USC recruiting and everything else

[STLDomer]

No. The Goodman/Willis "package deal" is actually one sided. Willis doesn't see them as a package, Goodman does.

Basically, if Goodman wants a spot, he'd have to commit soon. From what I'm hearing, the coaches won't give him the same amount of time to commit, that they will for Willis.

Thanks, makes much more sense.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Hey, dja see how Rivals jumped us over the vaunted Trojanez's(5) to the number 3 class?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Whoops, misread the text from my USC buddy...you're right, 11 commits right now, w possibly a total of 14 in a couple of weeks. But, Rodgers is now saying its 50-50 between $C and Auburn, so maybe not (still think he chooses sc).

And Bogs, yeah, we're ahead of SC right now on rivals, but they'll pass us by the start of the season. Then, well have to see how both teams play and who sticks w their pledges. No matter, I love our class. But I can't hate on USC's class, it's friggin loaded...

 

[NDhoosier]

ya, as much as I hate U$C, this class should probably be higher than what they are. 11 recruits and 9 of them top 150 players no matter what recruiting service you go to (3 ). To put that in perspetive, Michigan the #1 class has 22 recruits and 11 of them are top 150 players, USC has the top tier talent like no one else. They may only get 15-17 recruits, but all of them will be complete studs that we all would want.

 

[Irish YJ]

I hate USC, but what Stiffin is doing is nothing short of amazing. F*****

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Wait a minute. Who said he is doing it. Usually they like to keep a few people between the coach and bagman. Plausable deniability. And I can't see him handling the women and the booze, either.

 

[NDPhilly]

Khalil Rodgers just committed.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

USC is ranked 10th in class on 247 now.

 

[IrishLax]

Khalil Rodgers just committed.

Their worst recruit by a longshot, IMO. He's a bunch of big and not much else.

Also, to play contrarion, I think Max Browne is at best the 4th best QB in this class and nowhere near a Barkley/5 level. It'll be fun to look back on this statement in 3-4 years.

 

[Irish YJ]

Wait a minute. Who said he is doing it. Usually they like to keep a few people between the coach and bagman. Plausable deniability. And I can't see him handling the women and the booze, either.

True, very true. I'd love to handle his wife though.

 

[Irish YJ]

Finally... a 3 star

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Also, to play contrarion, I think Max Browne is at best the 4th best QB in this class and nowhere near a Barkley/5 level. It'll be fun to look back on this statement in 3-4 years.

Thank you for jinxing us, Lax. I'll know who to curse when he's accepting his Heisman.

 

[STLDomer]

Nico Falah is expected to choose USC tonight

 

[Classic Irish]

Wait a minute. Who said he is doing it. Usually they like to keep a few people between the coach and bagman. Plausable deniability. And I can't see him handling the women and the booze, either.

Exactly. The recruits they're getting in this class makes it even harder for me to believe that Kiffen and Orgeron suddenly "found religion."

 

[NDinL.A.]

Wait a minute. Who said he is doing it. Usually they like to keep a few people between the coach and bagman. Plausable deniability. And I can't see him handling the women and the booze, either.

Exactly. The recruits they're getting in this class makes it even harder for me to believe that Kiffen and Orgeron suddenly "found religion."

I hate USC more than anyone, but these sound like weak-*** excuses given by ND fans for years. I'm not buying this at all. You know how easy it is to recruit to USC? Location, weather, women, women, tradition, academics (yes, they sell that, and the education given is great for non-athletes), WINNING, etc. I mean, it's not a hard sell, and Ed O is as good a recruiter as you'll find. And while he'll do anything to get his guys into school (just read Meat Market or The Blind Side), they don't need to pay off recruits to get them there. And Haden won't let them anyways.

What USC is doing is quite simple. They're selling all I wrote, plus the fact that there are only a limited amount of schollies, and if they want one they better jump on it. They're telling them, join now, or risk losing spot. And all of these are elite players. Oh, and several of these guys grew up as huge USC fans, bc when they were young USC was winning at an unprescedented rate. So for them, it was a no-brainer.

