USC recruiting and everything else

[rocket66]

Over the last 50 years, isn't there only 15 or so schools who have won a title? I thought I read that somewhere. The reality is that there are a select handful of schools who have a realistic shot to win a natty each year, and ND is in that group. That's what makes ND a top job.


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[dublinirish]

I rarely agree with koon on anything but this is correct IMO. If I rank according to resources available, fan base, ability to recruit elite local talent and pull elite kids in from across the country, relatively desirable location.....

Texas
Michigan
USC
ND
Oklahoma
OSU
UGA
Alabama (if anyone other than Saban is coaching, things become a little less easy IMO).

i could see bama becoming irrelevant after Saban leaves. The void will be just massive, their only recruiting tactic is the NFL level of coaching really right?

 

[ndfi78]

i could see bama becoming irrelevant after Saban leaves. The void will be just massive, their only recruiting tactic is the NFL level of coaching really right?

Whaa....

Bama has top notch facilities, support, tradition, etc, etc, etc. Their recruiting tactics are enumerable.

 

[dublinirish]

Whaa....

Bama has top notch facilities, support, tradition, etc, etc, etc. Their recruiting tactics are enumerable.

i think the drop off will be huge after Saban leaves though they will go the same way as Florida have since Meyer left. What sets them apart from say Georgia or Tennessee?

 

[connor_in]

Thinking off the top of my head that it's a top 5 job.... below is solely my opinion. Coming from the standpoint of attractiveness to coaches (salary potential, history, alumni support, recruiting, facilities, etc.). Assumes a coach believes he can restore the glory if relevant.

Bama
Texas
Ohio St
OK
USC
LSU
FSU
Michigan
UCLA
TN
FL
UGA
ND
Auburn
Clemson
Mich St
Oregon

... my uneducated gut feel.... nothing more. tried also to remove my homer-ness of ND in placing them.

Wow Oregon and MSU?

I would think Oregon only since Chip Kelly. Don't know the current coach can keep it there. Basically that and Nike money.

I respect the heck out of Dantonio's job up in East Lansing, but I don't think it makes this list yet. Facilities have gotten a lot better for them and Dantonio is pulling more and more of the better recruits, but at this point its all him and his staff. What AD Hollis and Dantonio and Izzo is putting together as a group looks like an emerging power, and I guess that's where they fit best in your guidelines...potential. It will be interesting to see how the job is treated by coaches/media at whatever point Dantonio hangs it up. I think that is when true judgement will be rendered.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wow Oregon and MSU?

I would think Oregon only since Chip Kelly. Don't know the current coach can keep it there. Basically that and Nike money.

I respect the heck out of Dantonio's job up in East Lansing, but I don't think it makes this list yet. Facilities have gotten a lot better for them and Dantonio is pulling more and more of the better recruits, but at this point its all him and his staff. What AD Hollis and Dantonio and Izzo is putting together as a group looks like an emerging power, and I guess that's where they fit best in your guidelines...potential. It will be interesting to see how the job is treated by coaches/media at whatever point Dantonio hangs it up. I think that is when true judgement will be rendered.

They are at the bottom of my list... lol. Oregon has the facilities, and that alone will attract recruits and coaches IMO. Mich St at this point has been consistently strong and in the picture for I guess, a decade now. Very much in the picture for playoffs several years. I wouldn't call them a top tier job, but they are a top 20 job.

Who would you put above them (Oregon and Mich St)?

 

[phork]

i could see bama becoming irrelevant after Saban leaves. The void will be just massive, their only recruiting tactic is the NFL level of coaching really right?

i think the drop off will be huge after Saban leaves though they will go the same way as Florida have since Meyer left. What sets them apart from say Georgia or Tennessee?

The drop off will be huge because there really isn't a lot of top tier coaches for these top tier jobs. So unless its a Saban disciple hire and they just keep the train on the tracks I don't know who would be at his level. I mean there is always the young up and comer but much like recruiting you have a bunch of people like that. You just have to hope you pick the one thats not going to wash out.

 

[Irish YJ]

I rarely agree with koon on anything but this is correct IMO. If I rank according to resources available, fan base, ability to recruit elite local talent and pull elite kids in from across the country, relatively desirable location.....

Texas
Michigan
USC
ND
Oklahoma
OSU
UGA
Alabama (if anyone other than Saban is coaching, things become a little less easy IMO).

