, out athlete your opposition game. We don't have THAT much of a talent advantage to pull it off. We need to develop a real QB if we are going to reach the promised land. To that end - BW isn't going to get us there.

This is really painful when you put it to ink.
 

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Well into the third quarter... I am having trouble understanding the shift of momentum. Big question though... why so many premium empty seats? Seems like the attendance is really low.

If I had two or three weeks notice, I would have paid big bucks for lower bowl seats. Seems like a shame.

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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finally got finished watching the game on dvr. when the O goes tempo and wimbush doesn't have time to think, everything clicks. They start every game this way, and they did it again to get to 22. As soon as they slow down, everything takes years to develop, the running game stalls, and wimbush makes ugly passes. Why don't they keep the pedal down and go tempo most of the game? They have the personnel, and it obviously works. Maybe they're saving it for Stanford, I don't know...
 

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finally got finished watching the game on dvr. when the O goes tempo and wimbush doesn't have time to think, everything clicks. They start every game this way, and they did it again to get to 22. As soon as they slow down, everything takes years to develop, the running game stalls, and wimbush makes ugly passes. Why don't they keep the pedal down and go tempo most of the game? They have the personnel, and it obviously works. Maybe they're saving it for Stanford, I don't know...

In my completely honest and largely uneducated opinion, you have hit the nail EXACTLY on the head. Still watching though.

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The offense and OC is becoming a major concern for me. Last 7 games we have scored 8, 24, 20, 21, 24, 24, 22.

We need some big play guys on offense, just don’t see any “blue chippers”. Our RBs and WRs are average to good and our QB is schizophrenic, depending on the play. Was hoping for more multi TE sets and power football. That being said, it does seem like BW plays better with tempo, might need more of it. Hopefully we’ll start clicking.
 

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finally got finished watching the game on dvr. when the O goes tempo and wimbush doesn't have time to think, everything clicks. They start every game this way, and they did it again to get to 22. As soon as they slow down, everything takes years to develop, the running game stalls, and wimbush makes ugly passes. Why don't they keep the pedal down and go tempo most of the game? They have the personnel, and it obviously works. Maybe they're saving it for Stanford, I don't know...

That's been the modus operandi under BK for a long time. I don't know if he thinks the team can't sustain it or if he is trying to milk the clock once he gets a lead, but the offense is more effective when they are in the hurry up.
 

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Well into the third quarter... I am having trouble understanding the shift of momentum. Big question though... why so many premium empty seats? Seems like the attendance is really low.

If I had two or three weeks notice, I would have paid big bucks for lower bowl seats. Seems like a shame.

Cheers and Go Irish!!

Attendance was fine. The issue was the extreme heat. A lot of people went to take shelter below. A sheriff's deputy even pulled aside a member of my group because the deputy thought my friend had heat exhaustion.

I had sunscreen but still came away with a nasty sunburn.
 

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So, what I have read on IE over the last two games is that ND regresses to play against lower-ranked opponents. I wasn't happy with the Ball State performance but I am impressed with Vandy.

Is it possible that opposing teams rise to the performance of ND?

I'm trying to be objective after finally watching this game (and it was too close for my liking) but I thought we played fairly well. The D was great and we had a bit of bad luck on O... a few badly dropped balls and missed reads.

Call me a Pollyanna, but I am gaining optimism after the Ball State fiasco... if it was a fiasco.

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Attendance was fine. The issue was the extreme heat. A lot of people went to take shelter below. A sheriff's deputy even pulled aside a member of my group because the deputy thought my friend had heat exhaustion.

I had sunscreen but still came away with a nasty sunburn.

Ahhhh... thanks for the explanation. It did look like a beautiful day. I awoke Saturday morning to snow. Way too early for that crap.

Cheers and Go Irish!!
 

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So, what I have read on IE over the last two games is that ND regresses to play against lower-ranked opponents. I wasn't happy with the Ball State performance but I am impressed with Vandy.

Is it possible that opposing teams rise to the performance of ND?

I'm trying to be objective after finally watching this game (and it was too close for my liking) but I thought we played fairly well. The D was great and we had a bit of bad luck on O... a few badly dropped balls and missed reads.

Call me a Pollyanna, but I am gaining optimism after the Ball State fiasco... if it was a fiasco.

Cheers and Go Irish!!


This is so beyond real it's scary. Rarely does anyone come into ND stadium and lay an egg. They typically play the game of their entire lives, seen it so many times. I wish there was some sort of voodoo sht to hex these opponents with.
 

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I believe that first drives tend to work well not simply because they're scripted (and Kelly probably has a lot of say in that) but because they're pre-practiced so Brandon has "seen" the action several times and doesn't doubt/slow his comprehension down.

As to "tempo" offense then, our chosen QB can't run it, not with any consistency nor competence anyway. He is not an all-field comprehender-seer, and the quicker tempo is just going to induce more errors. IMO.

The two QBs that Kelly has had who were "stand-and-deliver" QBs (Rees and Kizer) could run such a thing, and Book (and probably later, Jurkovec) can. Kiel probably could have. Pike was the Cincinnati mold for this, but Collaros could stand-and-deliver while still posing a running threat. Golson couldn't. Wimbush is Golson revisited without the academic fiasco. The last thing that Long could do to relax me would be to emphasize "tempo" with a guy who can't deal with any more "excitement" than he already has.
 