I don't know, I guess for me, I'm not going to hate on a guy that's doing really well at something. And like it or not, kiffy-boy and co are really good recruiters, and they are recruiting to an easy school to recruit to. We'll see how they do w a lack of depth (they did horribly 2 yrs ago), and we'll see how they do post-Barkley. I'm not sold on his coaching, but totally sold on his recruiting...

 

[ACamp1900]

Fair enough NDinLA.... but if that's the case then why did Petey run the wild west through that program and nearly land them the death penalty if it's so easy to win without doing so??? Greek Resturants, women, drugs, multiple athletes riding in fancy cars, the whole Bush thing... and that's just football.

They didn't get hit for being clean and simply selling a great program/locale/etc... Then they go out and hire Lane Kiffin of all freakin people??????.... so they cold clean things up???

idk... I don't see a school that values what they claim to value... and with their current situation it is simply amazing how anyone they go hard after with their limited numbers they now seem to get... IMO no one is that freakin good.

I like to point out the homerism and excuses when possible and think I have a track record here of doing so... just thought I'd put this all out there. Honestly, I guess I'm kind of in the middle here... idk about hookers and such... but that program is still not close to the up and up... no way.

 

[ACamp1900]

also, 'Barkley' is French for 'pansey.'

that is all.

 

[AdmiralBackhand]

Now #5 on 247. Crazy.

 

[Irish YJ]

Thinking Petey had the keys to the kingdom. I don't think Kiffy does. Not saying he is close to up and up, but he's under much heavier scrutiny. I'm a UT fan so long as they are not playing ND, with friends close to the UT program. I've heard stuff that confirms he'll always be a sleeze ball no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig.

 

[ACamp1900]

Thinking Petey had the keys to the kingdom. I don't think Kiffy does. Not saying he is close to up and up, but he's under much heavier scrutiny. I'm a UT fan so long as they are not playing ND, with friends close to the UT program. I've heard stuff that confirms he'll always be a sleeze ball no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig.

A UT/ND fan... do you beat yourself at night??? lol

I have found Vol fans HATE Notre Dame... far more than usual bases... is that what you find from your Vol fan buddies??

 

[Classic Irish]

I hate USC more than anyone, but these sound like weak-*** excuses given by ND fans for years. I'm not buying this at all. You know how easy it is to recruit to USC? Location, weather, women, women, tradition, academics (yes, they sell that, and the education given is great for non-athletes), WINNING, etc. I mean, it's not a hard sell, and Ed O is as good a recruiter as you'll find. And while he'll do anything to get his guys into school (just read Meat Market or The Blind Side), they don't need to pay off recruits to get them there. And Haden won't let them anyways.

What USC is doing is quite simple. They're selling all I wrote, plus the fact that there are only a limited amount of schollies, and if they want one they better jump on it. They're telling them, join now, or risk losing spot. And all of these are elite players. Oh, and several of these guys grew up as huge USC fans, bc when they were young USC was winning at an unprescedented rate. So for them, it was a no-brainer.

I don't know, I guess for me, I'm not going to hate on a guy that's doing really well at something. And like it or not, kiffy-boy and co are really good recruiters, and they are recruiting to an easy school to recruit to. We'll see how they do w a lack of depth (they did horribly 2 yrs ago), and we'll see how they do post-Barkley. I'm not sold on his coaching, but totally sold on his recruiting...

I respectfully disagree. I grew up an ND fan in southern California in the 1970s and 1980s. I understand some of the points you're making but location is not one of them. The school is in a terrible neighborhood. As for tradition: their tradition is that of being one of the most sanctioned teams in the NCAA. And, yes, I do wonder about some of the enticements they use to lure players in addition to the ones you mentioned. Maybe that's the reason why Kiffen and Orgeron are such good recruiters. The program has for many years been a cesspool when it comes to playing by the rules. If you look at their history for the past 40 years, whenever they're good, they go on probation shortly thereafter.

As I mentioned above, I find it difficult to believe that, given his past, Kiffen has suddenly "found religion." Perhaps, but I doubt it. Sour grapes on my part? Maybe. Or maybe those who think Kifffen and Co have suddenly acquired a moral compass are somewhat naive.

