Trump Presidency

[Bishop2b5]

Like he did the swine flu... I mean his track record isn't good.

He'll say all the right things though. You know the thing.

That's what's funny about all this and those who voted for him because they think he'll do this or that or accomplish great things. He spent decades in DC and was one of the most unaccomplished legislators ever. Basically just a no-waves, smile & wave, say the right things, toe-the-party-line, dependable guy. Then eight forgettable years as VP with nothing of note accomplished. Other than the 90's crime bill, he's the DC version of a fern or a block of processed cheese. Not a bad guy, just a classic career politician with hardly anything of substance accomplished. Several decades in DC and NOW he's going to fix things? Really? Why didn't he fix any of those things in his first 45+ years in town? What in his history would give anyone a reason to believe that NOW he'll do great things?

 

[Bishop2b5]

That was my point --- the barrage of posts which make things "personal." I don't do that (at least not deliberately or as a personal signature characteristic.) You will probably admit that you in fact DO interact that way, thus my inquiry which you did not answer. That's OK. It's not a curiosity that I need answers to; I just find the behavior difficult to relate to.

I appreciate your contributions, Mike, and get where you're coming from. I'd love for all of us to be able to actually have reasonable, intelligent, adult conversations about Trump and politics in general, even if we disagree. Four years of "ORANGE MAN BADDDDDDDDDDD!" from a select few as a reply to EVERYTHING makes it impossible to do so. I try not to, but I've gotten frustrated at times and sunk to personal attacks and anger as a result.

 

[Irish YJ]

Swine Flu deaths in this country 12500
https://www.beckershospitalreview.c...-about-the-world-s-last-pandemic-in-2009.html

Covid 19 Deaths in this country to date
245,000
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/

Is the next part of the argument where we hear
" Surely those numbers are exaggerated""

These numbers are growing as predicted by Fauchi and others.

What is this administration doing about it?
Trying to negate American votes and pissing on the democracy and try to win by a technicality??!
It's absolutely delusional.

What a Patriotic action that trump is putting forth.
"We have it under control" "It's going away" "Fauchi is an idiot"
" It will be like a miracle and just go away"
How many of those things are true or can't to fruition?

That press conference at the Four Seasons Hotel
... I mean lawn care company was really spectacular though

Update: maga rally and trumper today is tweeting this very morning that is was "Rigged" While he goes golfing
https://www.esquire.com/news-politi...aga-march-donald-trump-rally-wave-supporters/

Where Tyrone Willingham chose golf over recruiting,
don trump chooses golf over our Country.
Can't work 24 house a day but you have to do your job.

LOL...

How old are you?

Can you stay on topic?

Can you have any conversation without going full TDS?

Biden's response to the swine flu was crap. Had it turned out to be as deadly as Covid, it's would have been horrible. In simple terms, he dodged a bullet.

 

[Irish YJ]

That was my point --- the barrage of posts which make things "personal." I don't do that (at least not deliberately or as a personal signature characteristic.) You will probably admit that you in fact DO interact that way, thus my inquiry which you did not answer. That's OK. It's not a curiosity that I need answers to; I just find the behavior difficult to relate to.

I go hard at folks that 1) are hypocritical, 2) don't post in good faith or are intellectually dishonest, and sometimes 3) folks that like to portray themselves as above the fray, as objective and open yet are squarely set in their beliefs and closed.

I have zero delusion that anyone will change anyone's mind. I am happy to debate logically and factually.

You seem to like to watch, chirp without engaging. It's like you like to speak and/or make a point, but are afraid to engage directly. That doesn't bother me, but I find it interesting that you're curious/critical of those mixing it up.

 

[arahop]

LOL...

How old are you?

Can you stay on topic?

Can you have any conversation without going full TDS?

Biden's response to the swine flu was crap. Had it turned out to be as deadly as Covid, it's would have been horrible. In simple terms, he dodged a bullet.

So you're still in the land of theoretical scenarios...
Comparisons between Covid and H1N1?

Your argument is "Biden would have done horrible"?
Last I checked Biden is promoting masks and social distancing.
As well as holding meetings and listening to scientists on how we safely open the country.

A generational pandemic isn't what is happening now.
How was the maga rally today?
Looks like a lot of cases got laughed out of the court.
Do you have any more sources that can prove this "Rigged" Election?

 

[NorthDakota]

LOL...

How old are you?

Can you stay on topic?

Can you have any conversation without going full TDS?

Biden's response to the swine flu was crap. Had it turned out to be as deadly as Covid, it's would have been horrible. In simple terms, he dodged a bullet.

I love anytime anyone tries to compare china Flu to swine flu based on numbers because its a great opportunity to call them an idiot.

