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But until there is proof, these claims are false so its unethical to propose and share this misinformation

This is right up there when YJ/NoDak/etc were saying the Proud Boys were just an angsty bunch and not actually white nationalists or anti semites. Why they ever tried to defend them is beyond me.
 

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Fuck Trump, his supporters, anyone comparing this to race riots.

Fuck the apologists on here. Count yourself as part of the
fall of the American Empire.
This was the turning point.
This is why I've been a never trumper

If you ever feel like you're talking to yourself here and no one responds to you, this is why. You provide nothing of substance and you sound like Keith Olbermann after one too many cocktails.
 

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This is right up there when YJ/NoDak/etc were saying the Proud Boys were just an angsty bunch and not actually white nationalists or anti semites. Why they ever tried to defend them is beyond me.

I honestly cant believe there is anyone defending, rationalizing, minimizing, whitewashing any of this. Proud Boys are white nationalist no doubt. MAGATs have clearly shown who they are (angry white fascists craving authoritarian rule who have coalesced American Nazis, racists and ignoramus' into a political mob. The GOP has done little to nothing to fight against this and by all accounts have tactily approved it by doing nothing to denounce it.

I love that people are trying so hard to put antifa in this. Its so fucking hilariously transparent. The cognitive dissonance is tangible.
 

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the amount of people who claim antifa were responsible for storming the capitol is just unfathomable. are people really that stupid?

It is very hard to stop disinformation in this day and age. The fake ANTIFA story Matt Gaetz pushed was the #11 most clicked link in the United States yesterday. Doesn't matter that it has been debunked, the damage is done. It's spread like wildfire through social media with all the grifters linking to same fake news and amplifying it... once that happens, you can't put the genie back in the bottle.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347555316863553542?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

More poeple are going to die.
 

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I love that people are trying so hard to put antifa in this. Its so fucking hilariously transparent. The cognitive dissonance is tangible.

I think its pretty dumb as well.

Did you have similar thoughts this summer when people tried pinning riots on right-wing groups?
 

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I think its pretty dumb as well.

Did you have similar thoughts this summer when people tried pinning riots on right-wing groups?

Thanks to Donald Trumps calls for toughness, some idiot Trumper drove to a riot and murdered someone with his AR-15. Or am I just imagining that?

There are instigators on both sides, but cut this shit out with the false equivalencies. The women killed in the capitol was a Trumper, all evidence points to 99% of the insurrectionists being Trumpers. It was a riot called for by Trump himself.
 

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I think its pretty dumb as well.

Did you have similar thoughts this summer when people tried pinning riots on right-wing groups?

I dont becasue there were numerous documented instances of right wing agitators actively instigating damage and destruction.

Im not getting into this bullshit both sides false equivalency so if you are interested in that, you can kick rocks.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1347569870578266115?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

lol taking his ball and going home
 

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My favorite thing about this discussion happening on THIS board, centered around college football, rather than our places is that it boils down to an incompetent leader not being able to accept a loss.

Let's pretend Donald Trump was Jim Harbaugh, and he was holding rallies in Ann Arbor every few days, months after losing at the end of regulation to Ohio State, about how they were cheated. Or he was having hour-long conversations with the Big10 Office about how they needed to find just 10 more points to put in the record books and change the score. Or he was suggesting Michigan Fans storm said Big10 Offices and demand the score be changed.

Even if another coach had done something remotely similar (but whatabout BLM!!!), you'd be laughing hysterically about how far Michigan football had fallen, how much of a snowflake Harbaugh and the fans were, and questioning how anyone could still support the guy.



Your guy lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on.
 

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I dont becasue there were numerous documented instances of right wing agitators actively instigating damage and destruction.

Im not getting into this bullshit both sides false equivalency so if you are interested in that, you can kick rocks.

Why did you remove your link?
 

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Your guy lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on.

Umm, where were you the past four years? I agree, Trump and a segment of his supporters are handling this badly and should accept the loss and move on gracefully. OTOH, did you not watch the goings on of the past four years? Hillary spent most of it blaming anyone and everyone except herself for her loss. It was misogyny, the Russians, white men telling their wives how to vote, Fox News, blah blah blah. It was four years of the nutty Russian Collusion stuff and endless investigations from people who knew from the start that it was false. It was four years of "Not my president" and celebrities crying about it all.