Of course, I'm sure we can both agree on the bottom line: ND needs to beat them regardless of what they may or may not be doing.

 

[Classic Irish]

and with their current situation it is simply amazing how anyone they go hard after with their limited numbers they now seem to get... IMO no one is that freakin good.

This. It only invites speculation about their tactics, doesn't it?

I know some say that Kiffen has too much to risk if he gets caught. Would it surprise anyone if he is simply using the southern cal job as a springboard to another NFL head coaching gig? If he lands in the NFL at the expense of the southern cal football program, I don't think he'd care one bit.

 

[ACamp1900]

If he lands in the NFL at the expense of the southern cal football program, I don't think he'd care one bit.

Lets all hope so...

 

[Junkhead]

Greek Resturants, women, drugs, multiple athletes riding in fancy cars, the whole Bush thing... and that's just football.

Greek restaurants? Is that what 5 star recruits want? I'll open "Jimmy the Greek Restaurant" here if that's what it takes....

 

[NDinL.A.]

Chi and acamp...no doubt USC is one of the dirtiest programs in history. And inwouldnt doubt for a second that they are skirting the rules (almost everyone does). My whole thing is the whole 'bagman' theory being thrown around, as if USC is paying these guys to go. They just don't need to do tact IMO, and they can't cause Haden is running a much tighter ship in that sense. And believe it or not, my friend who works for Haden says kiffy is waaaaayyy different than the guy she knew at his previous stint at USC. Not saying he's a saint, but w Haden and the entire world looking at him, he might just be playing closer to the rules now.

As for location, they don't sell south central , they sell L.A. They sell the beaches, Beverly hills, Hollywood, etc. they have a great recruiting weekend strategy. They start by taking the recruits and their families to the top of one of the buildings at LA Live, overlooking the city, and it's a BEAUTIFUL site. Impresses everyone. And from there they're off.

Look, I HATE backing them up, and they have a long history of cheating. I just think in this case, these guys are really good at what they do, and I'm not gonna automatically assume they're paying players bc their recruiting class is loaded.

 

[ACamp1900]

Greek restaurants? Is that what 5 star recruits want? I'll open "Jimmy the Greek Restaurant" here if that's what it takes....

There was a ton of smoke coming from a family joint owned by alums.... Goes back to the Palmer days

 

[gkIrish]

Careful with the Greek jokes everyone. Me no likey

 

[ACamp1900]

Careful with the Greek jokes everyone. Me no likey

Lol no joke it was a Greek spot

 

[BGIF]

Prep Blog: Placer football star Eddie Vanderdoes commits to USC

By Joe Davidson
July 11, 2012

Placer football star Eddie Vanderdoes commits to USC

After several weeks of consideration, Eddie Vanderdoes trusted his instincts and went with the school that he said "just really fits me perfectly."
It's USC.

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[BGIF]

Nico Falah Commits To USC Over UCLA: Trojans Land California Lineman - SBNation.com

By Bud Elliott - College Football Recruiting Editor and Analyst

California offensive tackle recruit Nico Falah stays home and will attend USC.

Jul 11, 2012 - Nico Falah, a top offensive line recruit, committed to the USC Trojans on Wednesday night. Falah stars for St. John Bosco High School in Bellflower, Calif. He is a consensus four-star recruit and rates as the 25th-best lineman nationally, according to a composite of the four major recruiting services. Falah chose USC over the Oregon Ducks and UCLA Bruins, among other top BCS offers.

Falah has a very good frame at 6-foot-5 and 270 pounds, and the length coaches covet at the tackle position.

Falah primarily uses his quickness to overwhelm opponents in the run game. He can slide to pick up defenders a gap away. Falah also climbs well to the second level, showing awareness and taking good angles to cut off linebackers.

Like the vast majority of offensive line recruits, Falah will need a year or two of development before being able to perform against the top BCS competition faced by USC.

Falah is the 13th commitment of USC's 2013 recruiting class. Due to limited scholarships -- the Trojans have either 15 or 18, depending on interpretation -- the class is almost complete.