Thats like comparing a small town North Dakota basketball player's statistics to Beethoven's symphonies. Completely different animals that can't be compared lol.

 

[Irish YJ]

That's what's funny about all this and those who voted for him because they think he'll do this or that or accomplish great things. He spent decades in DC and was one of the most unaccomplished legislators ever. Basically just a no-waves, smile & wave, say the right things, toe-the-party-line, dependable guy. Then eight forgettable years as VP with nothing of note accomplished. Other than the 90's crime bill, he's the DC version of a fern or a block of processed cheese. Not a bad guy, just a classic career politician with hardly anything of substance accomplished. Several decades in DC and NOW he's going to fix things? Really? Why didn't he fix any of those things in his first 45+ years in town? What in his history would give anyone a reason to believe that NOW he'll do great things?

It's not really about Biden for most that voted for him. I don't think anyone honestly believes he's a good or effective politician. He's just not Trump. Dems really didn't have a true message. It was just rallying around all things anti-Trump.

If Trump wasn't such a dick nozzle, folks would have simply embraced the results. He's not even really all that conservative. He's definitely not a neocon.

 

[Old Man Mike]

IYJ made my open inquiry personal again (frustrating "technique") so I decided to check my postings in this thread by going back 5 pages --- I didn't have the patience for more than that. During that time I made seven posts (a scholar-like response to Whiskey's great article; an objective concern about how Homeland Security must be stressed about the post-transition possibilities; A statement clarifying some legal matter; a comment about how a man that I knew had a profile of action like the current executive; and the three posts associated with my current inquiry.) None of these mentioned anyone in IE specifically nor anyone's arguments until IYJ made not addressing him impossible. Only information or admitted hypotheses were transmitted.

Simply comparing numbers: during those five pages of posts, IYJ led all posters with 23 entries (Arahop had 18, NoDa 17; and RDU 16.) I don't find the tenor of those posts very much like the atmosphere written into my own. That's why I asked my question.

I had a good friend with whom I was visiting New Mexico investigating a UFO case. He was going to meet with other members of our organization and I knew that the meeting was going to be "awkward" to say the least. I mentioned to him that I wasn't looking forward to the confrontation. He simply smiled an icy smile and said "I relish a good jawboning." I never looked at him quite the same way again.

 

[Irish YJ]

I love anytime anyone tries to compare china Flu to swine flu based on numbers because its a great opportunity to call them an idiot.

Thats like comparing a small town North Dakota basketball player's statistics to Beethoven's symphonies. Completely different animals that can't be compared lol.

Swine flue was a nothingburger. We would have been up shit crick had it been bad.

I don't see Biden doing anything to impact Covid. The tune will change on vaccines/meds though I'm sure. From rushed/unsafe, to a product of their enhanced vetting and oversight. Superspreader riots and dem celebrations will still be tolerated.

 

[Irish YJ]

IYJ made my open inquiry personal again (frustrating "technique") so I decided to check my postings in this thread by going back 5 pages --- I didn't have the patience for more than that. During that time I made seven posts (a scholar-like response to Whiskey's great article; an objective concern about how Homeland Security must be stressed about the post-transition possibilities; A statement clarifying some legal matter; a comment about how a man that I knew had a profile of action like the current executive; and the three posts associated with my current inquiry.) None of these mentioned anyone in IE specifically nor anyone's arguments until IYJ made not addressing him impossible. Only information or admitted hypotheses were transmitted.

Simply comparing numbers: during those five pages of posts, IYJ led all posters with 23 entries (Arahop had 18, NoDa 17; and RDU 16.) I don't find the tenor of those posts very much like the atmosphere written into my own. That's why I asked my question.

I had a good friend with whom I was visiting New Mexico investigating a UFO case. He was going to meet with other members of our organization and I knew that the meeting was going to be "awkward" to say the least. I mentioned to him that I wasn't looking forward to the confrontation. He simply smiled an icy smile and said "I relish a good jawboning." I never looked at him quite the same way again.

Mike, I appreciate your post in a lot of areas. You seem like a nice guy. You also seem like an academic that likes to provide your opinion, but not really debate your opinion if someone disagrees. You'll weigh in "openly", embrace those that agree with you, but act victim-ish when confronted. Why ask a question "openly" about the "jawboning" nature of the thread, and not expect a response. You're "open", but obvious non-direct replies, to other posts seems pretty passive aggressive. You did the same thing when I "openly" called out an O-line player for getting abused on a few plays. You responded "openly" later basically refuting what I posted with a bit of a dig for my call out (even though the film was clear). If that's your style, great. Do you.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

So you're still in the land of theoretical scenarios...
Comparisons between Covid and H1N1?

