I think you guys might be overstating how much Pence “won” just because he articulated his position with polish. I’m still waiting for the 538 focus group poll, which is one of the few truly legit debate ones, but the only “real” poll I saw from tonight had Kamala winning handily mainly because of women. We have no women on this board, and we lean right. So we have a warped perspective.
The poll I saw basically had women breaking 2-for-1 for Harris and men being even 50/50 split. The poll also had pretty even sampling close to one third each Democrat, Republican, and independent.
Harris was clearly told to follow the rules and not screw anything up. Her only truly “bad” moment was on the court packing, besides that it was just her passing up attack opportunities.
My personal opinion I give the nod to Pence, as I said in the other thread, but it’s by a small margin and I think a lot of women would say Harris won.
Isn't that the whole point of a debate? Being able to articulate your views on various issues. This wasn't going to change many people's opinions on who to vote for but just judging on the merits of the debate.
I thought Kamala was flustered, lacked substance, and was pretty rough on multiple topics. Trump tax cuts, Foreign Policy, Green New Deal, Fracking, Packing the courts. All positions that she either refused to answer, didn't articulate well, or took the opposite stance during the debate than previously on record and refused to explain the changes. It's a debate, you don't win points by changing your mind and not explaining why. In fact, that's the opposite of what it's for. Inform the people on what separates you from your opposition.
I thought she did well on her opening Covid bit. Her 'top cop' background shined through but other than that, a serious lack of substance.
Yea, identity politics is real. We shouldn't be judging who won the debate based on sex and race but this is 2020 so we're going too.
