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You think SU has more talent from top to bottom than ND? I’m not saying ND will win the only team they looked to be inferior to on paper was OSU. When they actually played the games, another result ensued due to myriad of things.
Syracuse appears to have one guy who was a four-star recruit on their entire roster (Shrader). We are undoubtedly, on paper, the better team.

Games are not played on paper, of course. But if we play as we did against UNC and BYU we can and should win. They’re just Syracuse.
 

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Yep. Pyne is doing the best he can he’s just not equipped for this job. It’s funny because basically the same was true of Tommy Rees a decade ago.
Pyne is capable or at least should be like any other QB we have on this roster to throw a 25 yard pass to an open target. He has missed many and that has been one of the reasons we are 4-3 and not 5-2. He has had enough time a decent running game and multiple receivers who have been open. If Pyne okayed up to his limited potential we are easily 5-2 and maybe he helps us beat Marshall. I have to pray that Buchner can stay healthy and that he is a huge upgrade from Pyne at least the Pyne that played yesterday and the first half against Cal.
 

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You think SU has more talent from top to bottom than ND? I’m not saying ND will win the only team they looked to be inferior to on paper was OSU. When they actually played the games, another result ensued due to myriad of things.


Overall, no. At the most important position...
 

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Overall, no. At the most important position...
That’s my thoughts too. But in football, QB is key. It makes me wonder about the Tenn transfer, Harrison Bailey; who split duties at UNLV yesterday. I bet he’d even be more successful than Pyne behind that ND OL. Can you imagine Tanner McKee?
 

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Syracuse appears to have one guy who was a four-star recruit on their entire roster (Shrader). We are undoubtedly, on paper, the better team.

Games are not played on paper, of course. But if we play as we did against UNC and BYU we can and should win. They’re just Syracuse.
Right. And they’re just Navy & they’re just BC but you can’t convince me that those are automatic wins. I’d be shocked at 7-5. Relieved at 6-6 although the bowl loss guarantees a losing season. Not surprised whatsoever if they end up 5-7 or 4-8.
 

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First off if your gonna belittle the guy spell is name right it’s MAYER. Second if you hate the team so much then stop watching them. Third bringing negativity to a team that is struggle is childish. And last but not least these kids are HUMANS and not robots, if they were robots then we would be 6-1.
I should apologize as having read thru most of the last days posts I am singularly the only one bringing down this team with my harsh comments. I don’t watch the games live in order to save myself the aggravation and my comments definitely do get caustic. It’s hard to watch this team compete down to their competition. Much of this is on the players and I wish they could make Freeman look like a hero but despite how much the love him they are making his life a living hell. Tommy is not helping him either but a few plays or calls here and there and we are 6-1. I think I noted that MM was “Great” in my comments. Have not watched the Marshall and Stanford or Ok St game because I would be disgusted. I get enough insight on this board.
 

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That’s my thoughts too. But in football, QB is key. It makes me wonder about the Tenn transfer, Harrison Bailey; who split duties at UNLV yesterday. I bet he’d even be more successful than Pyne behind that ND OL. Can you imagine Tanner McKee?

I've seen a lot of folks saying "We need an elite QB..." No we don't! We need someone who doesn't stink in every possible way!

In the future, yes, it would be nice if we had an elite QB. But this year would suck a whole lot less with an average one. ND is 6-1 with Tanner McKee, no question about it.
 
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Right. And they’re just Navy & they’re just BC but you can’t convince me that those are automatic wins. I’d be shocked at 7-5. Relieved at 6-6 although the bowl loss guarantees a losing season. Not surprised whatsoever if they end up 5-7 or 4-8.
No I don't think anything is automatic. I've watched this team for seven games now. But some people are acting like we're going to get routed and, well, I suppose we might, but end of the day they're just Syracuse. There probably aren't five guys on that team who would start on ours.
 

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A lot of talk on the board about the QB/getting a QB transfer. If Jack Coan had another year left I would've kept him (I don't care if Buchner or Pyne would've transferred). The Buchner injury happened at a bad time in the season. As far as starting Angeli over Pyne I would've pulled Pyne out last week vs. Stanford. Pyne looked good vs UNC and BYU and Cal was his first start after the Buchner injur
No I don't think anything is automatic. I've watched this team for seven games now. But some people are acting like we're going to get routed and, well, I suppose we might, but end of the day they're just Syracuse. There probably aren't five guys on that team who would start on ours.
The quarterback would.
 

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A young man I know who played backup DB thru 2018 stopped by today and we chatted ND football. He noted while we need work we do have the players but are missing even an average CFB QB. With nothing more than an average QB we are easily 6-1. I think this year will mark the turn of years of average QB results at ND. Brady Quinn was the last QB that can have that title. None since. Book was good but is in the record books because of what he had around him and being there at least 4 seasons. Same story as Kelly being a good coach but not a great one. Longevity was his reason for setting records.

Hope we get a good disenchanted QB next year. Looking back at Coan he was darn good.
 