Your argument is "Biden would have done horrible"?
Last I checked Biden is promoting masks and social distancing.
As well as holding meetings and listening to scientists on how we safely open the country.

A generational pandemic isn't what is happening now.
How was the maga rally today?
Looks like a lot of cases got laughed out of the court.
Do you have any more sources that can prove this "Rigged" Election?

You're a clown with zero substance. Conversation with you is absolutely pointless because as soon as you're met with facts you don't like, you pivot and repeat the same old "trumpism" garbage.

 

[GoIrish41]

You're a clown with zero substance. Conversation with you is absolutely pointless because as soon as you're met with facts you don't like, you pivot and repeat the same old "trumpism" garbage.

Consistency is important. Glad to see you not backing down from being a complete dick who refuses to see the irony of his own post. Zero substance should be your handle on IE.

 

[NorthDakota]

Consistency is important. Glad to see you not backing down from being a complete dick who refuses to see the irony of his own post. Zero substance should be your handle on IE.

Still waiting to hear where your bastion of culture and people is. How much longer will we be waiting to find out how wrong you were?

 

[GoIrish41]

Still waiting to hear where your bastion of culture and people is. How much longer will we be waiting to find out how wrong you were?

The 75 million of them just voted your guy out and rejected his dumb-assery.

 

[NorthDakota]

The 75 million of them just voted your guy out and rejected his dumb-assery.

Where?

 

[Irish YJ]

Where?

A) Mom's basement in Philly
or
B) Some occupy zone in Cali

 

[ulukinatme]

So you're still in the land of theoretical scenarios...
Comparisons between Covid and H1N1?

Your argument is "Biden would have done horrible"?
Last I checked Biden is promoting masks and social distancing.
As well as holding meetings and listening to scientists on how we safely open the country.

Dude...60 million contracted H1N1 while Biden was in office. That's more cases than Covid incidents globally. If H1N1 had been as deadly as Covid the deaths under Obama and Biden would have been 2 million and not 200,000. Biden telling anyone how to handle the virus is laughable, but he's not advocating for anything the CDC and doctors haven't already been preaching all year: use masks and socially distance. There's no other magical formula to fight this until the vaccine is released, it's not like Biden is going to say "Everyone do cartwheels, they prevent virus spread!"

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

Dude...60 million contracted H1N1 while Biden was in office. That's more cases than Covid incidents globally. If H1N1 had been as deadly as Covid the deaths under Obama and Biden would have been 2 million and not 200,000. Biden telling anyone how to handle the virus is laughable, but he's not advocating for anything the CDC and doctors haven't already been preaching all year: use masks and socially distance. There's no other magical formula to fight this until the vaccine is released, it's not like Biden is going to say "Everyone do cartwheels, they prevent virus spread!"

But if the swine flu was as deadly as Covid, would so many people have caught the swine flu? Wouldn’t the response and actions presumably have been different had the swine flu been so fatal? Can’t play the hypothetical game without playing the whole hypothetical game.

 

[Irish YJ]

But if the swine flu was as deadly as Covid, would so many people have caught the swine flu? Wouldn’t the response and actions presumably have been different had the swine flu been so fatal? Can’t play the hypothetical game without playing the whole hypothetical game.

Swine flu originated in MX, so the proximity alone was a challenge. It infected 60M in less than a year. Biden got off message early (Obama's fixers had to clean that up). Then the vaccine process, and output was a cluster. They had to publicly walk back their commitment and timeline.

Then they had dosage issues, form issues (nasal that at risk couldn't use). Then shortages caused panics. Fauci even had to go in front of congress and admit the administration created false expectations, and continued the charade even after they knew the timeline wouldn't be met.

We were just lucky that H1N1 did the opposite of Covid. Instead of going after the old, it went after the young, who could fend it off better. There's a ton out there about the bungling. In short, we dodged a bullet, and Biden did nothing special. There's not really a different/better way he could have handled things had it turned out to be more dangerous.

 

[GoIrish41]

Where?

Everywhere!

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Consistency is important. Glad to see you not backing down from being a complete dick who refuses to see the irony of his own post. Zero substance should be your handle on IE.

Haha...I'm happy to engage in back and forth convo with anyone. Arahop can't handle it or isn't equipped to handle it. It's like talking to robot.

The difference between you and me is that if/ when Biden moves into the White House in January, I won't run and hide for a year on a therapist's couch like you did in 2016 when Trump won.

 

[Irish#1]

He has won fair and square. It would take a systematic voter fraud. Which there isn't any proof that it would change the results.
Point is
That trump believes he could only lose because of a rigged election.
Your talking about points that pale in comparison to the pandemic.
Tariffs and immigration are small matters.
trump and his loyalists fail to acknowledge the war we are facing with this pandemic.
You've missed that point as well

No, I didn’t miss the point. I’m talking strictly about counting votes nothing more, nothing less. You wanted to interject another subject into the matter. I simply pointed out that you waved a shiny object hoping I wouldn’t see your slight of hand. Jump over to the COVID-19 discussion if you want to discuss Trump’s efforts there.