I just don't see UGA being the same as those listed. ND either from an attractiveness perspective. Prestige, absolutely, but sooooo many challenges. Takes a rare individual to come to ND (assuming he's a top 5 coach before he came). A Saban would go to any of the above before ND IMO>

 

[connor_in]

They are at the bottom of my list... lol. Oregon has the facilities, and that alone will attract recruits and coaches IMO. Mich St at this point has been consistently strong and in the picture for I guess, a decade now. Very much in the picture for playoffs several years. I wouldn't call them a top tier job, but they are a top 20 job.

Who would you put above them (Oregon and Mich St)?

not sure, but I was just surprised they are on your list...I guess they could easily be the nouveau riche as compared to what are considered the Blue Bloods (MSU having a history of some greatness but that was almost as old as scUM's claimed natty's) --[side note - I love MSU's tied to ND history...not only the 1966 game, but both of them being treated like shite by scUM and attempting to be throttled in the crib only to come back and be a thorn in the side of the Wolverines forever)

after all the Blue Bloods got to be that by having one great coach take them on a great run, which then led to them perpetuating it with other good coaches and runs from time to time

its just that I am a bit older and remember MSU with Perles, Bobby Williams, Saban (for about a half cup of coffee before he bolted), and the ever lovely John L Williams who made Bob Davie/Tyrone Willingham look like great coaching hires for ND

 

[Irish YJ]

not sure, but I was just surprised they are on your list...I guess they could easily be the nouveau riche as compared to what are considered the Blue Bloods (MSU having a history of some greatness but that was almost as old as scUM's claimed natty's) --[side note - I love MSU's tied to ND history...not only the 1966 game, but both of them being treated like shite by scUM and attempting to be throttled in the crib only to come back and be a thorn in the side of the Wolverines forever)

after all the Blue Bloods got to be that by having one great coach take them on a great run, which then led to them perpetuating it with other good coaches and runs from time to time

its just that I am a bit older and remember MSU with Perles, Bobby Williams, Saban (for about a half cup of coffee before he bolted), and the ever lovely John L Williams who made Bob Davie/Tyrone Willingham look like great coaching hires for ND

I'm 45, so remember most of that too lol

 

[connor_in]

I just don't see UGA being the same as those listed. ND either from an attractiveness perspective. Prestige, absolutely, but sooooo many challenges. Takes a rare individual to come to ND (assuming he's a top 5 coach before he came). A Saban would go to any of the above before ND IMO>

This is what gets me about "great" coaches....how are they so great if they are so afraid of some real challenges

Turn around a second moribund program...go somewhere where a program has at least some ethics...hoping from school under NCAA investigation to school under NCAA investigation with rumors of various issues all the time doesn't make you a great coach in my book...a winning one yes, but at what cost

 

[connor_in]

I'm 45, so remember most of that too lol

HA! 46!

 

[dublinirish]

John L "The Property Speculator" Smith folks!

 

[Irish YJ]

This is what gets me about "great" coaches....how are they so great if they are so afraid of some real challenges

Turn around a second moribund program...go somewhere where a program has at least some ethics...hoping from school under NCAA investigation to school under NCAA investigation with rumors of various issues all the time doesn't make you a great coach in my book...a winning one yes, but at what cost

Just depends on the individual. I can certainly understand the business decision aspect. Why go somewhere when it's harder to recruit and is cold when you have an offer to a sunny place, rich with talent, with supportive academic standards. It would be a tough decision regardless of ethics when you are looking out for your family's financial well being. I think we are destined to constantly get the up and coming tier 2 guys who are looking to take the next step.

 

[connor_in]

John L "The Property Speculator" Smith folks!

whoops...messed that up...John L Smith, not Williams...sorry

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[NDinL.A.]

I think it's refreshing to see a guy like this get a shot at coaching his al mater after taking over admirably. He seems to have that locker room and speaks very well.

People always want to armchair AD these picks, but most people thought Sark was a terrific hire. We'll see, but I think he'll do fine there.

Wooly, most people did not think Sark was a terrific hire. In fact, most USC fans I know were dead set against the hire from the get-go. He had such a short rope with most USC fans that he was almost destined to fail.

As a ND fan, I’m really happy with the hire. He’s a good guy and a pretty good coach, but he’s nothing special, he’s never been a head coach, and he’s about to get the keys to a Ferrari that IMHO he’s just not ready for. We’ll see how it plays out, but Haden went with the safe, “adult” coach, almost as a way to overcompensate for the Kiffin disaster and his own incredible Sark After Dark blunder.

