Trump Presidency

[connor_in]

time for another false flag terrorism attack perhaps?

Well, if Trump is Hitler, as we are being told, I suppose that means the Capitol building will be in for a hot time???

 

[tussin]

My problem with 'Republicans' as the Republicans of which we speak is two-fold. And most of this has been addressed by others. (1)They are obstructionist as hell, they rarely having an original idea of any kind; and, (2)they whine, and complain, and shirk responsibility for their own misdeeds (actions) much more effectively and often that their contemporaries.

...and you are naive enough to think that only the GOP exhibits these problems?

Your last 5 posts have been walls of text filled with partisan garbage. It really pisses me off how you talk about Democratic platitudes with such a moral authority and completely ignore the fact that A) half of America doesn't support the Democratic agenda, B) there are intellectual arguments against most Democratic policies, and C) the failures of the Obama administration have shown that many policies in the Democratic platform simply aren't effective in meeting their stated goals.

 

[dublinirish]

Well, if Trump is Hitler, as we are being told, I suppose that means the Capitol building will be in for a hot time???

you think Melania would take a cyanide pill for Old Donald?

 

[connor_in]

you think Melania would take a cyanide pill for Old Donald?

Dude...you are compressing the timeline too much...thats years from now

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I didn't realize he had to deal with your posts that often.

What you may want to remember, while in the midst of your smarmy self-adulation, is the meltdown is occurring at distinct points far away from the left, or liberal elements.

The house's first move, to gut Ethics legislation, made a big impression on a whole lot of people!

And watch healthcare stocks continue to plunge with the uncertainty of today's political environment!

My thesis is and has been that the left and the right are dependent upon each other, as opposed to either with the middle.

Only someone on the (far) right would see the triumph of this moment. They forget they need the middle to get anything done. They are far more dependent on the middle than even the left, because the left invariably is nicer to the core of the middle.

So have some fun. You deserve it. Keep insulting people and acting like a poor winner. It's all good, man!

I've insulted no one outside of poking a little jab at GoIrish41, which he and I have been doing for years. I will continue laughing at people calling Trump Hitler, and college kids having "cry ins" because of Trump, and Hollywood liberals lecturing us about income inequality while wearing $15,000 outfits. It's all fantastic entertainment.

I hope you enjoy the show, too!

 

[connor_in]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pelosi says Bush is to blame for $9 trillion in debt added under Obama <a href="https://t.co/t7LgD9MZh1">https://t.co/t7LgD9MZh1</a> <a href="https://t.co/lVGIOizb8J">pic.twitter.com/lVGIOizb8J</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/819974061765881856">January 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[drayer54]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pelosi says Bush is to blame for $9 trillion in debt added under Obama <a href="https://t.co/t7LgD9MZh1">https://t.co/t7LgD9MZh1</a> <a href="https://t.co/lVGIOizb8J">pic.twitter.com/lVGIOizb8J</a></p>— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) <a href="https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/819974061765881856">January 13, 2017</a></blockquote>
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While some sheep may follow this clown still, I am happy to see her still holding the reigns to the democratic party. She has done an excellent job keeping the house red and her legacy insignificant.

 

[IrishinSyria]

GOP has proven brilliance in opposition. Now it's time to see if they can govern. Last time they had the reigns they choked.

 

[kmoose]

GOP has proven brilliance in opposition....

No, they haven't. They failed to keep the ACA from becoming law; they failed to defund DHS and Planned Parenthood; and they failed to block the TPP as well. I'm not saying that I favor them succeeding in any of these endeavors, but liberals have been trying to use hyperbole to paint this picture that the GOP has practically stopped the government from doing anything.

 

[BGIF]

The Dems have their birther issue.

The Dems have their birther issue.

John Lewis: Donald Trump is not a 'legitimate' president - CNNPolitics.com

Washington (CNN)Civil rights icon Rep. John Lewis says he doesn't see President-elect Donald Trump as a "legitimate" commander in chief following Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

"I don't see this President-elect as a legitimate president," Lewis, a Georgia Democrat, told NBC News' Chuck Todd in a clip released Friday. "I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected. And they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton."

Lewis is an elder statesman in the party, especially among older black voters who know him from his time leading the "Bloody Sunday" march protesting segregation in Alabama in 1965. Lewis was eventually elected to Congress in 1986.

Lewis also said he planned to skip Trump's inauguration next week, which he said would be the first ceremony he would not attend since coming to Washington.

A week ago Vice President Biden told Rep. Pramila Jayapal, WA-D, and other dissidents in the Democratic party, at a joint session of Congress that formally certified the elections, "It's over. There is no debate."

Despite the 50 States certifying the results, despite the Election College certifiying the results, despite the Joint Session of Congress certifying the results, John Lewis has his "birther" issue and the whiners will continue to blame anyone, other than the candidate that destroyed her own candidacy.

