UFOs, Paranormal, Pseudoscience Thread

[Giddyup]

Worst case scenario:
Dirty Bomb false flag incoming....blamed on Russia, Iran or China. Orwellian Crack down on Civil liberties to follow

Hopefully not in Wisconsin. NJ would be fine

 

[FU BK]

As expected, guy at work not happy that drones invaded fort wayne at 530 this morning. Don't think he's gonna talk to me about them anymore.

 

[Irish#1]

This article pretty much says it's the government without saying it's the government.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/15/us/drone-sightings-east-coast/index.html

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

@Old Man Mike what are thoughts on this Israeli disclosure. It’s a few minutes into this video

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Hmmmm interesting theory.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Can't honestly say anything about that. The guy gives no evidence. He's had five years. He was promoting his pretty-far-out-there book at the time. Other people who have occupied high places have been crazy, or at least believed extremely strange and wrong things. Some others just don't give a shit. Guy's a Brig-general; probably retired as a colonel and got the retirement bump. Many not-very-"military" people get colonel ratings if they're appointed to high positions in programs due to academics or skill. Not impressed with "rank."

When things like this show up, and I don't care who is spewing them, I wait for something solid --- actual documents and data. I have TONS of that for UFO presence. I have zero doubts about that. I have NO evidence for this guy's claims. ... I'll wait and not lose sleep.

 

[LOVEMYIRISH]

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100% this
I've seen a ton of pictures of these "drones" and its ridiculous. People just started looking up I guess

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Found in SC.

 

[IrishLion]

Are they close to an airport, or is that military aircraft conveniently flying overhead lol

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Are they close to an airport, or is that military aircraft conveniently flying overhead lol

It’s roughly the size of the ones being seen in NJ (6’ long 13’ wide). We have Shaw AFB just outside of Columbia. Not sure where this happened yet but it looks like midland pine forests which would put in the general vicinity of Shaw. Or at least reasonably close. That jet sound is possibly a F16. They fly out of Shaw all the time but they run routes up and down the coast where I’m at as well. It’s not very far for them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Ukraine drones delivering thermite to the Russian counterparts. What would USA drones be capable of delivering?

 

[Old Man Mike]

Drones can "deliver" whatever their lifting capacity is. What's the issue? Hell, you can call an automated helicopter a drone. "Buzzbombs" in WWII England were called drones.

A drone is just a drivable package carrier. They come in all sizes. Packages can be bombs or pizzas.

Where's the mystery in this?

 

[arahop]

Read Diana Pulsaka's two books
American Cosmic
&
Encounters

She's one of the best religious studies professors in the country. Kudos to her for spotting the patterns.
Her UFOs, AI, and Religion course is unbelievable. Jacques Vallee even came in on a Zoom call and Gary Nolan. Loads of people who are passed is there NHI.
Spoiler. Yes and they've always been here. Probably even before us

I'm convinced this where the next breakthrough is.

We"ve always wondered if we were alone, fact is, we've never been alone😉

 

[Redbar]

Read Diana Pulsaka's two books
American Cosmic
&
Encounters

She's one of the best religious studies professors in the country. Kudos to her for spotting the patterns.
Her UFOs, AI, and Religion course is unbelievable. Jacques Vallee even came in on a Zoom call and Gary Nolan. Loads of people who are passed is there NHI.
Spoiler. Yes and they've always been here. Probably even before us

I'm convinced this where the next breakthrough is.

We"ve always wondered if we were alone, fact is, we've never been alone😉

Read her last book and started checking out her online presence. Very compelling point of view. A serious researcher examining the question through the prism of her scholarshi.

 

[IrishLion]

Is she the one that believes crash retrievals are often “donations” for our benefit?

