Trump Presidency

[arahop]

I love anytime anyone tries to compare china Flu to swine flu based on numbers because its a great opportunity to call them an idiot.

Thats like comparing a small town North Dakota basketball player's statistics to Beethoven's symphonies. Completely different animals that can't be compared lol.

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[NorthDakota]

proud boy comment

Lol this is why we make fun of you, you know that right?

 

[drayer54]

That you think a Biden presidency ushers in an age of socialism tells me all I need to know about the level of reason. You should be happy about his incompetence if you believe he wants to push us toward Bernie’s vision. But I’ll settle for his potential shortcomings than the certainty of continued failure of governance through petulance of Trump.

We don't deserve to know what kind of government Biden will offer. He didn't want to tell us.

We're only left to speculate. His Veep doesn't do press conferences and he only offers broad ideas. His website offers some clues, but it just appears to be drafted by lobbyists.

My biggest fear with Biden, beyond the executive pen, is that his foreign policy record is worse than Michigan's football team. That quote about Biden being wrong on every foreign policy decision is true. His Veep isn't qualified for the job and he will likely be leaning in on advisors who are likely not moderates. We're probably going to send another plane of cash to Tehran, planes of money to other nations in a bogus climate deal, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find a new war to participate in.

As for the socialism bit- his party has a vocal and very socialist wing and they have expectations from Joe. We're going to see who drives the bus, but a man who tosses around the term Bidencare and has a veep who had a UBI plan at least has a plausible path to socialist policies.

I'm just hoping he stays in the basement the whole time.

 

[Rocket89]

Umm, where were you the past four years???

Well, I was witnessing the GOP make a priority of being the Party of the Aggrieved and unable to take any blame whatsoever for any of their failings, leading to adopting Trump's sense of persecution and culminating in the belief that the election was rigged against him.

Think about this: Not a single Trump defender in this thread has even once attempted to criticize his defeat in the election, and maybe more importantly, how they ran their campaign. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault from Trump himself to Trump defenders.

 

[bobbyok1]

Well, I was witnessing the GOP make a priority of being the Party of the Aggrieved and unable to take any blame whatsoever for any of their failings, leading to adopting Trump's sense of persecution and culminating in the belief that the election was rigged against him.

Think about this: Not a single Trump defender in this thread has even once attempted to criticize his defeat in the election, and maybe more importantly, how they ran their campaign. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault from Trump himself to Trump defenders.

That is because Trump didn't lose. Biden is not "President-Elect". And sooner than later widespread election fraud will be revealed in full showing Trump won by a large margin. Finally Trump will be re-elected for a second term, and a large step towards "Draining the Swamp" will be achieved.

Yes, I know, myself and others like me are "quack job conspiracy theorist." Enjoy your laughs and mocking, it will only be fun for a few more weeks.

P.S. This is not suggesting he didn't screw up on certain steps towards a re-election effort. He did. It is simply refusing to embrace a bogus narrative that he lost. He won despite missteps, and by a large margin.

 

[Rocket89]

That is because Trump didn't lose. Biden is not "President-Elect". And sooner than later widespread election fraud will be revealed in full showing Trump won by a large margin. Finally Trump will be re-elected for a second term, and a large step towards "Draining the Swamp" will be achieved.

Yes, I know, myself and others like me are "quack job conspiracy theorist." Enjoy your laughs and mocking, it will only be fun for a few more weeks.

P.S. This is not suggesting he didn't screw up on certain steps towards a re-election effort. He did. It is simply refusing to embrace a bogus narrative that he lost. He won despite missteps, and by a large margin.

Sure, man.

 

[bobbyok1]

Sure, man.

See you in a few weeks

 

[Rocket89]

See you in a few weeks

Is that when you'll be reporting back to us once you've joined Rudy Giuliani's legal team since all of the other lawyers are jumping ship now?

 

[bobbyok1]

Is that when you'll be reporting back to us once you've joined Rudy Giuliani's legal team since all of the other lawyers are jumping ship now?

