Trump Presidency

[dublinirish]

Maybe he built camps to “solve” the problem you are describing instead of just returning the kids to their parents and admitting the policy was a disaster. .

couldn't even manage that properly

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54636223

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

There are differences, no doubt. But none of those differences prevents an internment camp from being an internment camp. February is shorter than January but they are both still months. Internment is the state of being confined as a prisoner, especially for political or military reasons. Whether you “accept” it or not, words mean things. He built internment camps.

This is completely misleading. You're trying to paint Trump like Hitler opening up prison camps for people he doesn't like.

The truth is 40 new detention facilities have been opened since 2017, and about 80% are run by private firms. Was that done for Trump's amusement? No. It was done to try and handle the thousands that try to enter the US every day, some of those being children unaccompanied by adults or parents.

In the year 2000, the US had a daily average of 20,000 people held in "internment camps" and by the end of Obama's term that number ballooned to 40,000. That's why presidents (D and R) are forced to open more detention centers, unless you'd like to open your doors and start housing people.

You'll be disappointed to learn that the Obama admin actually opened a huge detention center in Arizona (2014) that was an abandoned warehouse. So the narrative really should read, "Obama built detention centers to house migrants and Trump built more because more people keep coming and there's no better alternative."

 

[GoIrish41]

This is completely misleading. You're trying to paint Trump like Hitler opening up prison camps for people he doesn't like.

The truth is 40 new detention facilities have been opened since 2017, and about 80% are run by private firms. Was that done for Trump's amusement? No. It was done to try and handle the thousands that try to enter the US every day, some of those being children unaccompanied by adults or parents.

In the year 2000, the US had a daily average of 20,000 people held in "internment camps" and by the end of Obama's term that number ballooned to 40,000. That's why presidents (D and R) are forced to open more detention centers, unless you'd like to open your doors and start housing people.

You'll be disappointed to learn that the Obama admin actually opened a huge detention center in Arizona (2014) that was an abandoned warehouse. So the narrative really should read, "Obama built detention centers to house migrants and Trump built more because more people keep coming and there's no better alternative."

1. Now you’re getting it!

2. Before he became president there was a policy to end private prisons. Trump did his billionaire prison industry buddies a solid and changed that. At least some of these facilities were used as internment camps.

3. Nobody suggested Obama never authorized a detention center. I’m saying Trump built internment camps. You are conflating a temporary holding facility used to house unaccompanied children to one in which innocent refugee children have been incarcerated for 2 or 3 years after being taken from their parents. Even you aren’t that obtuse.

 

[BilboBaggins]

You say it like that's a bad thing?

Yeah

 

[Irish#1]

Polish Leppy: It's a mortuary!

GoIrish41: No, it's a funeral home!

Carry on.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

1. Now you’re getting it!

2. Before he became president there was a policy to end private prisons. Trump did his billionaire prison industry buddies a solid and changed that. At least some of these facilities were used as internment camps.

3. Nobody suggested Obama never authorized a detention center. I’m saying Trump built internment camps. You are conflating a temporary holding facility used to house unaccompanied children to one in which innocent refugee children have been incarcerated for 2 or 3 years after being taken from their parents. Even you aren’t that obtuse.

Who in the prison industry is Trump buddies with? And did it ever dawn on you that ICE/ DHS doesn't have the manpower to staff all these facilities, which is why they were outsourced?

If these children show up at our border with no parents, the blame belongs on someone from their home country, not on ICE or POTUS. I guess we should clarify if we're talking about migrants showing up at our border or illegal aliens living in the US who are being deported. Those are two different scenarios.

Your case for this is weaker than your grip on reality.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/02/politics/migrant-children-facility-immigration/index.html

On a scale of 1 to 10, how outraged are you here?

The Biden administration is opening an overflow facility for unaccompanied migrant children apprehended at the US-Mexico border, the federal agency tasked with the children's care told CNN in a statement.

The Health and Human Services Department will reopen a facility in Carrizo Springs, Texas, that can accommodate about 700 children and can be expanded if necessary.