 

[IrishWayDomer]

Read Diana Pulsaka's two books
American Cosmic
&
Encounters

She's one of the best religious studies professors in the country. Kudos to her for spotting the patterns.
Her UFOs, AI, and Religion course is unbelievable. Jacques Vallee even came in on a Zoom call and Gary Nolan. Loads of people who are passed is there NHI.
Spoiler. Yes and they've always been here. Probably even before us

I'm convinced this where the next breakthrough is.

We"ve always wondered if we were alone, fact is, we've never been alone😉

Haven't read her books but heard her on a podcast recently and thought it was fascinating.

 

[arahop]

Is she the one that believes crash retrievals are often “donations” for our benefit?

Is she the one that believes crash retrievals are often “donations” for our benefit?

Definitely one of the theories, I believe our military has been able to disable some and recover, research Starfish Prime. I think multiple avenues can be true

 

[arahop]

One of the most interesting parts of American Cosmic and Encounters

"Tyler Durden" aka Tom Taylor

 

[SDIrishFan]

I couldn’t find a better place to put this, but I caught this video today of what I’m almost certain is the new B21 bomber.

Anyone who loves military aircraft should be geeking.

 

[arahop]

I couldn’t find a better place to put this, but I caught this video today of what I’m almost certain is the new B21 bomber.

Anyone who loves military aircraft should be geeking.

Cool stuff!.
Noe let me show you what the aliens brought us

 

[Bishop2b5]

I couldn’t find a better place to put this, but I caught this video today of what I’m almost certain is the new B21 bomber.

Anyone who loves military aircraft should be geeking.

What makes you think it's the new B-21?

 

[SDIrishFan]

What makes you think it's the new B-21?

A couple reasons. I could see it better with the naked eye than I could with my phone. The wing shape is distinct as it relates to the B2 and it's what it looked like.

Also, I live about an hour from where the B21's will be stationed. There's a handful of them doing test flights. I wouldn't be shocked if some of those are being done out of Ellsworth as they ready for them.

 

[Irish#1]

Cool stuff!.
Noe let me show you what the aliens brought us

That looks like it could be a B-21.

 

[Bishop2b5]

A couple reasons. I could see it better with the naked eye than I could with my phone. The wing shape is distinct as it relates to the B2 and it's what it looked like.

Also, I live about an hour from where the B21's will be stationed. There's a handful of them doing test flights. I wouldn't be shocked if some of those are being done out of Ellsworth as they ready for them.

Very cool, thanks. I'd forgotten you live in that area. I lived about an hour from Ellsworth too for several years. I always loved seeing the B-1s.

 

[SDIrishFan]

Very cool, thanks. I'd forgotten you live in that area. I lived about an hour from Ellsworth too for several years. I always loved seeing the B-1s.

Super amazing planes. Have always loved military aircraft.

Went to an airshow there a couple years back and they had the F22 demo team. That plane did things I didn't think were even possible and still be able to stay in the air.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Agreed as to our amazing new planes.

They are still nowhere close to the measured flight characteristics of several of the military's anomalous encounters of recent years.

If we're intellectually honest, we should not forget that. The mystery "non-inertial-movement" high altitude flyers have been measured by the best observers the military science community has had, since the early 1950s. At the USAF Project BlueBook and at the Center for UFO Studies, we have the testimony of the General Mills high altitude balloon scientists and engineers (I've read and listened to all of that) which recount the most astounding maneuvering around the research balloon test flights. Many times these observations were visual from both ground and air, and through theodolites. (The objects were ovals, generally white in color, and literally flying rings around the research balloons. They were large-ish, but smaller than the huge inflated upper atmosphere flying balloons.) Those scientists had zero doubts about the anomalous character of the observed vehicles and neither did Captain Ruppelt at Blue Book.