 

[MNIrishman]

The drop off will be huge because there really isn't a lot of top tier coaches for these top tier jobs. So unless its a Saban disciple hire and they just keep the train on the tracks I don't know who would be at his level. I mean there is always the young up and comer but much like recruiting you have a bunch of people like that. You just have to hope you pick the one thats not going to wash out.

There's usually a drop off anywhere after a great coach leaves. It happened to Bama after Bryant left. It'll happen when Saban leaves. Without Saban, I don't know that I'd look too hard at Alabama if I wanted to stay somewhere warm. Tuscaloosa is like a sweaty, sticky version of South Bend. It's not really a place you want to be without the guy winning NCs (yes, I have been there). I'd rather go to Florida or Miami for the academics, Georgia for the college town, or Tennessee because the smokey mountains kick ass. Alternatively, the PAC12 has mostly warm weather and terrific academics without the humidity. It also has women who are less likely to put on the graduation 200.

 

[NDinL.A.]

So you would pass up millions more to live in the rat race of downtown LA and coach at place with horrible facilities and deal with the daily brain damage that comes with that program?

C’mon man, you know the metrics that make USC a great job. Do these really need to be spelled out?

Almost unparalleled tradition? Check.

Fantastic recruiting base in your back yard? Check.

National reach in recruiting? Check.

National name brand? Check.

Number one school in the area? Check.

Best weather in the nation (generally speaking)? Check.

Unbelievably beautiful coeds to attract players? Check.

Top flight education (regardless of whether the players get that education)? Check.

Easy to get high-risk academic kids in? Check.

Cool factor? Check. (Thank you Reggie Bush)

Top-flight facilities? Check (the new McKay Center is nice)

Big city w/ lots to do for both players and coach’s families? Check.

Historic stadium right next to campus? Check.

Sure, there are some down sides to that job, but name any job in the country and I can name you some down sides. I hate USC probably more than anybody on this site, but it's not hard to see why it's a top 5 job.

 

[dublinirish]

USC Head Coach Clay Helton Fires DC Justin Wilcox, Other Staff Members - Today's "U"

SC head coach Clay Helton has fired defensive coordinator Justin Wilcox along with the majority of the coaching staff, according to multiple sources. Peter Sirmons (linebackers), Marques Tuiasosopo (quarterbacks/tight ends), and Tee Martin (wide receivers) are reportedly the only coaches being retained.

 

[TheChosen1]

TMZ

Sark suing USC.

 

[ThePiombino]

TMZ

Sark suing USC.

hahahahaah yessssss

 

[BoredIrish]

TMZ

Sark suing USC.

I hope he makes some serious cash out of this. Can't see him making much of a living as a coach going forward.

Also, this has to be the end of Haden right??? Considering alcoholism is a disability, Sark seems to have a case.

 

[beryirish]

Looking to get $12.5 million.

He got this number based on his estimate of how much it would cost to sustain his drinking problem for the rest of his life.

 

[woolybug25]

TMZ

Sark suing USC.

What did USC do wrong here, though? Is this really where we are as a society?

I'm pretty sure that being a drunk doesn't make you unfireable. If so, I need to step out of my office for a moment...

 

[ThePiombino]

What did USC do wrong here, though? Is this really where we are as a society?

I'm pretty sure that being a drunk doesn't make you unfireable. If so, I need to step out of my office for a moment...

I don't really know much about wrongful term, but if alcoholism is considered a disease, wouldn't this apply? I don't remember SC handling this especially well and it seems there was a lot of internal pressure to give Sark the boot. Wouldn't be surprised if they skipped a couple of legal steps in the process.

 

[irishff1014]

This move just goes to show how much of a scumbag he is. Of course it is someone else's fault. Smh.

 

[Irish#1]

What did USC do wrong here, though? Is this really where we are as a society?

I'm pretty sure that being a drunk doesn't make you unfireable. If so, I need to step out of my office for a moment...

You should know that people are going to file suit regardless of whether it was handled correctly or not.

Drinking a disability? Maybe, but if they have anything on record where he's stated he is fine, refused treatment or says he doesn't have a problem he may have blown his chances.

 

[IrishLax]

IT GETS BETTER:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the supporting points in Sark's lawsuit is that a Bleacher Report writer gave him A+ for his coaching job vs. ASU.</p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/673930473735766016">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[ThePiombino]

IT GETS BETTER:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">One of the supporting points in Sark's lawsuit is that a Bleacher Report writer gave him A+ for his coaching job vs. ASU.</p>— Stewart Mandel (@slmandel) <a href="https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/673930473735766016">December 7, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Can't. Be. Real.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Can't. Be. Real.

Seems legit.