That's what you'd like to believe, that all of Trumps lawyers are jumping ship. Far from the truth. Why did those small number of lawyers jump ship? Love to hear your perspective?

 

[Rocket89]

That's what you'd like to believe, that all of Trumps lawyers are jumping ship. Far from the truth. Why did those small number of lawyers jump ship? Love to hear your perspective?

Typically, lawyers don't like to be disbarred for lying in court.

 

[bobbyok1]

Typically, lawyers don't like to be disbarred for lying in court.

Or, they don't like to lose business. Enough external pressure can make any unprincipled coward bow.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

That is because Trump didn't lose. Biden is not "President-Elect". And sooner than later widespread election fraud will be revealed in full showing Trump won by a large margin. Finally Trump will be re-elected for a second term, and a large step towards "Draining the Swamp" will be achieved.

Yes, I know, myself and others like me are "quack job conspiracy theorist." Enjoy your laughs and mocking, it will only be fun for a few more weeks.

P.S. This is not suggesting he didn't screw up on certain steps towards a re-election effort. He did. It is simply refusing to embrace a bogus narrative that he lost. He won despite missteps, and by a large margin.

Dude, in your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe what you just typed? Like, seriously?

 

[Rocket89]

Or, they don't like to lose business. Enough external pressure can make any unprincipled coward bow.

And thus, lawyers are happy to take Trump's money until it's time to get into the court room and argue in front of a judge.

 

[bobbyok1]

And thus, lawyers are happy to take Trump's money until it's time to get into the court room and argue in front of a judge.

If that's your view, stick with it brother

 

[bobbyok1]

Dude, in your heart of hearts, do you honestly believe what you just typed? Like, seriously?

Thanks for your form of mocking "you don't seriously believe that do you?" Another form of "no serious minded/thinking person believes Trump won."

Yes I do. And yes, many highly intelligent people believe the same. So, your veiled attempt to shame/mock people you disagree with as unintelligent fails flat with me.

Like I said, for those who don't believe what many are saying (which I summed up in the post you're replying to), I'll see you in few weeks.

 

[TorontoGold]

Thanks for your form of mocking "you don't seriously believe that do you?" Another form of "no serious minded/thinking person believes Trump won."

Yes I do. And yes, many highly intelligent people believe the same. So, your veiled attempt to shame/mock people you disagree with as unintelligent fails flat with me.

Like I said, for those who don't believe what many are saying (which I summed up in the post you're replying to), I'll see you in few weeks.

Who?

 

[NorthDakota]

That is because Trump didn't lose. Biden is not "President-Elect". And sooner than later widespread election fraud will be revealed in full showing Trump won by a large margin. Finally Trump will be re-elected for a second term, and a large step towards "Draining the Swamp" will be achieved.

Yes, I know, myself and others like me are "quack job conspiracy theorist." Enjoy your laughs and mocking, it will only be fun for a few more weeks.

P.S. This is not suggesting he didn't screw up on certain steps towards a re-election effort. He did. It is simply refusing to embrace a bogus narrative that he lost. He won despite missteps, and by a large margin.

I'm as conservative as it gets. You'll want to let this one go. Trump won close in 2016, and lost close in 2020 by any way courts are gonna look at it.

Was the turnout in some areas goofy? Yeah. I think that has a lot to do with states making voting by mail more available. Donald is a polarizing guy.

If a dude came from the future and told me that Donald got screwed I wouldn't doubt it, but you gotta be able to prove it and that's pretty hard.

Hell its pretty impressive he kept it so close with everything going on. Just win the GA Senate races and President Biden turns into a douchebag version of Jimmie Carter.

 

[bobbyok1]

Who?

For one . . . Not the only one . . . I'll share more as time allows today. Many more statistical analysts have done research on the highly improbable nature of the tally of votes and the nature with which they came in. This is one of many widespread issues with election fraud.

Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, holds four degrees from MIT, is a world-renowned systems scientist, inventor and entrepreneur.

https://youtu.be/Ztu5Y5obWPk

If don't have the time to watch, the video is showing a non-natural recording of vote counts in the 4 largest counties in Michigan (and many other counties and states no researched here). A pattern that can only be attributed an artificial program. The allegation being, software was used to flips votes from Biden to Trump.

If your unwilling to watch the video and give critical response after viewing, I have no intention of replying to smears of the video or its contents to those who didn't bother watching.

 

[TorontoGold]

For one . . . Not the only one . . . I'll share more as time allows today. Many more statistical analysts have done research on the highly improbable nature of the tally of votes and the nature with which they came in. This is one of many widespread issues with election fraud.

Dr. V.A. Shiva Ayyadurai, holds four degrees from MIT, is a world-renowned systems scientist, inventor and entrepreneur.

https://youtu.be/Ztu5Y5obWPk

If don't have the time to watch, the video is showing a non-natural recording of vote counts in the 4 largest counties in Michigan (and many other counties and states no researched here). A pattern that can only be attributed an artificial program. The allegation being, software was used to flips votes from Biden to Trump.

If your unwilling to watch the video and give critical response after viewing, I have no intention of replying to smears of the video or its contents to those who didn't bother watching.

This guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai, right? That's the same guy in the video?

 

[bobbyok1]

I'm as conservative as it gets. You'll want to let this one go. Trump won close in 2016, and lost close in 2020 by any way courts are gonna look at it.

Was the turnout in some areas goofy? Yeah. I think that has a lot to do with states making voting by mail more available. Donald is a polarizing guy.

If a dude came from the future and told me that Donald got screwed I wouldn't doubt it, but you gotta be able to prove it and that's pretty hard.

Hell its pretty impressive he kept it so close with everything going on. Just win the GA Senate races and President Biden turns into a douchebag version of Jimmie Carter.

I understand your viewpoint. And I think this is exactly the problem with most of us who are conservative. We just roll over when there is opposition or a tough path forward. "Okay, let's just move on and work at bipartisanship going forward." Bipartisanship with who? Leadership and those in places of authority who lie, cheat and steal to win? (not speaking of the common American, but those political elites in power).

My main issue here is this: In my view, there is evidence emerging of widespread fraud in various manner by bad actors. This is both unconstitutional and highly dangerous. To simply ignore it and "move on" is in my view unprincipled, and if I may, cowardly.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Well, I was witnessing the GOP make a priority of being the Party of the Aggrieved and unable to take any blame whatsoever for any of their failings, leading to adopting Trump's sense of persecution and culminating in the belief that the election was rigged against him.

Think about this: Not a single Trump defender in this thread has even once attempted to criticize his defeat in the election, and maybe more importantly, how they ran their campaign. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault from Trump himself to Trump defenders.

You managed to completely avoid addressing the fake Russian collusion probe and four years of claiming 2016 was stolen and Trump wasn't legitimately elected, which is what I asked you about. You'd make a good spokesperson for a politician.

 

[bobbyok1]

This guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai, right? That's the same guy in the video?

So it is now obvious your initial question was insincere. You have zero intent of uncovering what is true no matter where it leads.

Your only intent was to attempt to find a way to discredit any suggested evidence of election fraud I presented, and in hopes of causing others to dismiss its possibility.

The fact that you went directly to Wikipedia as an "unbiased" source says volumes. And yes, I've read what Wikipedia says about him.

Have a good day

 

[Rocket89]

You managed to completely avoid addressing the fake Russian collusion probe and four years of claiming 2016 was stolen and Trump wasn't legitimately elected, which is what I asked you about. You'd make a good spokesperson for a politician.

Actually, the Special Counsel Investigation perfectly encapsulates my point. Through years of reading your comments I don't expect you to suddenly discover the nuance of the Mueller Report or why 34 people had charges brought against them for something that is "fake."