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Wimbush is NOT Golson re visited. They're closer to inverse than identical.
I believe that first drives tend to work well not simply because they're scripted (and Kelly probably has a lot of say in that) but because they're pre-practiced so Brandon has "seen" the action several times and doesn't doubt/slow his comprehension down.

As to "tempo" offense then, our chosen QB can't run it, not with any consistency nor competence anyway. He is not an all-field comprehender-seer, and the quicker tempo is just going to induce more errors. IMO.

The two QBs that Kelly has had who were "stand-and-deliver" QBs (Rees and Kizer) could run such a thing, and Book (and probably later, Jurkovec) can. Kiel probably could have. Pike was the Cincinnati mold for this, but Collaros could stand-and-deliver while still posing a running threat. Golson couldn't. Wimbush is Golson revisited without the academic fiasco. The last thing that Long could do to relax me would be to emphasize "tempo" with a guy who can't deal with any more "excitement" than he already has.

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I believe the screens are basic RPO plays. These RPO plays are supposed to happen by virtue of a QB reading the defense. It seems that the plays are unsuccessful because they aren't being read correctly by Wimbush. Sampson pointed that out in one of his post game article, can't remember if it was Ball St. or Michigan.

This goes to a point I made earlier in the summer. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole in regards to QB's. If you have a qb who isn't a future first round draft pick, building an offense around him and asking him to do things that are beyond his abilities is just a recipe for disaster. Wimbush isn't Tom Brady. He can't make those reads and throw it all over the field that way. I'd like to see ND use him more like Bama used Jalen Hurts the past couple of seasons: distribute the ball, run it a lot, and pass just enough to keep the D honest. He's good at that and could be very successful.
 

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This is so beyond real it's scary. Rarely does anyone come into ND stadium and lay an egg. They typically play the game of their entire lives, seen it so many times. I wish there was some sort of voodoo sht to hex these opponents with.

Welcome to being ND, Bama, OU, OSU, and SC. Everybody circles you on their calendar and plays their best game of the year against you. The only voodoo I've ever seen that works against it is to jump on them early, beat them like a rented mule, and don't let them get any momentum going.
 

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Yeah south Arkansas tech really gets up for those Tusculosa paydays.....
 

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This goes to a point I made earlier in the summer. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole in regards to QB's. If you have a qb who isn't a future first round draft pick, building an offense around him and asking him to do things that are beyond his abilities is just a recipe for disaster. Wimbush isn't Tom Brady. He can't make those reads and throw it all over the field that way. I'd like to see ND use him more like Bama used Jalen Hurts the past couple of seasons: distribute the ball, run it a lot, and pass just enough to keep the D honest. He's good at that and could be very successful.

IMHO, BW is a two option guy. Option 1 is throw the first read or tuck and run if not open. Option 2 is designed QB run... Let him do that or give Book a go.
 

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We need some big play guys on offense, just don’t see any “blue chippers”. Our RBs and WRs are average to good and our QB is schizophrenic, depending on the play. Was hoping for more multi TE sets and power football. That being said, it does seem like BW plays better with tempo, might need more of it. Hopefully we’ll start clicking.



I would not say there are no blue chippers. All the WR’s on the team, excluding Finke were 4* recruits, Michael Young might have been 3 star though. If given the opportunity Miles Boykin could be an absolute monster. Saying that he is not a typical big play WR, but he should be given more opportunities at 50/50 balls. I think what you are looking for is someone to take the top off the defense. IE Braden Lenzy.

Which brings up a good point. Lenzy can play 4 games and still preserve a red shirt year. Why has he not stepped foot on the field to run a go route or a reverse? They saving his speed for Stanford?


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I would not say there are no blue chippers. All the WR’s on the team, excluding Finke were 4* recruits, Michael Young might have been 3 star though. If given the opportunity Miles Boykin could be an absolute monster. Saying that he is not a typical big play WR, but he should be given more opportunities at 50/50 balls. I think what you are looking for is someone to take the top off the defense. IE Braden Lenzy.

Which brings up a good point. Lenzy can play 4 games and still preserve a red shirt year. Why has he not stepped foot on the field to run a go route or a reverse? They saving his speed for Stanford?


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Welcome to being ND, Bama, OU, OSU, and SC. Everybody circles you on their calendar and plays their best game of the year against you. The only voodoo I've ever seen that works against it is to jump on them early, beat them like a rented mule, and don't let them get any momentum going.

Politely disagree. Apples and oranges. ND typically plays P5 schools that aren’t FCS level so they have better talent. Plus ND’s schedule typically contains four or five teams a year that aren’t regularly scheduled opponents so the hype for the game is always there.
 

Sherm Sticky

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Politely disagree. Apples and oranges. ND typically plays P5 schools that aren’t FCS level so they have better talent. Plus ND’s schedule typically contains four or five teams a year that aren’t regularly scheduled opponents so the hype for the game is always there.



I agree with you.

To add to the discussion about opponents coming into ND stadium and playing the games of their lives is true. The only teams that will come into ND stadium and lay an egg are the big boys that are regularly scheduled. Ala USC 2017 and Michigan 2014. The USF, Ball states, Vandy, Tulsa, etc play the games of their lives.


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