 

[NorthDakota]

John Lewis: Donald Trump is not a 'legitimate' president - CNNPolitics.com




A week ago Vice President Biden told Rep. Pramila Jayapal, WA-D, and other dissidents in the Democratic party, at a joint session of Congress that formally certified the elections, "It's over. There is no debate."

Despite the 50 States certifying the results, despite the Election College certifiying the results, despite the Joint Session of Congress certifying the results, John Lewis has his "birther" issue and the whiners will continue to blame anyone, other than the candidate that destroyed her own candidacy.

I love it. Joe Biden f'ing sucks, but he got this one right.

 

[Buster Bluth]

No, they haven't. They failed to keep the ACA from becoming law; they failed to defund DHS and Planned Parenthood; and they failed to block the TPP as well. I'm not saying that I favor them succeeding in any of these endeavors, but liberals have been trying to use hyperbole to paint this picture that the GOP has practically stopped the government from doing anything.

On the ACA, they succeeded in removing the vital public/government option. So, at worst it's a draw.

But to IrishinSyria's point, we'll get to see how the GOP handles covering pre-existing conditions without a health insurance mandate. Last I read, they want to remove the insurance mandate but allow insurance companies to charge more if you haven't been covered for X number of years. So, six in one hand and a half-dozen in the other.

I'm not sure what your point is on TPP. The Republican establishment supports it. I'm missing your point. But anyway, it isn't happening. And, to IrishinSyria's point, we get to see how the GOP deals with Asian countries scratching their heads at an America that refused to set international trade standards in America's image only to pass that responsibility to...China. I think there's a fair chance that Trump's lack of deal-making on TPP will be his most harmful long-term impact.

I guess general a party of opposition stops things, not removes things. So, defunding DHS and Planned Parenthood (geez, talk about Ways To Drive Out The Women Vote In 2020) aren't really things we should judge opposition on.

To expand on IrishinSyria's point, it's not like the biggest domestic issues in the US are going to change. For example, factories will still be replacing jobs with automation, health insurance premiums are going to continue to rise, college tuition is going to continue to rise. I mean, does anyone actually expect anything the GOP does to cause is reduction in health care premiums?! Or bring down the cost of college tuition? Or create jobs for high school-educated Americans at a faster clip than can be automated? I have my doubts...

 

[kmoose]

On the ACA, they succeeded in removing the vital public/government option. So, at worst it's a draw.

So a draw is now considered "brilliance"? I guess 6-6 next season will be wildly successful, then.

But to IrishinSyria's point, we'll get to see how the GOP handles covering pre-existing conditions without a health insurance mandate. Last I read, they want to remove the insurance mandate but allow insurance companies to charge more if you haven't been covered for X number of years. So, six in one hand and a half-dozen in the other.

I didn't make any comment on the GOP's plan(s). I merely noted that their "opposition" has NOT been brilliant.

I'm not sure what your point is on TPP. The Republican establishment supports it. I'm missing your point. But anyway, it isn't happening. And, to IrishinSyria's point, we get to see how the GOP deals with Asian countries scratching their heads at an America that refused to set international trade standards in America's image only to pass that responsibility to...China. I think there's a fair chance that Trump's lack of deal-making on TPP will be his most harmful long-term impact.

The point is that, if the GOP has been brilliantly opposing Obama at every turn, as liberals would like us to believe, then they certainly would not have allowed his signature foreign trade deal to pass. But not only did they allow it to pass, but as you pointed out; the leadership even supported it. So where is the obstructionism there? Maybe the narrative that the Republicans have been keeping Obama from accomplishing anything is just not true?

I guess general a party of opposition stops things, not removes things. So, defunding DHS and Planned Parenthood (geez, talk about Ways To Drive Out The Women Vote In 2020) aren't really things we should judge opposition on.

So you are on record as supporting the position that the GOP is NOT to be judged guilty of obstructionism for shutting the government down in 2013 in an attempt to defund Obamacare? Your position is duly noted in the record.

To expand on IrishinSyria's point, it's not like the biggest domestic issues in the US are going to change. For example, factories will still be replacing jobs with automation, health insurance premiums are going to continue to rise, college tuition is going to continue to rise. I mean, does anyone actually expect anything the GOP does to cause is reduction in health care premiums?! Or bring down the cost of college tuition? Or create jobs for high school-educated Americans at a faster clip than can be automated? I have my doubts...

I'm not defending any GOP policies. I merely disputed the false notion that they have somehow "brilliantly" opposed President Obama.

What government SHOULD do, regardless of which party is in charge, is invest in skilled trades, not free college. Nothing that the government pays for gets cheaper. It only gets more expensive. Paying for college will only raise the cost until even the government can no longer afford to provide an adequate level of service. By expanding skilled trades programs, you can churn out people ready to take on family wage jobs installing, maintaining, and repairing the automation equipment that would otherwise cause their unemployment; and they would spend the money that keeps plumbers, roofers, farmers, and car salesmen like Crusader employed. A degree in Modern Philosophy or History is not going to keep factories open, automated or not.