So why didn't this break more waves, the objection says. Well, that's what my and Robert Powell's book (UFOs and Government) explains in 600 pages. (not light reading --- all via government released documents.) Objectors don't want to believe the following but: The Air Force decided pretty early on that whatever/whoever this was, they didn't seem to be interfering significantly in our affairs, and there wasn't anything we could do about them anyway. So the decision was: We have much bigger pressing concerns with a nuke-on-missiles ICBM waving Soviet Union, and everything we have needs to be directed at that (Curtis Lemay's policy demand --- he went on to say that anyone who put money or personnel into anything other than anti-USSR production should be shot. ... only in the smallest way joking.) As to the UFOs? Just try to monitor them to see if they get hostile, and hope they don't ... and keep the over-lurking potential threat out of the dreams and nightmares of the public. ........ and that's exactly what they did, and they're still watching and covering today.

 

[NDRock]

Agreed as to our amazing new planes.

They are still nowhere close to the measured flight characteristics of several of the military's anomalous encounters of recent years.

If we're intellectually honest, we should not forget that. The mystery "non-inertial-movement" high altitude flyers have been measured by the best observers the military science community has had, since the early 1950s. At the USAF Project BlueBook and at the Center for UFO Studies, we have the testimony of the General Mills high altitude balloon scientists and engineers (I've read and listened to all of that) which recount the most astounding maneuvering around the research balloon test flights. Many times these observations were visual from both ground and air, and through theodolites. (The objects were ovals, generally white in color, and literally flying rings around the research balloons. They were large-ish, but smaller than the huge inflated upper atmosphere flying balloons.) Those scientists had zero doubts about the anomalous character of the observed vehicles and neither did Captain Ruppelt at Blue Book.

So why didn't this break more waves, the objection says. Well, that's what my and Robert Powell's book (UFOs and Government) explains in 600 pages. (not light reading --- all via government released documents.) Objectors don't want to believe the following but: The Air Force decided pretty early on that whatever/whoever this was, they didn't seem to be interfering significantly in our affairs, and there wasn't anything we could do about them anyway. So the decision was: We have much bigger pressing concerns with a nuke-on-missiles ICBM waving Soviet Union, and everything we have needs to be directed at that (Curtis Lemay's policy demand --- he went on to say that anyone who put money or personnel into anything other than anti-USSR production should be shot. ... only in the smallest way joking.) As to the UFOs? Just try to monitor them to see if they get hostile, and hope they don't ... and keep the over-lurking potential threat out of the dreams and nightmares of the public. ........ and that's exactly what they did, and they're still watching and covering today.

Any intelligence on what other nations, like the Soviet Union, have to say on the matter? I’m sure they have also observed the same and it’s probably in your book. Just curious.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My book covers several other nations' positions as well --- France (very progressive and wise on this ---> a formal NASA like investigative system with results given out and universities involved. I've interacted with several of the guys involved), Spain, Sweden, Brazil, Canada, a bit of the UKs efforts, Australia. We were limited to those places where we could get actual governmental documents not just civilian hearsay claims.

For Spain, Sweden, and Australia, we had friends there who had connected well with their militaries and had been given access to the records, so I asked those fellows to write the book's chapters on those countries programs. Robert wrote a section on the French program, although the actual Director of that program is a friend of mine (but his English isn't the greatest), and I wrote the materials about early Brazilian efforts, since those materials were old historical pieces and that government shut it down thereafter and into silence mode.Most countries had only rudimentary projects and seemed happy to take their leads from the USAF.

There was one USSR document leaked, and I wrote that one up. One of their top SETI scientists collected the data mainly from a 1960s UFO wave in southern Russia. He was quite amazed. Named Gindilis, if anyone doubts me. His monograph is online at the Center for UFO Studies website (sorry but I have decades of knowing that scared morons will grab at anything to disbelieve facts in this field.)

EVERY other country that can be researched properly has come to the same conclusions IN THEIR DOCUMENTS that the US has: UFO s are around; they outclass our tech's flight characteristics greatly; they're not "ours" therefore; they are, almost obviously, maneuverable technology (that is, not some "natural unknown phenomenon"); and they're not particularly aggressive.

 

[NDRock]

Thanks, OMM. Good stuff!