But, I do expect you to stay aggrieved.

 

[TorontoGold]

So it is now obvious your initial question was insincere. You have zero intent of uncovering what is true no matter where it leads.

Your only intent was to attempt to find a way to discredit any suggested evidence of election fraud I presented, and in hopes of causing others to dismiss its possibility.

The fact that you went directly to Wikipedia as an "unbiased" source says volumes. And yes, I've read what Wikipedia says about him.

Have a good day

I was genuinely curious as to who the highly intelligent and respected people were that you suggested. The only source provided was a guy who is universally discredited as being totally wrong on all fronts. The guy says he invented email, and literally nobody thinks that.

It was wrong to say that he is a "highly intelligent and respected" person. Can you imagine if I said "Rachel Maddow, non-partisan journalist" I would be laughed at.

 

[bobbyok1]

I was genuinely curious as to who the highly intelligent and respected people were that you suggested. The only source provided was a guy who is universally discredited as being totally wrong on all fronts. The guy says he invented email, and literally nobody thinks that.

It was wrong to say that he is a "highly intelligent and respected" person. Can you imagine if I said "Rachel Maddow, non-partisan journalist" I would be laughed at.

My apologies. I made assumptions based on partial information from you.

Agreed, that there are those who would not view Dr. Shiva as "respected." I would however dispute the idea that he is not highly intelligent. Just as I see Rachel Maddow as intelligent. I don't respect her, but I do see her as an intelligent women. So, I see your point.

The challenge here, is at this point, most of the intelligent people I have found working on exposing the fraud are Trump supporters or conservative. Therefore, the appearance or possibility of bias remains. If indeed these accusations of widespread election fraud begin to gain even more steam, which I fully expect they will, it is likely that only at that point will there be a host of those who are not conservative or Trump supporters to speak out or do their own research.

And yet, I do believe that we are near that tipping point where non-conservatives or non-Trump supporters will begin speaking out. I am not suggesting there is no evidence to this point from non-conservatives, simply I do not currently hold such research at my fingertips.

Below is a link from an IT guy who dug into the details of the voting numbers in key swing states (and other states) that have been made public. His numbers match up with the verified Michigan county where 5,000 plus votes were switched from Trump to Biden, only to be given back to Trump.

The "glitch" was found by a clerk in a republican county (to my point above, only those looking for glitches/election fraud are finding it). She did then did a hand count to verify the glitch did indeed flip 5k plus votes from Trump to Biden. Once the changes were corrected, that county flipped from blue to red. It was called a "glitch" or clerk entry error.

Again, this guys work in the link below unveils a host of "glitches", including the verified one from the MI county which was corrected. Yet, none of the others have been corrected at the time of this post to my knowledge.

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8O2wesk/happening-calling-every-pede-to-/

 

[Bishop2b5]

Actually, the Special Counsel Investigation perfectly encapsulates my point. Through years of reading your comments I don't expect you to suddenly discover the nuance of the Mueller Report or why 34 people had charges brought against them for something that is "fake."

But, I do expect you to stay aggrieved.

Charges aren't convictions, nobody was convicted of any Russian collusion, and no Russian collusion was shown to have happened. So yes, that WAS fake. Remember Adam Schiff telling us he'd seen the evidence? Remember it then not existing when Mueller looked for it and Schiff declining to comment when asked what that evidence had been that he'd seen? He lied, assuming such evidence would later be found. When it wasn't he was left exposed as having lied about it. The entire thing was fake and a misuse of power to handicap a duly elected president by falsely claiming his election wasn't legit. That your side did it shouldn't make it any less palatable to you. Again, you complained that cries of election tampering and fraud shouldn't be made without proof. I asked you why you hadn't been bothered by that the past four years when the Left did it and you've dodged the question yet again. Most of us hate intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy.

 

[TorontoGold]

My apologies. I made assumptions based on partial information from you.

