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Based on what? They brought him back this season and fired him after two games. That screams cometent adminstration to you?

Horrible process if you ask me. If this thing went off the rails and he lost his team after a bad game at home against Stanford, how'd he even make it back this year in the first place? They have to buy him out now the same as they would have in December unless he's got some kind of clause in his contract. How the hell are they going to recruit the rest of this cycle? Plus they fall behind on the juniors now too.

As for Franklin and Cristobal, both of them are fine recruiting head coaches as far as I can tell, but I'm trying to find the big games they've won to this point. Prior to Saturday for Cristobal anyway. Jack Del Rio is 58 years old and has never coached in college. He's making $3.5M to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL. I can't see why he takes this job with all the recruiting and bullshit he's going to have to deal with pushing 60. Matt Campbell has had his ass handed to him every time he's played Kirk Ferentz. If you cashed in your chips now on him, you'd probably owe the house money.

It's the same list of names for every other upper tier Power Five job that's going to open up. Helton was making almost $5M and was the highest paid coach in the conference. SC isn't a destination job anymore is it?

Usc is dysfunctional, no doubt. They should have fired him years ago when he signed a recruiting class that was a few spots better than toledo. They may lose a recruit or two but will end up with a better class overall without him.

It's still a great job and if they hire someone who is slightly above average they'll be able to piece together a roster good enough to compete for PAC title within two years, given in state talent and transfer portal. If they hit a homerun with the hire, they'll own the pac and a playoff spot for a decade.
 

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Based on what? They brought him back this season and fired him after two games. That screams cometent adminstration to you?

Horrible process if you ask me. If this thing went off the rails and he lost his team after a bad game at home against Stanford, how'd he even make it back this year in the first place? They have to buy him out now the same as they would have in December unless he's got some kind of clause in his contract. How the hell are they going to recruit the rest of this cycle? Plus they fall behind on the juniors now too.

As for Franklin and Cristobal, both of them are fine recruiting head coaches as far as I can tell, but I'm trying to find the big games they've won to this point. Prior to Saturday for Cristobal anyway. Jack Del Rio is 58 years old and has never coached in college. He's making $3.5M to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL. I can't see why he takes this job with all the recruiting and bullshit he's going to have to deal with pushing 60. Matt Campbell has had his ass handed to him every time he's played Kirk Ferentz. If you cashed in your chips now on him, you'd probably owe the house money.

It's the same list of names for every other upper tier Power Five job that's going to open up. Helton was making almost $5M and was the highest paid coach in the conference. SC isn't a destination job anymore is it?

Cristobal has a Rose Bowl win versus Wisconsin, between that, the OSU game and a Mich St bowl win he’s 3-0 against the Big 10. He will also have produced 2 Top 10 picks, both on the line of scrimmage.
 

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Cristobal has a Rose Bowl win versus Wisconsin, between that, the OSU game and a Mich St bowl win he’s 3-0 against the Big 10. He will also have produced 2 Top 10 picks, both on the line of scrimmage.

He's 16-7 in the PAC 12. From a money standpoint, Helton wasn't making much more than Cristobal.

It'll get interesting if Miami fires Diaz.
 

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Gotta believe their short list is (in no particular order): Campbell, Cristobal & Fickell

Campbell and Fickell don't fit at USC like Cristobal does. I'd be shocked if he left Oregon at this point, but look out if they get someone who's above average...
 

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He's 16-7 in the PAC 12. From a money standpoint, Helton wasn't making much more than Cristobal.

It'll get interesting if Miami fires Diaz.

True. But you asked if he won any big games and he’s won a Rose Bowl and @ Top 5 OSU, last year there was no non-con. Thats a pretty nice start to a career
 

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[TWEET]https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1437570513434521603?s=20[/TWEET]

That either, isn’t accurate or is bizarre that they already have their mind that made up. If it was that clear you like Fickell, it begs again why not do it in the off-season?
 

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Campbell and Fickell don't fit at USC like Cristobal does. I'd be shocked if he left Oregon at this point, but look out if they get someone who's above average...

How long has Cristobal been out there, four years? He's a Cuban Miami guy. It's really odd that he's considered Left Coast at this point.
 

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That either, isn’t accurate or is bizarre that they already have their mind that made up. If it was that clear you like Fickell, it begs again why not do it in the off-season?

Well USCs AD just came from Cincy.
 