Is Trump being a sore loser and handling this badly? Of course, but we've spent the past four years thinking, "Your person lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on."
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NEWS: Betsy DeVos has resigned, writing in a letter to the president: "There is no mistaking the impact your rhetoric had on the situation, and it is the inflection point for me." <a href="https://t.co/Kiq4WwbKhh">https://t.co/Kiq4WwbKhh</a></p>— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) <a href="https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/1347361238645436416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Trump’s bullshit too much for even Betsy DeVos now. Second cabinet member to resign in past 24 hours among a handful of other administration officials who are disgusted by what they saw yesterday.

I posted the day this crap happened asking how many staff members and appointees would quit before his last day. His speech came too late.
 

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Umm, where were you the past four years? I agree, Trump and a segment of his supporters are handling this badly and should accept the loss and move on gracefully. OTOH, did you not watch the goings on of the past four years? Hillary spent most of it blaming anyone and everyone except herself for her loss. It was misogyny, the Russians, white men telling their wives how to vote, Fox News, blah blah blah. It was four years of the nutty Russian Collusion stuff and endless investigations from people who knew from the start that it was false. It was four years of "Not my president" and celebrities crying about it all.

Is Trump being a sore loser and handling this badly? Of course, but we've spent the past four years thinking, "Your person lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on."


I've been bullying liberals for blaming Russia for the DNC's shortcomings. I think Hillary should be prosecuted for war crimes. I'm not the guy you're looking for.

But now it's the conservatives turn to be the shit-for-brains snowflakes, so I've turned the sights on them.
 

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My favorite thing about this discussion happening on THIS board, centered around college football, rather than our places is that it boils down to an incompetent leader not being able to accept a loss.

Let's pretend Donald Trump was Jim Harbaugh, and he was holding rallies in Ann Arbor every few days, months after losing at the end of regulation to Ohio State, about how they were cheated. Or he was having hour-long conversations with the Big10 Office about how they needed to find just 10 more points to put in the record books and change the score. Or he was suggesting Michigan Fans storm said Big10 Offices and demand the score be changed.

Even if another coach had done something remotely similar (but whatabout BLM!!!), you'd be laughing hysterically about how far Michigan football had fallen, how much of a snowflake Harbaugh and the fans were, and questioning how anyone could still support the guy.



Your guy lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on.

The major difference is, in that scenario nobody would be more upset with Harbaugh than the Michigan fans themselves. In politics, the “fans” make nothing but excuses for their guy. They never get upset when their guy fails to live up to campaign promises. All that matters is your side winning the election and keeping the other side out. It’s a pretty sweet gig. Just win the election and you’re golden.

Brian Kelly has to win every damn game or the fans want him fired.
 

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I posted the day this crap happened asking how many staff members and appointees would quit before his last day. His speech came too late.

Quitting now is pathetic. You dont go 99% of a journey with the end line in sight and then say you are lost and want to be go back
 

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Umm, where were you the past four years? I agree, Trump and a segment of his supporters are handling this badly and should accept the loss and move on gracefully. OTOH, did you not watch the goings on of the past four years? Hillary spent most of it blaming anyone and everyone except herself for her loss. It was misogyny, the Russians, white men telling their wives how to vote, Fox News, blah blah blah. It was four years of the nutty Russian Collusion stuff and endless investigations from people who knew from the start that it was false. It was four years of "Not my president" and celebrities crying about it all.

Is Trump being a sore loser and handling this badly? Of course, but we've spent the past four years thinking, "Your person lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on."

That landed a good deal of his 2016 campaign staff in jail and were determined to be justified by multiple Inspector General investigations. It wasn't about being "sore losers" it was about the obvious levels of blatant corruption and criminality involved over the course of his entire campaign and presidency.

To use an analogy you're acting like the parent who raised and enabled a self entitled asshole who then acts out. You then point the finger at the teachers and school administrators who have to deal with said asshole.
 
