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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TLDR: <br>✔️Equates George Floyd protests to the violent invasion of the Capitol<br>✔️Spreads election fraud conspiracies <br>✔️Approvingly quotes Nixon<br>✔️Labels himself center-right, positioning himself for a 2nd failed presidential bid <a href="https://t.co/sjnAdfJnsd">https://t.co/sjnAdfJnsd</a></p>— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1347584097724428290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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Yep. Anyone who supports trump is nazi.

Not what I said.

What I will say is that political scientists have shown that many unsuccessful coup attempts are followed by successful ones. Which should have everyone on high alert.

Unless people are down with that kind of thing.

Also, The KC Star and St. Louis Post Dispatch have called on Josh Hawley to resign.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed. <a href="https://t.co/fxHREouEWF">https://t.co/fxHREouEWF</a></p>— Jim Bourg (@jimbourg) <a href="https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/1347559078831284227?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">TLDR: <br>✔️Equates George Floyd protests to the violent invasion of the Capitol<br>✔️Spreads election fraud conspiracies <br>✔️Approvingly quotes Nixon<br>✔️Labels himself center-right, positioning himself for a 2nd failed presidential bid <a href="https://t.co/sjnAdfJnsd">https://t.co/sjnAdfJnsd</a></p>— Jon Favreau (@jonfavs) <a href="https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/1347584097724428290?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

For all the bluster about the "radical left" and Democrats (which is a complete joke when you look at the administration Biden is putting together) it seems pretty clear that the GOP is controlled by the radical right. The "John Bircher" wing of the party, once considered complete kooks now seem to be pulling a lot of levers particularly at the primary level. Would seem that Buckley's concerns about them way back when were well justified.
 

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Not what I said.

What I will say is that political scientists have shown that many unsuccessful coup attempts are followed by successful ones. Which should have everyone on high alert.

Unless people are down with that kind of thing.

Also, The KC Star and St. Louis Post Dispatch have called on Josh Hawley to resign.

When Trump eventually steps away (and he will), there will be a huge vacuum there for someone to fill who will command the MAGA army/movement/base. How they wield this command could be really really terrifying for the future of the United States
 

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Do those who assume "no evidence, no fraud" (forget they only had 2 months to investigate) also assume "no evidence, no fraud" regarding Hillary destroying 30,000 emails and the associated servers?

Or different rules?
 

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When Trump eventually steps away (and he will), there will be a huge vacuum there for someone to fill who will command the MAGA army/movement/base. How they wield this command could be really really terrifying for the future of the United States

If Trump is as bad as it gets, how would the next Conservative leader be terrifying? Wouldn't it have to be "less terrifying than the worst" by nature?

Seems like a major stretch to already jump in that seat.
 

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This has been your go-to response to everything. Kind of a one trick pony thing. I don't think you really quite understand what those two things are. It's just something for you say that you think makes you look insightful.

I know you are but what am I! Lol
 

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If Trump is as bad as it gets, how would the next Conservative leader be terrifying? Wouldn't it have to be "less terrifying than the worst" by nature?

Seems like a major stretch to already jump in that seat.

With the GOP, it can always get worse. You think someone like Tommy Tubberville getting elected is a sign the GOP is evolving into a better party?
 

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When Trump eventually steps away (and he will), there will be a huge vacuum there for someone to fill who will command the MAGA army/movement/base. How they wield this command could be really really terrifying for the future of the United States

Hawley and Cruz are already battling for it. I would consider both far more competent than Trump in the arena of policy and being able to actually navigate the system.

Hawley is a nice, neatly packaged version who can peel back some of those suburban women they've lost.
 

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Do those who assume "no evidence, no fraud" (forget they only had 2 months to investigate) also assume "no evidence, no fraud" regarding Hillary destroying 30,000 emails and the associated servers?

Or different rules?

I lol'd.

It's not illegal to delete emails. I'm an elected official and I do it every day. I've probably deleted 3,000+ emails this year.

The Republicans switched the narrative to 33,000 deleted emails from "had classified information on private servers" after it was uncovered that the classified dara amounted to subordinates emailing her news articles. As in, if someone leaks classified info to the press and an article is published, a subordinate occasionally emailed her saying "did you see this in the Times?" OH MY GOD THE HORROR.