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No I don't think anything is automatic. I've watched this team for seven games now. But some people are acting like we're going to get routed and, well, I suppose we might, but end of the day they're just Syracuse. There probably aren't five guys on that team who would start on ours.
ND seems to okay to the level of their competition and everyone gets sky high to play us. That’s a tough one especially when there’s nothing to be intimidated by like playing Bama or GA.

The silver lining in every game we have played under Freeman we were literally one play away from victory.

Missed FG against Ok St
Two plays against Ohio State
Pick 6 against Marshall
Didn’t kick a FG against Stanford

Not getting blown out does mean something. While it doesn’t help us in the W-L column it shows we belong and like many of Kelly’s losses in big games we are one player away from being a top 5 team. That player is QB and Freeman needs to go all in on making a magical sure fire pick up. So many good players (QBs) rarely saw their full potential under Kelly. Ian Book and Tommy Rees did but those were some low ceilings. It’s like a murderers row or unrealized greatness. Crist, Golson, Kiel, Jurkovic, Wimbush. Did I miss anyone? Don’t say Sharpley!
 

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A young man I know who played backup DB thru 2018 stopped by today and we chatted ND football. He noted while we need work we do have the players but are missing even an average CFB QB. With nothing more than an average QB we are easily 6-1. I think this year will mark the turn of years of average QB results at ND. Brady Quinn was the last QB that can have that title. None since. Book was good but is in the record books because of what he had around him and being there at least 4 seasons. Same story as Kelly being a good coach but not a great one. Longevity was his reason for setting records.

Hope we get a good disenchanted QB next year. Looking back at Coan he was darn good.
Clausen too.....and Book. Coan last year was good too IMO
 

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Syracuse appears to have one guy who was a four-star recruit on their entire roster (Shrader). We are undoubtedly, on paper, the better team.

Games are not played on paper, of course. But if we play as we did against UNC and BYU we can and should win. They’re just Syracuse.

Put Shrader on this team and we’re looking at a playoff run.
 

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ND seems to okay to the level of their competition and everyone gets sky high to play us. That’s a tough one especially when there’s nothing to be intimidated by like playing Bama or GA.

The silver lining in every game we have played under Freeman we were literally one play away from victory.

Missed FG against Ok St
Two plays against Ohio State
Pick 6 against Marshall
Didn’t kick a FG against Stanford

Not getting blown out does mean something. While it doesn’t help us in the W-L column it shows we belong and like many of Kelly’s losses in big games we are one player away from being a top 5 team. That player is QB and Freeman needs to go all in on making a magical sure fire pick up. So many good players (QBs) rarely saw their full potential under Kelly. Ian Book and Tommy Rees did but those were some low ceilings. It’s like a murderers row or unrealized greatness. Crist, Golson, Kiel, Jurkovic, Wimbush. Did I miss anyone? Don’t say Sharpley!
Zaire. Before he got hurt, Malik was the whole package. And with the weapons on that 2015 team?
 

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Pyne hurt, Angeli comes in and the TE takes the snap should tell you how the staff feels about Angeli at this time. I was ready for the wildcat if Pyne was going to be out longer.

Pyne needs to bring down those down the middle red zone throws. He's been sailing them over their heads for a while now.
 

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Watching the way Reid/Bienemy use Kelce to set up plays for the WR is how I'd like to see Tommy use Mayer. Use the KC Chiefs offensive model.

Now if you can replicate that Mahomes dude...
 

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Didn't watch the game. I refuse to give in to this subscription, pay per view BS that ND is pulling with Peacock.

From the sounds of post-game breakdowns and this thread, I didn't miss much. Sigh.
 

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I think that wish will be granted sooner or later. On paper, ND should beat SU, Navy & BC. I won’t be shocked if they only win one of those and finish 5-7.
Given that we have managed to lose against Marshall and Stanford, I wouldn’t be shocked if we lost all three of those games and go 4-8. Either way, the bright side is that we won’t get embarrassed once again in yet another bowl game.
 

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Pyne hurt, Angeli comes in and the TE takes the snap should tell you how the staff feels about Angeli at this time. I was ready for the wildcat if Pyne was going to be out longer.

Pyne needs to bring down those down the middle red zone throws. He's been sailing them over their heads for a while now.
It's the only way he can get the ball over his own line.
The booth refusing to review the hit on Pyne was criminal. I'm not a fan of the rule but that was textbook.
I thought I read that they did take a look and (SOMEHOW) determined it wasn't targeting. Complete BS either way...
 

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he seemed to play in favor of Styles as well.

I know there is a lot of disdain for Lenzy on here but he does a lot of the little things really well (as a senior should).

I watched him combo block out of a bunch formation side by side with the TEs and Tackle that sprung some decent runs down the stretch of the game.

It was good to see a few more designed runs for him and hes certainly not getting much help from the passer on things. Hoping he has a deserving big game here soon.
 