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That landed a good deal of his 2016 campaign staff in jail and were determined to be justified by multiple Inspector General investigations. It wasn't about being a "sore losers" it was about the obvious levels of blatant corruption and criminality involved over the course of his entire campaign and presidency.

To use an analogy you're acting like the parent who raised and enabled a self entitled asshole who then acts out. You then point the finger at the teachers and school administrators who have to deal with said asshole.

To add to this, I dont recall Obama trying to get the inauguration postponed until he could overturn a "stolen" election.

But hey bishop's game is false equivalencies and whataboutisms. He's an all-conference level performer.
 

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Umm, where were you the past four years? I agree, Trump and a segment of his supporters are handling this badly and should accept the loss and move on gracefully. OTOH, did you not watch the goings on of the past four years? Hillary spent most of it blaming anyone and everyone except herself for her loss. It was misogyny, the Russians, white men telling their wives how to vote, Fox News, blah blah blah. It was four years of the nutty Russian Collusion stuff and endless investigations from people who knew from the start that it was false. It was four years of "Not my president" and celebrities crying about it all.

Is Trump being a sore loser and handling this badly? Of course, but we've spent the past four years thinking, "Your person lost. You lost. Stop crying. Move on."

I never understand this mindset. It’s ok to suck because the other side sucks too? When you argue with your wife do you bring up everything from the last four years? Do you tell your kids it’s ok to act poorly if someone is acting that way to you? This tit for tat Hatfield/McCoys is 90% of the problems in this world.
 

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That landed a good deal of his 2016 campaign staff in jail and were determined to be justified by multiple Inspector General investigations. It wasn't about being a "sore losers" it was about the obvious levels of blatant corruption and criminality involved over the course of his entire campaign and presidency.

To use an analogy you're acting like the parent who raised and enabled a self entitled asshole who then acts out. You then point the finger at the teachers and school administrators who have to deal with said asshole.

Right, the funny thing about the Russian "nothingburger" is that.... it actually uncovered a ton of criminal activity by Trump employees and Trump associates. And then those people were convicted and went to jail. But don't let that ruin a good narrative.
 

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To add to this, I dont recall Obama trying to get the inauguration postponed until he could overturn a "stolen" election.

But hey bishop's game is false equivalencies and whataboutisms. He's an all-conference level performer.

This has been your go-to response to everything. Kind of a one trick pony thing. I don't think you really quite understand what those two things are. It's just something for you say that you think makes you look insightful.
 

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I never understand this mindset. It’s ok to suck because the other side sucks too? When you argue with your wife do you bring up everything from the last four years? Do you tell your kids it’s ok to act poorly if someone is acting that way to you? This tit for tat Hatfield/McCoys is 90% of the problems in this world.

Of course not. That wasn't the point. The point was that so many people are up in arms about one person or side's behavior and are seemingly oblivious to how the other side was doing similar. I think Trump and some of his supporters are acting badly and should accept the election results and move on gracefully. I think Hillary and her supporters should've done the same too.
 

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Of course not. That wasn't the point. The point was that so many people are up in arms about one person or side's behavior and are seemingly oblivious to how the other side was doing similar. I think Trump and some of his supporters are acting badly and should accept the election results and move on gracefully. I think Hillary and her supporters should've done the same too.

Must have missed the day Hilary's supporters stormed the Capitol. What you saying is classic Whataboutism
 

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Must have missed the day Hilary's supporters stormed the Capitol. What you saying is classic Whataboutism

You're conflating unrelated events and you don't understand the meaning or use of whataboutism. It's not the answer for every point you don't like.
 

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Yeah, yesterday should have never happened. Neither should the summer riots have happened while leaders on the left encouraged it all or remained silent. Extremists on both sides need to be Thanos snapped away.

Most of us were done with this election once the outcome was no longer in doubt. Do I think something hinky may have happened behind closed doors? Possibly, but it'll never be proven so there's no use fighting it. I do know that the honest man has nothing to hide, while the liar deters you whenever possible. Fighting against transparency in the election process, voter registration/id, fighting the recount, you would think if they had nothing to hide these wouldn't be a problem.

This is a good comment for me to lay out some thoughts.