Republicans acted like she was running her position as Secretary of State from a backroom server so her corruption with the dreaded Clinton Foundation couldn't be uncovered by the valiant and brave defenders of liberty and justice....the fucking GOP.

Unfortunately the propaganda strategy of faux outrage overload makes someone play wack-a-mole with these bullshit crises. It's only purpose is to detail a conversation about legitimate corruption.

Imagine if the Clinton Foundation was busted embezzling money and barred from states. Or if Hillary Clinton had to admit to fraud after Clinton University robbed people blind. But when Trump is shown, clear as day, to be a conman....crickets.
 
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With the GOP, it can always get worse. You think someone like Tommy Tubberville getting elected is a sign the GOP is evolving into a better party?

This is a take that will be lost in time, but I'm at least quoting it in a small effort to highlight how stupid it is.

By everything I'm reading in this thread, even you don't think it gets "worse than Trump" so to make this prediction is lazy and outlandish IMO. Be real at the very least.
 

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I lol'd.

It's not illegal to delete emails. I'm an elected official and I do it every day. I've probably deleted 3,000+ emails this year.

The Republicans switched the narrative to 33,000 deleted emails from "had classified information on private servers" after it was uncovered that the classified dara amounted to subordinates emailing her news articles. As in, if someone leaks classified info to the press and an article is published, a subordinate occasionally emailed her saying "did you see this in the Times?" OH MY GOD THE HORROR.

Republicans acted like she was running her position as Secretary of State from a backroom server so her corruption with the dreaded Clinton Foundation couldn't be uncovered by the valiant and brave defenders of liberty and justice....the fucking GOP.

Try harder. Get a better outrage.

Still waiting your answer. Are you convinced in the bottom of your heart that Hillary did that as just a "business as usual" process? Or do you think there's reason to believe she was hiding something?

I'm using your logic so I feel like you can at least answer to it.
 

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I expect this will be a federal investigation "like you've never seen before". Whatever resources they need will be provided. Whatever roads our law enforcement, they will pursue. If there is big money behind this, people will be identified and prosecuted. Leaders will be held accountable in our courts. Prison time without parole o pardon. We cannot settle for anything else in an attack on our legislators that we elected no matter if you agree with their politics or not. Those are words.

Make no mistake though. These roots run deep. They think they represent America. They think they are patriots. They pray as if they are Christian, and arm for "trial by combat" as Giuliani said. We all know lhe ed the prosecutions of organized crime in NYC and was the Mayor who would "clean up the city". The law and order guy.

These guys have called Trump and Cruz "traitors" because they "backed down" from a cause that would restore government "to the people". Not referring to those constituencies who elected them necessarily. "Traitors" has been leveled at state Republican legislators who did not support voter fraud allegations and wanted to pass a few gun restrictions. Hasn't "traitors" and "we will not forget" been used by a Trump family member?

Amazing to me that someone can stand on the balcony of Congress and videotape themselves saying they will return to Congress and "blood will flow". And feel comfortable about posting it. Or that someone with political power will repeat "the storm is coming" as QAnon says.

Never again.
 
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It doesn't get said enough that so many of these state controlled elections were just run by Republican led legislatures that approved all of these rules months ago during the primaries.

They wanted this chaos when in reality the mail in votes could have been counted as they were being received just like in Florida. We knew Florida's winner on Election night. WI, MI, PA, GA didn't want that and they set the rules. It was all to be able to claim fraud in the end. Or they thought the mail in process would benefit them and more Dems voted as such due to the pandemic.

I voted in person for the primary right before things went on lockdown in March. I mailed in for the first time ever in the general. County Chair, Board and Clerk were all Republican led. I tracked my ballot. Zero issues.

Get ready for tripled down efforts to suppress votes now going forward. It's going to be even worse than ever. We'll be back to black precincts missing machines, extension cords for the machines, 5 hour lines, whatever other new tricks we haven't seen yet.

When power and winning come first, the Republic starts to wilt.
 