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The irony of this segment about deplatforming, where they turn the MyPillow guy's mic down and recite a legal statement over him until one of the anchors just leaves to protect himself from further legal jeopardy, shouldn't be lost on anybody. <a href="https://t.co/ah89Gs7BkJ">https://t.co/ah89Gs7BkJ</a></p>— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) <a href="https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1356735672237912064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This was amazingly hilarious

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought blue lives matter was a GOP thing. Tonight the funeral lying in state for the fallen officer, Brian Sicknick, is being covered solemnly on MSNBC and CNN. But not covered at all on Fox or the right wing networks ( OAN, Newsmax) So I guess that was all BS for the GoP. <a href="https://t.co/aIhbZaiuq9">pic.twitter.com/aIhbZaiuq9</a></p>— HillaryGail😷🌼🌺🌸 (@Hillaryh4444Hos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hillaryh4444Hos/status/1356802413085290498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ab2cmiller]

This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.

 

[dublinirish]

This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.

This was never the case, not since its inception. The business model of Fox/Murdoch is not about being unbiased.

 

[ab2cmiller]

This was never the case, not since its inception. The business model of Fox/Murdoch is not about being unbiased.

Just like it hasn't been the case for the rest of the MSM. Far too many people on this site who can't even admit that.

 

[NorthDakota]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I thought blue lives matter was a GOP thing. Tonight the funeral lying in state for the fallen officer, Brian Sicknick, is being covered solemnly on MSNBC and CNN. But not covered at all on Fox or the right wing networks ( OAN, Newsmax) So I guess that was all BS for the GoP. <a href="https://t.co/aIhbZaiuq9">pic.twitter.com/aIhbZaiuq9</a></p>— HillaryGail😷🌼🌺🌸 (@Hillaryh4444Hos) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hillaryh4444Hos/status/1356802413085290498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The real question is why isn't the dude in the ground yet? Been dead almost a month.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

This is the problem. We have news that is totally slanted on both sides of the spectrum. There is no such thing as unbiased news anymore. Been that way for some time. I used to think that Fox news was closer to the middle, but they jumped the shark awhile back. People don't know what to believe, so they simply go the source that reaffirms the things they want to believe. Any news that reflects badly on the other side is pushed. Anything that reflects badly on "our side" is ignored.

Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.

 

[drayer54]

Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.

Baier does a nice job. After he is done it is opinion all night long. I can't do Hannity or Ingram. It's like RNC propaganda and I don't need nor want to hear it. Tucker will call BS on anyone from any side and I appreciate that. I couldn't call him unbiased, but I do appreciate it when people look both ways. He has some genuinely good takes at times but it's like listening to Bill Maher- you know where he leans but he really nails it sometimes.

CNN/MSNBC only exists for propaganda and outrage. The potato guy that spewed nonsense and wants to de-platform Fox may be the biggest joke they have.

Really the whole media machine is broken. Most of the journos are leftist jokes. My favorite podcast plays a game where they read off tweets from 3 journos and a known Dem pundit and you have to guess which is the pundit. The point is always that the journos are completely in the tank for the left.

I still like my WSJ coverage and the dweebs on CNBC during the day, but yeah total joke for the media these days.

 

[dublinirish]

The real question is why isn't the dude in the ground yet? Been dead almost a month.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/536393-capitol-police-back-bill-to-allow-officer-to-lie-in-honor

because there was a campaign led by GOP lawmakers to give him a funeral befitting him. Pity conservative media had apparently better things to show their viewers last night

 

[NorthDakota]

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/536393-capitol-police-back-bill-to-allow-officer-to-lie-in-honor

because there was a campaign led by GOP lawmakers to give him a funeral befitting him. Pity conservative media had apparently better things to show their viewers last night

I didn't have the TV on so it wouldn't have affected me. Would've likely changed the channel.

 

[Old Man Mike]

enlightening ... ?
(the television equivalent of "didn't read it.")

 

[Legacy]

We finally have a Homeland Security Director confirmed by the Senate - Alejandro Mayorkas - who has experience in the Dept, too.
He follows Acting Secretary Chad Wolfe, who was proceeded by (Acting) Secr. Ken McAlleenan. Wolfe resigned prior to the Inauguration, and for the interim Biden replaced him with David Pekoske. Pekoske had been confirmed by the U.S. Senate as the Transportation Security Administration’s Secretary. Pekoske will act as Deputy Sec until his replacement can be confirmed by the Senate. His predecessor, (Acting) Deputy Sec was Ken Cuccinelli, who previously served as (Acting) Director and Senior Official Performing the Duties of the Director of United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (ICE).