1) We're heading into day three since the storming of the Capitol and I don't think I've seen one Trump supporter in this thread criticize Trump, the Republicans, and the right-wing media for inciting and allowing this to happen. Some have agreed it was a bad thing to happen (some with the lightest of hand slaps), but has anyone laid the proper blame? This is a huge problem.

2) The President of the United States, without evidence, has been claiming that the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He refused to accept the results of the election. This, more than anything else, fomented the rage in the people who stormed the Capitol, not that the rest of the country "wasn't angry enough" about social justice riots earlier this year. It's pretty telling that the pro-Trump crowd has been steering the conversation away from contesting the election.

3) The President held a goddamn "Save America" rally outside the White House, after losing an election, only a couple hours before the Capitol was stormed saying this:

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.

That was after Rudy Giuliani called for a "trial by combat" against Democrats on the same stage while Trump spent the whole day berating Vice President Pence because he wouldn't illegally steal the election for him.

4) The election was not stolen. Trump has had 2 months to provide evidence in the American court system and not done so. Normal democratic and legal routes were pursued and he lost.

5) The "honest man has nothing to hide" schtick is funny given the fact that Trump's divisive rhetoric about the election differed wildly versus what was presented in court. Who is the one lying to Americans?

6) Many states did recounts and offered transparency. No voter fraud was found. This in combination with Trump losing dozens of cases in the American court system! Where is all this stuff that is being hidden from Americans? Trump has been trying to steal this election and still it's somehow the other side being blamed for not wanting things looked into?? How does someone even formulate that logic?

7) Mere MINUTES before the Capitol was stormed senator Ted Cruz offered to create a 10-day electoral commission audit of the election and that if Democrats believed there was no evidence of fraud they should rest easy. Again, who is lying and abusing the trust of the American people?

8) Everyone deflecting towards people not being "upset enough" about BLM protests and riots are being disingenuous at best. I think the response from Biden, Democrat leaders, and the general public at large with the rioting was more than sufficient. It was condemned strongly. It's also been no contest between how Biden & Trump have handled both the BLM protests and Capitol storming. Trump has been a national disgrace.

9) What those being disingenuous really mean to offer is that they're upset the BLM/Antifa rioting wasn't damaging enough to Democrats. That's the ugly face of trying to draw a line connecting the riots to storming the Capitol.

10) The riots and looting have to be seen through the prism of social injustice and police reform. For many Americans, those are just causes. That doesn't condone some of the violent actions but there's a moral backstory to that pain. Hence, why the property destruction isn't as politically damaging to Democrats.

11) The riots and looting weren't a one-way street of blame, either. They still exposed problems w/r/t social justice and police tactics with plenty of innocent people being killed, injured, or arrested while protesting. This colors why more people weren't "upset enough" about property damage because it's not quite that black and white as if property damage or injured police were the only bad things to occur.

12) Juxtapose many of the BLM protests and the police response to Wednesday's storming of the Capitol. There's a lot of digging to find out how the Capitol Police failed so miserably but the way people who stormed the Capitol were allowed to just leave freely is a massive failure in every way and only sharpens the critique in this country that white people get treated differently.

13) People stormed the Capitol because they believed the lie that the election was stolen and are being anti-American traitors by trying to steal a fair election. People rioted because of social injustice. These two things are not on equal moral planes.

14) Riots have happened all throughout US history. Storming the Capitol to steal an election is a complete shock to the American system. Yesterday, the Iranian president said how fragile Western democracy is and that a populist led this country to disaster. He shouldn't be right but he is! This is not okay!

15) I really can't stress enough how Republicans have been trying to steal the election, which led to storming the Capitol of the United States, and the pro-Trump posters in this thread have been blaming damn near everyone else (BLM protests, Antifa, media, Dems) while refusing to deal with the undemocratic nonsense that led to this mess.

Lastly, storming the Capitol to take down the American flag in favor of the Trump flag says it all. Party over country.
 

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They won't criticize trump, they'll instead stick up for ever trumpers, radicals, white nationalists and hill jacks.
They choose their tribe over American Democracy.

They think race riots are the same. I don't condone any rioting but this is just an overdue payback riot.
 
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