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Must have missed the day Hilary's supporters stormed the Capitol. What you saying is classic Whataboutism

Anti Trumpers did cause damage in DC on the day he took office. It doesn't compare to what happened this week, but there was a number of people there for the sole purpose of trouble. A quick google search will show you.
 

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Still waiting your answer. Are you convinced in the bottom of your heart that Hillary did that as just a "business as usual" process? Or do you think there's reason to believe she was hiding something?

I'm using your logic so I feel like you can at least answer to it.

You're not using my logic or any logic at all. You're asking someone to prove a negative. It's less than speculative because there was never any meat on the bones. It would be like Trump haters such as myself saying "but what about the time Trump had Russian hookers pee on him?" In 2020 it's not really a serious claim since there is nonexistent evidence backing it up.
 

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Anti Trumpers did cause damage in DC on the day he took office. It doesn't compare to what happened this week, but there was a number of people there for the sole purpose of trouble. A quick google search will show you.

were they encouraged to do so by Hilary?
 

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Hawley and Cruz are already battling for it. I would consider both far more competent than Trump in the arena of policy and being able to actually navigate the system.

Hawley is a nice, neatly packaged version who can peel back some of those suburban women they've lost.

GOP is going to trot out Nikki Haley with Ben Sasse as VP to trying to win back suburban women. The GOP wisely realized they were getting obliterated by women candidates (see: Michigan 2018) and have done a really good job of putting women on the ballot ever since.
 

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You're not using my logic or any logic at all. You're asking someone to prove a negative. It's less than speculative because there was never any meat on the bones. It would be like Trump haters such as myself saying "but what about the time Trump had Russian hookers pee on him?" In 2020 it's not really a serious claim since there is nonexistent evidence backing it up.

You say "no evidence so it didn't happen". I'm comparing that logic to Hillary's situation. If you actually thinm there's zero reason to think Hillary was involved in hiding anything, that's fine, it's an answer.

This is apples to apples and you determined the rules. This is a pretty weak follow up.
 

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GOP is going to trot out Nikki Haley with Ben Sasse as VP to trying to win back suburban women. The GOP wisely realized they were getting obliterated by women candidates (see: Michigan 2018) and have done a really good job of putting women on the ballot ever since.

Nikki is my bet on the 2024 candidate.
 

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Do those who assume "no evidence, no fraud" (forget they only had 2 months to investigate) also assume "no evidence, no fraud" regarding Hillary destroying 30,000 emails and the associated servers?

Or different rules?

Guys! He unironically just came full circle to "but her emails"....
 

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This is a good comment for me to lay out some thoughts.

1) We're heading into day three since the storming of the Capitol and I don't think I've seen one Trump supporter in this thread criticize Trump, the Republicans, and the right-wing media for inciting and allowing this to happen. Some have agreed it was a bad thing to happen (some with the lightest of hand slaps), but has anyone laid the proper blame? This is a huge problem.

2) The President of the United States, without evidence, has been claiming that the election was fraudulent and stolen from him. He refused to accept the results of the election. This, more than anything else, fomented the rage in the people who stormed the Capitol, not that the rest of the country "wasn't angry enough" about social justice riots earlier this year. It's pretty telling that the pro-Trump crowd has been steering the conversation away from contesting the election.

3) The President held a goddamn "Save America" rally outside the White House, after losing an election, only a couple hours before the Capitol was stormed saying this:

All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.

That was after Rudy Giuliani called for a "trial by combat" against Democrats on the same stage while Trump spent the whole day berating Vice President Pence because he wouldn't illegally steal the election for him.

4) The election was not stolen. Trump has had 2 months to provide evidence in the American court system and not done so. Normal democratic and legal routes were pursued and he lost.

5) The "honest man has nothing to hide" schtick is funny given the fact that Trump's divisive rhetoric about the election differed wildly versus what was presented in court. Who is the one lying to Americans?

6) Many states did recounts and offered transparency. No voter fraud was found. This in combination with Trump losing dozens of cases in the American court system! Where is all this stuff that is being hidden from Americans? Trump has been trying to steal this election and still it's somehow the other side being blamed for not wanting things looked into?? How does someone even formulate that logic?