In the DHS leadership at this time, Trump holdovers are (Acting) Under Secretary, Management, Randolph D. "Tex" Alles, who is also filling the role of Deputy Under Secretary for Management. Alles was fired as head of Secret Service due to the Chinese woman entering the grounds at Mar-a-Lago and then put in the role at DHS months later without nomination to Congress.

Wolfe's directive on DACA were determined to be illegal and invalidated due to his role exceeding time by law. Cuccinelli served in two roles as Acting head prior to his Dep Secr role. Under Wolfe an annual report on domestic terrorism threat to the security of the U.S. was delayed, finally triggering an Inspector General whistleblower report to Congress. Trump had nominated Wolfe for DHS Secr after his regulations were invalidated, but then pulled his nomination after Inauguration Day and the Insurrection at the Capitol. That withdrawal occurred one after Wolfe said that "Any appearance of inciting violence by an elected official goes against who we are as Americans."

The last Homeland Security head that was confirmed through Congress's role to advise and consent was Kirsten Nielsen twenty-two months ago. Legally, appointees which require Senate approval can only serve in that capacity for nine months. Without that Advise and Consent, personnel were just moved around within the Dept from different sections.

The GAO also issued a report to Congress that Wolfe was in his position illegally.

Upon Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen's resignation on April 10, 2019, the official who assumed the title of Acting Secretary had not been designated in the order of succession to serve upon the Secretary's resignation. Because the incorrect official assumed the title of Acting Secretary at that time, subsequent amendments to the order of succession made by that official were invalid and officials who assumed their positions under such amendments, including Chad Wolf and Kenneth Cuccinelli, were named by reference to an invalid order of succession

DHS is the third largest Dept in the Executive Branch and in charge of Immigration, Terror threats to our democracy, countering weapons of mass destruction, TSA, FEMA, pandemic responses, interactions with private sectors and Congress and much more. When Wolfe was called before Congress in the spring to explain his Dept's response to the pandemic, he evidenced a lack of knowledge of that role and responsibilities.

Mayorkas was confirmed by the Senate with a 56-43 vote on Tuesday.

 

[Blazers46]

Fox News has all but abandoned unbiased news and is now almost exclusively opinion infotainment.
SHeP admits gave a great interview on this recently on why he left. I think there might be only one guy left that is unopinionated. Everything else is propaganda and outrage manufacturing.

Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.

Not even sure what this means tbh. If Kelly has more "yeah fine say whatever you want" then that is *not* always a great thing.

One of my good friends works for CBS News in a position where he's on their national nightly news fairly frequently. We've chatted about "the media" a bunch and he's pretty quick to lay it all out that at the end of the day 1) it's a ratings game, 2) producers come and go, 3) different producers have different tolerances, 4) corporate bosses come and go, 5) corporate bosses' goals change, etc etc etc.

His view is most of the journalists went to the same schools (Syracuse, Northwestern, etc) and know each other and follow the same rigorous journalistic procedures, etc. If that always shines in a TV production after a producer gets their way is a totally different issue. If a network wants to turn more Left or Right because of a new corporate goal, that's a different issue too. For example there was a time when MSNBC wanted to go 9/10 liberal, now they're more like 7.5/10 liberal. He's also recognizes that all of this inconsistency rolls downhill (in part because networks dont announce when they're changing ratings strategies) and the everyday reporter is branded as slanted when that is not the case 95% of the time.

He interviewed at Fox News before taking the CBS News job and said they have, by far, the nicest facilities and pay the most. But he didn't like the interview and while they didn't show bias one way or the other, he just said something was "off" lol

 

[Blazers46]

Not even sure what this means tbh. If Kelly has more "yeah fine say whatever you want" then that is *not* always a great thing.

One of my good friends works for CBS News in a position where he's on their national nightly news fairly frequently. We've chatted about "the media" a bunch and he's pretty quick to lay it all out that at the end of the day 1) it's a ratings game, 2) producers come and go, 3) different producers have different tolerances, 4) corporate bosses come and go, 5) corporate bosses' goals change, etc etc etc.