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Franklin because he takes over for Del Rio in always getting mentioned, O’Brien because of his PSU history and he’ll be hot after Bama’s season and Fickell because of the AD is who I would guess are the big 3 names that will continuously be mentioned

Fickell was mentioned as a leading candidate back in late spring or early summer. Probably means it won’t be him. :eek:
 

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Based on what? They brought him back this season and fired him after two games. That screams cometent adminstration to you?

Horrible process if you ask me. If this thing went off the rails and he lost his team after a bad game at home against Stanford, how'd he even make it back this year in the first place? They have to buy him out now the same as they would have in December unless he's got some kind of clause in his contract. How the hell are they going to recruit the rest of this cycle? Plus they fall behind on the juniors now too.

As for Franklin and Cristobal, both of them are fine recruiting head coaches as far as I can tell, but I'm trying to find the big games they've won to this point. Prior to Saturday for Cristobal anyway. Jack Del Rio is 58 years old and has never coached in college. He's making $3.5M to be a defensive coordinator in the NFL. I can't see why he takes this job with all the recruiting and bullshit he's going to have to deal with pushing 60. Matt Campbell has had his ass handed to him every time he's played Kirk Ferentz. If you cashed in your chips now on him, you'd probably owe the house money.

It's the same list of names for every other upper tier Power Five job that's going to open up. Helton was making almost $5M and was the highest paid coach in the conference. SC isn't a destination job anymore is it?

USC will always be a destination job. Kelly’s 59, Mack Brown 70. They appear to have the energy to handle their jobs.
 
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That either, isn’t accurate or is bizarre that they already have their mind that made up. If it was that clear you like Fickell, it begs again why not do it in the off-season?

I think we can all say that Oregon and USC probably have the deepest pockets in the Pac12. But even those deep pockets were challenged last year. It's hard to pinpoint exact figures, but based on reported numbers from other PAC12 schools, it's a safe assumption USC lost between $35-$50M last year. They also finished 5-0 and lost in the PAC12 championship. On top of all of that, the PAC12 network and TV deal is a massive revenue barrier to schools, and that was before the UT and OU move. As unhappy as everyone was, pulling the trigger at that point may have been impossible from university leadership perspective.

The funny/troubling part of it all is that the names being reported (Luke, James Franklin, Stoops, etc) are going to see the writing on the wall w/r/t longtime revenue challenges for PAC12 teams. That's not changing, no matter who is control of the program. Yes, USC can and should be better. But can't and won't replicate the results of Pete Carroll but that is what everyone is clamoring for. If I am a guy like LF, I would think really long and hard about going anywhere near a Pac12 school no matter the name. Hell, I think most ACC schools would be equally as challenging. No way am I jumping to FSU / Miami or anyone close with the revenue shortfall they will have versus the Big10 and SEC moving forward. Better or worse, this is all about the $'s....not just what you can get paid, but what your school allows you to spend.
 

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USC will always be a destination job. Kelly’s 59, Mack Brown 70. They appear to have the energy to handle their jobs.

Del Rio doesn't want it. Don't know it for a fact but I'll bet it's the truth.

Destination job Based on what, accomplishments from decades ago? All of the talent there, especially at QB, is scattered east of the Rocky Mountains. There isn't a team out there that anyone cares to see play, not since Mariotta's Oregon Ducks maybe? It's been one blunder after another and the situation isn't something you can simply walk into and fix in three years.

The environment there right now isn't good. Look at the current process. They fired a coach two games into the season. As was asked above, if they have immediately set their sights on Fickell with an entire season left to play in mid September, this should have been done 10 months ago.
 

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Lets hope they get Franklin. Overrated as hell and it'll be "poach" season by that time.
 

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Cristobal’s buyout is around $9 million, and it doesn’t drop to $6.5 million until Jan. 15, 2022. That’s a big figure if USC does want to go after him, especially considering it is already paying Helton’s $10 million buyout.

This could potentially be an issue.
 

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I think we can all say that Oregon and USC probably have the deepest pockets in the Pac12. But even those deep pockets were challenged last year. It's hard to pinpoint exact figures, but based on reported numbers from other PAC12 schools, it's a safe assumption USC lost between $35-$50M last year. They also finished 5-0 and lost in the PAC12 championship. On top of all of that, the PAC12 network and TV deal is a massive revenue barrier to schools, and that was before the UT and OU move. As unhappy as everyone was, pulling the trigger at that point may have been impossible from university leadership perspective.