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1. Tommy Rees is the king of killing momentum. After both punt blocks, he worked as hard as he could to prevent his own offense from taking advantage of the momentum. You either get downhill after the sudden change and run them over, or you dial up a shot play and then settle if it doesn't work out. Instead, he got too cute. He was saved by a nice Pyne-to-Mayer connection after the first sudden change, but the team settled for a field goal after 3 uninspiring play calls after the second. I understand *why* Tommy is struggling to find a rhythm as a playcaller right now... but Freeman needs to tell him to figure it out and Do His F*cking Job anyway.

2. I almost threw my remote at my TV when I realized they had been given the perfect opportunity to audition Angeli, but instead opted for the TE sneak (which was cool! It's the new hotness in the NFL, which means it won't be effective after another week or two), and then brought Pyne back in. Even if Pyne isn't hurt, you've got a two-score lead on an opponent that you are clearly handling, so give the young guy a chance. If Pyne legitimately goes down, the team is screwed... WHY WOULD YOU NOT LET ANGELI SPIN IT FOR AT LEAST ONE DRIVE???

3. Bertrand had a nice game, but he's also got Joe Schmidt disease: Knows exactly where he needs to be, and gets there exactly two steps too late. Major props for his hustle to track down the RB on UNLV's early long run... that was all hustle, and is exactly why he's a captain. I get that. But they need to keep spelling him with Kollie if he isn't going to capitalize more often with his play recognition skills.

4. Brian Mason is him

5. Grupe and Sot for co-team MVP??

6. Love seeing Foskey make plays on special teams. Love even more that it seemed to get his pass rush boosted. He was noticeable in collapsing the pocket several times over the second half of the game. Hopefully it gets him jump started the rest of the year.

7. Estime with maybe the worst self-jinx of ALL TIME. Four weeks after telling the media that he has never fumbled as a football player, he's got three lost fumbles. Just unbelievable levels of weird shit you only see when rooting for ND.

8. Styles is having confidence issues, on top of being frustrated with the offense's struggles to involve anyone other than Mayer consistently. Chansi needs to earn his money in helping Styles through it.

9. Michael Mayer should win the Heisman. Everyone knows it's going to him, and he's still open both (1) off the line and then (2) after the first break in his route. He'd be on his way to a 20-TD season with competent QB play and OC playcalling. It sounds ridiculous, but I'll die on that hill. He should've had four TD's against UNLV alone based on physical mismatches, but instead were just running him on hitch or whip routes that the defense can sit down on.

10. Morrison and Mickey are both going to be very good. In two years, [ND DC] is going to be able to build his whole defense around knowing he's got two guys he can put on an island and not worry too much. In the first few games, it was Mickey being in perfect position and simply not having quite enough seasoning to know when to jump and/or rake through the WR's hands. That will come with reps. With Morrison, it's not having enough confidence to turn and find the ball even though he is right in the WR's hip pocket, perfectly positioned to make a play. That will also come with reps. They will both figure their shit out. Hopefully we find some safeties to put behind them.
 

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he seemed to play in favor of Styles as well.

I know there is a lot of disdain for Lenzy on here but he does a lot of the little things really well (as a senior should).

I watched him combo block out of a bunch formation side by side with the TEs and Tackle that sprung some decent runs down the stretch of the game.

It was good to see a few more designed runs for him and hes certainly not getting much help from the passer on things. Hoping he has a deserving big game here soon.
I’m starting to change my opinion on Lenzy. If he had a QB that could deliver accurate passes, we would all have a different view of Lenzy & ND would be 6-1. That’s not just on Pyne either as Buchner missed him on a wide open route before halftime of the Marshall game. If Tyler connects w/ him, Lenzy likely takes it to the house & the entire game flips. Since Pyne was thrust into action, I‘ve lost count on how many times Pyne has missed Lenzy on wide open routes. The Styles drops are way too high for seven games into his second season as well.
 

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I should apologize as having read thru most of the last days posts I am singularly the only one bringing down this team with my harsh comments. I don’t watch the games live in order to save myself the aggravation and my comments definitely do get caustic. It’s hard to watch this team compete down to their competition. Much of this is on the players and I wish they could make Freeman look like a hero but despite how much the love him they are making his life a living hell. Tommy is not helping him either but a few plays or calls here and there and we are 6-1. I think I noted that MM was “Great” in my comments. Have not watched the Marshall and Stanford or Ok St game because I would be disgusted. I get enough insight on this board.
I never said you were the only one it was just a post that caught my eye. I know there are plenty of posters that are harsh and some of it is warranted.

I kinda agree with Tommy not making the right calls especially when it’s like 2 yards or shorter to get a first down it seems like he has no play to get those easy yards. But to defend Tommy he is scheming plays to get the WRs open it’s just that Pyne just can’t hit them.

I kinda feel bad for Pyne cause I’m sure he knows he has limited skills and he is doing the best he can but it comes down to recruiting and developing and that’s on Rees and he is failing there.
 
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