 

[GoIrish41]

Haha...I'm happy to engage in back and forth convo with anyone. Arahop can't handle it or isn't equipped to handle it. It's like talking to robot.

The difference between you and me is that if/ when Biden moves into the White House in January, I won't run and hide for a year on a therapist's couch like you did in 2016 when Trump won.

That’s unfortunate. I was really looking forward to you being gone.

 

[Irish YJ]

Haha...I'm happy to engage in back and forth convo with anyone. Arahop can't handle it or isn't equipped to handle it. It's like talking to robot.

The difference between you and me is that if/ when Biden moves into the White House in January, I won't run and hide for a year on a therapist's couch like you did in 2016 when Trump won.

Can you imagine the decrease in therapist revenue over the next 3-4 years?

Time to sell stock in crayons, coloring books, and playdoh.

Along the same lines, I heard AT&T is looking to sell off CNN. They need the $ to pay off debt, and forecast already bad CNN ratings dropping off even more due to lack of anyone to hate.

 

[GoIrish41]

Can you imagine the decrease in therapist revenue over the next 3-4 years?

Time to sell stock in crayons, coloring books, and playdoh.

Along the same lines, I heard AT&T is looking to sell off CNN. They need the $ to pay off debt, and forecast already bad CNN ratings dropping off even more due to lack of anyone to hate.

Who gives a damn about TV ratings? Maybe it’s time for the country to pay some more meaningful metrics. When the president is a game show host with a loyal audience ratings will be high. But if everyone is just watching the show nothing gets done.

 

[Irish YJ]

Who gives a damn about TV ratings? Maybe it’s time for the country to pay some more meaningful metrics. When the president is a game show host with a loyal audience ratings will be high. But if everyone is just watching the show nothing gets done.

Dude, get over your TDS. I'm guessing you've been glued to MSNBC and CNN the past 4 years and soaking it all in.

Biden has been one of the biggest do-nothing politicians and wafflers in the last 40 years. 36 years as a Delaware Senator lol... He's been good at two things. Keeping his seat, and enriching his family.

I don't see much being accomplished. We'll be softer on China our biggest threat, pay more to subsidize and defend Europe, backslide on trade deals, raise taxes, add many more Christmas tree ornaments on bills, and creep farther towards socialism. And nothing will be "healed".

Good times.

 

[GoIrish41]

Dude, get over your TDS. I'm guessing you've been glued to MSNBC and CNN the past 4 years and soaking it all in.

Biden has been one of the biggest do-nothing politicians and wafflers in the last 40 years. 36 years as a Delaware Senator lol... He's been good at two things. Keeping his seat, and enriching his family.

I don't see much being accomplished. We'll be softer on China our biggest threat, pay more to subsidize and defend Europe, backslide on trade deals, raise taxes, add many more Christmas tree ornaments on bills, and creep farther towards socialism. And nothing will be "healed".

Good times.

That you think a Biden presidency ushers in an age of socialism tells me all I need to know about the level of reason. You should be happy about his incompetence if you believe he wants to push us toward Bernie’s vision. But I’ll settle for his potential shortcomings than the certainty of continued failure of governance through petulance of Trump.

 

[Irish YJ]

That you think a Biden presidency ushers in an age of socialism tells me all I need to know about the level of reason. You should be happy about his incompetence if you believe he wants to push us toward Bernie’s vision. But I’ll settle for his potential shortcomings than the certainty of continued failure of governance through petulance of Trump.

I mean, he made promises to the pro-socialist groups like Bernie and Warren for key positions... But yes, I do take solace in the fact he's a do nothing guy consumed by self interest and has a track record of waffling to maintain his position...

The so called failure kept us out of wars, decreased our subsidization of other countries, maintained a good economy and lowered unemployment, criminal justice reform, decreased illegal immigration, and took a much needed harder stance vs China. Those are good things despite his bad personality.....

But hey, keep hanging on to your blue tinted view.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

That’s unfortunate. I was really looking forward to you being gone.

I bet you would! I slap you around on here like teams are beating up Michigan football in 2020.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Who gives a damn about TV ratings? Maybe it’s time for the country to pay some more meaningful metrics. When the president is a game show host with a loyal audience ratings will be high. But if everyone is just watching the show nothing gets done.

Agreed, let's pay attention over the next 4 years to the following and see how the Green New Disaster levels up:

GDP growth
Stock market numbers
Unemployment numbers
Median wage growth