The funny/troubling part of it all is that the names being reported (Luke, James Franklin, Stoops, etc) are going to see the writing on the wall w/r/t longtime revenue challenges for PAC12 teams. That's not changing, no matter who is control of the program. Yes, USC can and should be better. But can't and won't replicate the results of Pete Carroll but that is what everyone is clamoring for. If I am a guy like LF, I would think really long and hard about going anywhere near a Pac12 school no matter the name. Hell, I think most ACC schools would be equally as challenging. No way am I jumping to FSU / Miami or anyone close with the revenue shortfall they will have versus the Big10 and SEC moving forward. Better or worse, this is all about the $'s....not just what you can get paid, but what your school allows you to spend.

I get what you're saying, but I think you may underestimate the lure of it being USC. Regardless of the PAC12 contract, USC has the money to keep the coach happy and USC almost recruits itself.

The timing of this is curious to say the least, but something has to have been percolating for a while for this to happen this early in the season.

The new president has gone on record that she isn't going to tolerate any of the crap that has plagued their athletic department, so any possible candidates probably won't have any baggage or questionable actions in their past.
 

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Del Rio doesn't want it. Don't know it for a fact but I'll bet it's the truth.

Destination job Based on what, accomplishments from decades ago? All of the talent there, especially at QB, is scattered east of the Rocky Mountains. There isn't a team out there that anyone cares to see play, not since Mariotta's Oregon Ducks maybe? It's been one blunder after another and the situation isn't something you can simply walk into and fix in three years.

The environment there right now isn't good. Look at the current process. They fired a coach two games into the season. As was asked above, if they have immediately set their sights on Fickell with an entire season left to play in mid September, this should have been done 10 months ago.

Never said Del Rio wants it. You mentioned his age as the reason and that's being short sighted. As I mentioned in my post above, something has to have been percolating for a while, for this to have happened this early in the season. The timing is questionable to say the least.

We'll agree to disagree on the lure of USC. I will just say that the names being floated out there are well known coaches. Seems curious for a job that isn't attractive anymore.
 

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Lets hope they get Franklin. Overrated as hell and it'll be "poach" season by that time.

Ugh, he's a hell of a recruiter though. He's have the pick of the litter on the west coast. This is not a good thing IMO.
 

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Dan Patrick was interviewing Ryan Kartje, USC beat writer at the LA Times. Kartje said the timing is curious, but losing to Stanford at home was the last straw. They hadn't lost to an unranked team at home for a long time and losing to an 18pt underdog did the trick. He said the admin wouldn't touch Urban Meyer due to his baggage. The big donors are already wanting a coach with a proven record that has coached at a big program like Stoops. He's not sure Fickell fits that bill. Doesn't think anyone has been contacted yet.
 

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Never said Del Rio wants it. You mentioned his age as the reason and that's being short sighted. As I mentioned in my post above, something has to have been percolating for a while, for this to have happened this early in the season. The timing is questionable to say the least.

We'll agree to disagree on the lure of USC. I will just say that the names being floated out there are well known coaches. Seems curious for a job that isn't attractive anymore.

I mention his age because he's never coached in college. Ever. He's an NFL guy. He went to SC. Two simple dots that are easy for people at ESPN and The Athletic to connect. Del Rio probably had a legitimate chance to go to USC.

The same names get floated for every big job that comes up. Doesn't make this one any different.

The guy who makes the most sense for me is Franklin. I don't know how "Hollywood" he is, but he's more Hollywood than Fickell and Campbell.
 

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Ugh, he's a hell of a recruiter though. He's have the pick of the litter on the west coast. This is not a good thing IMO.

Yes, he's a good recruiter. There is one day of the week that matters a lot more and he's left a lot to be desired there in terms of big games he's won.

I actually think he's a good fit for SC out of all the names being mentioned. After PSU got slapped on the wrist, he got them going again on the recruiting trail. He could probably do at least that for SC. I still question his coaching accumen. He recruits, hires good coordinators but doesn't seem to show up in the big moments of big games.

Pete Carroll was their second choice and a head scratching hire at the time. They might need to think outside of the box again and do something a bit more daring.
 

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I think Franklin would be a huge issue for us at USC. Yeah he makes bonehead decisions (timeouts) in game, and he for some reason loves Clifford and allowed Levis to walk. However, I think he is a players coach, and could attract the right coordinators to get USC back...

It's a sad day seeing Clay leave.
 

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Was reading a list of potential candidates. I think they'll target Bill O'Brien. Did a great job at PSU and he's currently proving himself under Saban.
 

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Why would Franklin got to USC? For all the talk about fit, he's a Penn State coach who grew up in Pennsylvania. It's hard for me to see what benefits he will get from leaving his current job.
 
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