His view is most of the journalists went to the same schools (Syracuse, Northwestern, etc) and know each other and follow the same rigorous journalistic procedures, etc. If that always shines in a TV production after a producer gets their way is a totally different issue. If a network wants to turn more Left or Right because of a new corporate goal, that's a different issue too. For example there was a time when MSNBC wanted to go 9/10 liberal, now they're more like 7.5/10 liberal. He's also recognizes that all of this inconsistency rolls downhill (in part because networks dont announce when they're changing ratings strategies) and the everyday reporter is branded as slanted when that is not the case 95% of the time.

He interviewed at Fox News before taking the CBS News job and said they have, by far, the nicest facilities and pay the most. But he didn't like the interview and while they didn't show bias one way or the other, he just said something was "off" lol

In the context of journalism she was saying she had more flexibility to report what she wanted. I guess it could be the same as “saying” what you want but “saying what you want” really isn’t journalism, which has been the criticism of MSM in general. She was specifically talking about having more flexibility on what stories she covered and what guests she could bring on. As opposed to NBC where she did not have as much. I miss my MSM crush on Megyn, her and Trumps feud made me like her even more.

 

[BilboBaggins]

In the context of journalism she was saying she had more flexibility to report what she wanted. I guess it could be the same as “saying” what you want but “saying what you want” really isn’t journalism, which has been the criticism of MSM in general. She was specifically talking about having more flexibility on what stories she covered and what guests she could bring on. As opposed to NBC where she did not have as much. I miss my MSM crush on Megyn, her and Trumps feud made me like her even more.

What she did at Fox News wasn't journalism so I don't really get your point. She was on a shorter leash at NBC? I'm shocked that they didn't fully trust a huge Fox News personality to recreate and rid herself of the persona she was on Fox News. Maybe if her show didn't tank right out of the gate she would have gotten that "journalistic freedom."

 

[Blazers46]

Megyn Kelly said she had more journalistic freedom at FOX than she did at NBC. Not saying this to prove a point either way because I dont have a dog in this fight but to just add to the discussion.

What she did at Fox News wasn't journalism so I don't really get your point. She was on a shorter leash at NBC? I'm shocked that they didn't fully trust a huge Fox News personality to recreate and rid herself of the persona she was on Fox News. Maybe if her show didn't tank right out of the gate she would have gotten that "journalistic freedom."

Relax. Breathe. Read.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Yeh, right. Does anyone believe that you post without trying to "make a point?" Give your colleagues a break. You post as if you always "have a dog in the fight." Cut the snarky slaps at your colleagues. "Relax. Breathe. Read." What a supercilious attempt at personalized put-down.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Yeh, right. Does anyone believe that you post without trying to "make a point?" Give your colleagues a break. You post as if you always "have a dog in the fight." Cut the snarky slaps at your colleagues. "Relax. Breathe. Read." What a supercilious attempt at personalized put-down.

It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

"I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol

 

[TorontoGold]

It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

"I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol

Very much a "Well, actually...." or "I'm going to play the devil's advocate" guy-in-your-university lecture feel. lol

 

[dublinirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAK: <a href="https://twitter.com/mattgaetz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MattGaetz</a> tells <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WarRoomPandemic?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WarRoomPandemic</a> he would be willing to resign his Congressional seat in order to defend President Donald Trump in the upcoming impeachment trial. <a href="https://t.co/bCRtEnmC0P">https://t.co/bCRtEnmC0P</a></p>— Raheem Kassam (@RaheemKassam) <a href="https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/1356986765832318976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

He probably should resign for his failed attempt to out Liz Cheney from leadership. Dude went to Wyoming and talked a ton of shit about her. Not smart.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It's like the "I'm not trying to be rude but...."

"I'm not trying to make a point but..." ...insert dig at NBC News and use loaded terms like "MSM" lol

I said “with all due respect!”

 

[dublinirish]

He probably should resign for his failed attempt to out Liz Cheney from leadership. Dude went to Wyoming and talked a ton of shit about her. Not smart.

got dragged on twitter by ChinaVirus guy

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No we voted. You were just wrong by like, a huuuuuge margin. <a href="https://t.co/2iwjlxpB3J">https://t.co/2iwjlxpB3J</a></p>— Adam Kinzinger (@RepKinzinger) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1357152981335105537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 4, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>