Agreed, that there are those who would not view Dr. Shiva as "respected." I would however dispute the idea that he is not highly intelligent. Just as I would Rachel Maddow. I don't respect her, but I do see her as an intelligent women. So, I see your point.

The challenge here, is at this point, most of the intelligent people working on exposing the fraud are Trump supporters or conservative. Therefore, the appearance or possibility of bias remains. If indeed these accusations of widespread election fraud begin to gain even more steam, which I fully expect they will, it is likely that only at that point will there be those who are not conservative or Trump supporters to speak out or do their own research.

And yet, I do believe that we are near that tipping point where non-conservatives or non-Trump supporters will begin speaking out. I am not suggesting there is no evidence to this point from non-conservatives, simply I do not currently hold such research at my fingertips.

I would say, I do not think Dr. Shiva's work ought to be discredited by claims that he is not respected. I do think a person, if interested enough, ought to be open minded to his research in the video I provided. It is compelling, and only one example of many I have reviewed and processed through myself.

I think it's going to be nearly impossible to prove. I think the mail in votes coming in largely for Biden is more indicative of the strategies that have been talked about ad nasuem (Dems early/mail in vs GOP election day). Also, with 306 there would have to be multiple states with incredible fraud.

As an auditor, I know there are likely things that are fraudulent or wrong, but to materially misstate an election would take an incredible effort.

 

[RDU Irish]

How does Trump outperform relative to 2016 in every major metro EXCEPT Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit and Atlanta? The data is freaking obvious that the fix was in.

The problem is, even if they can prove it, it will be too late to do anything about it. Best I am hoping for is comprehensive process reform that allows these areas to get fixed like Florida did after the Broward county fiasco of 2000.

 

[Armyirish47]

How does Trump outperform relative to 2016 in every major metro EXCEPT Philly, Milwaukee, Detroit and Atlanta? The data is freaking obvious that the fix was in.

The problem is, even if they can prove it, it will be too late to do anything about it. Best I am hoping for is comprehensive process reform that allows these areas to get fixed like Florida did after the Broward county fiasco of 2000.

But President Trump did outperform in Philly. He lost ground in the 'Burgh and the burbs. Are you seeing different information?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/07/how-pennsylvania-was-won-434974

 

[bobbyok1]

I think it's going to be nearly impossible to prove. I think the mail in votes coming in largely for Biden is more indicative of the strategies that have been talked about ad nasuem (Dems early/mail in vs GOP election day). Also, with 306 there would have to be multiple states with incredible fraud.

As an auditor, I know there are likely things that are fraudulent or wrong, but to materially misstate an election would take an incredible effort.

I agree overall. I do think it would be out of the norm of what we have seen in our lifetimes to see an election "overturned." The amount of evidence needed would need to be highly significant.

I guess that is where I differ from many on the conservative side. I think we have resolved that the best we can see is an election process clean up. I think there is more possible than that. And yes, it would be a new event for all of us to witness, but I do not think that makes it impossible, simply unseen in our lifetimes.

I edited my previous post to you, and included the content below. I think this is one of many forms of "overwhelming evidence" that is mounting to show widespread election fraud. In short, the widespread nature would have come largely through statistical manipulation of the Dominion voting systems and accompanying software.

Below is a link from an IT guy who dug into the details of the voting numbers in key swing states (and other states) that have been made public. His numbers match up with the verified Michigan county where 5,000 plus votes were switched from Trump to Biden, only to be given back to Trump.

The "glitch" was found by a clerk in a republican county (to my point above, only those looking for glitches/election fraud are finding it). She did then did a hand count to verify the glitch did indeed flip 5k plus votes from Trump to Biden. Once the changes were corrected, that county flipped from blue to red. It was called a "glitch" or clerk entry error.

Again, this guys work in the link below unveils a host of "glitches", including the verified one from the MI county which was corrected. Yet, none of the others have been corrected at the time of this post to my knowledge.

https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8O2wesk/h...very-pede-to-/