7) Mere MINUTES before the Capitol was stormed senator Ted Cruz offered to create a 10-day electoral commission audit of the election and that if Democrats believed there was no evidence of fraud they should rest easy. Again, who is lying and abusing the trust of the American people?

8) Everyone deflecting towards people not being "upset enough" about BLM protests and riots are being disingenuous at best. I think the response from Biden, Democrat leaders, and the general public at large with the rioting was more than sufficient. It was condemned strongly. It's also been no contest between how Biden & Trump have handled both the BLM protests and Capitol storming. Trump has been a national disgrace.

9) What those being disingenuous really mean to offer is that they're upset the BLM/Antifa rioting wasn't damaging enough to Democrats. That's the ugly face of trying to draw a line connecting the riots to storming the Capitol.

10) The riots and looting have to be seen through the prism of social injustice and police reform. For many Americans, those are just causes. That doesn't condone some of the violent actions but there's a moral backstory to that pain. Hence, why the property destruction isn't as politically damaging to Democrats.

11) The riots and looting weren't a one-way street of blame, either. They still exposed problems w/r/t social justice and police tactics with plenty of innocent people being killed, injured, or arrested while protesting. This colors why more people weren't "upset enough" about property damage because it's not quite that black and white as if property damage or injured police were the only bad things to occur.

12) Juxtapose many of the BLM protests and the police response to Wednesday's storming of the Capitol. There's a lot of digging to find out how the Capitol Police failed so miserably but the way people who stormed the Capitol were allowed to just leave freely is a massive failure in every way and only sharpens the critique in this country that white people get treated differently.

13) People stormed the Capitol because they believed the lie that the election was stolen and are being anti-American traitors by trying to steal a fair election. People rioted because of social injustice. These two things are not on equal moral planes.

14) Riots have happened all throughout US history. Storming the Capitol to steal an election is a complete shock to the American system. Yesterday, the Iranian president said how fragile Western democracy is and that a populist led this country to disaster. He shouldn't be right but he is! This is not okay!

15) I really can't stress enough how Republicans have been trying to steal the election, which led to storming the Capitol of the United States, and the pro-Trump posters in this thread have been blaming damn near everyone else (BLM protests, Antifa, media, Dems) while refusing to deal with the undemocratic nonsense that led to this mess.

Lastly, storming the Capitol to take down the American flag in favor of the Trump flag says it all. Party over country.

Very well said. How anyone can support in any way this insurrection with words, deeds or funding while espousing law and order is beyond me.
 

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He's got another week or so and then you can start the healing process. You seem stable so it should only take a few decades with the right team of shrinks.

Sorry you didn't get another 4 years. And won't in 2024.
Swamp is getting drained.
Peace to you proud boys
 

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In Michigan,
Chatfield Looking to Betray Gun Owners?
(Great Lakes Gun Rights, November 30, 2020)

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If the rumors are true, this would be yet the latest example of Speaker Chatfield turning his back on grassroots activists who are concerned about the future of liberty here in Michigan.

Just recently, Chatfield called attempts to impeach Governor Whitmer for her flagrant violations of state law “shameful,” even equating the calls to hold her accountable to the dog and pony show Congressional Democrats tried to pull on President Trump.

Whose side is Chatfield on?

What exactly does "hold her accountable" mean? Of course, this was after the FBI broke up the plot to kidnap and kill her.

Michigan Bans Open Carry Of Guns At Polling Sites On Election Day, Sparking Anger From Second Amendment Advocates (Forbes)

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel backed the decision saying, “an armed presence at the polls is inconsistent with our notion of a free democracy.”

The president of Michigan Open Carry Joey Roberts told The Detroit News his organization may file a lawsuit because it doesn’t believe Benson has the authority to impose the policy and disagrees with the assertion that going to a polling place with a gun qualifies as voter intimidation.

Rep. Triston Cole, a Republican member of the Michigan House of Representatives, called it “an in your face unconstitutional ban," noting the areas are not designated as gun free zones, and said, “Democrats want to take your guns and your Second Amendment rights away."

How many of these groups traveled to DC and broke into Congress with backpacks and weapons? How many have traveled to other states ready to fight and riot? DC is the seat of evil after all.
 
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