 

[TDHeysus]

John Lewis: Donald Trump is not a 'legitimate' president - CNNPolitics.com




A week ago Vice President Biden told Rep. Pramila Jayapal, WA-D, and other dissidents in the Democratic party, at a joint session of Congress that formally certified the elections, "It's over. There is no debate."

Despite the 50 States certifying the results, despite the Election College certifiying the results, despite the Joint Session of Congress certifying the results, John Lewis has his "birther" issue and the whiners will continue to blame anyone, other than the candidate that destroyed her own candidacy.

John Lewis should resign, he is completely out of touch. He has no idea this isnt 1965, or even 1985. He is a security risk for the country, he is a prime candidate to be influenced by the George Soros umbrella (knowingly or even more likely, unknowingly).

 

[drayer54]

John Lewis should resign, he is completely out of touch. He has no idea this isnt 1965, or even 1985. He is a security risk for the country, he is a prime candidate to be influenced by the George Soros umbrella (knowingly or even more likely, unknowingly).

His testimony at the Sessions appointment was a recap of black struggles for civil rights. While legitimate and a plea for the voting rights act, I thought it was off base for the Sessions appointment. Russia didn't win the election for Trump and we don't know how much foreign money to the Clinton Foundation was turned into anti-Trump ads.

 

[TDHeysus]

His testimony at the Sessions appointment was a recap of black struggles for civil rights. While legitimate and a plea for the voting rights act, I thought it was off base for the Sessions appointment. Russia didn't win the election for Trump and we don't know how much foreign money to the Clinton Foundation was turned into anti-Trump ads.

this is what I mean by out of touch....current protests in society should not be confused with the protests that took place in the 60's. The 2 situations (current, and past protests) do not equate. The snowflakes out there today, who cannot answer why they are protesting are not the same as ppl in the 60's protesting for civil rights/against vietnam (who were very informed, and very 'tuned in').

Current protests are being funded.

I think its dangerous for anyone in government who cannot see the difference, hence my 'out of touch' comment.

 

[drayer54]

The Sessions testimony was interesting to me because you had a black person who opposed him and didn't know him but didn't think he would have their interests in mind followed by a black person who knew the Senator who would vouch for his character and experience. This happened 3 times that I saw.

Very interesting. I think the idea of having an old white conservative from Alabama bothers people who will miss the excellent judgment of Lynch. The same AG who met with Bill Clinton on an airport tarmac before the Justice Department announced their findings.

 

[Legacy]

Old saying:

The Republicans are electable, but cannot govern.
The Democrats can govern, but aren't electable.

As far as the growth of the federal deficit and the impact of the Bush tax cuts and the MidEast wars. (Congressional Budget Office data and projections)

Of course, the near future is tax cuts, military spending and further MidEastern wars. And,

 

[phgreek]

No, they haven't. They failed to keep the ACA from becoming law; they failed to defund DHS and Planned Parenthood; and they failed to block the TPP as well. I'm not saying that I favor them succeeding in any of these endeavors, but liberals have been trying to use hyperbole to paint this picture that the GOP has practically stopped the government from doing anything.

Yea...I think they may have wanted to be obstructionist...but rarely had an opportunity to be much more than a speed bump.

The only thing liberals didn't get as they wanted was immigration reform...

Good or bad...the situation Trump ascended to power in was largely what liberals created...shrug.

It appears their choice is to say it wasn't a liberal created environment...or it was the best situation we've had in this country in decades...

Seems like this election, and many congressional and state level elections since 2010 or so tended to reject liberal leadership...and I must assume liberal policy makers, if not entirely repudiating liberal policy.

They still have that demographic thing in their favor...just ask them. So I guess the play is, wait it out, and hope people don't improve their lot in life until then?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Sure they couldn't stop the ACA from getting passed but that doesn't mean they weren't able to successfully turn it into a huge political weight around the dem's neck.

And lol at opposition to the TPP being "conservative" in any meaningful sense of the word. Protectionist for sure though.

e. but that's exactly the sort of success I'm talking about- somehow they got Obama to pursue traditionally conservative policies like market-oriented health care reform and free trade and IP expansion and got him to take blame from the right and the left. It's political jujitsu.

 

[connor_in]

Flashback: When Jeff Sessions and John Lewis linked arms at Edmund Pettus Bridge

FLASHBACK: Booker Praises Jeff Sessions On Civil Rights | The Daily Caller

https://youtu.be/chkAASced_0

 

[Bogtrotter07]

On the ACA, they succeeded in removing the vital public/government option. So, at worst it's a draw.

But to IrishinSyria's point, we'll get to see how the GOP handles covering pre-existing conditions without a health insurance mandate. Last I read, they want to remove the insurance mandate but allow insurance companies to charge more if you haven't been covered for X number of years. So, six in one hand and a half-dozen in the other.

I'm not sure what your point is on TPP. The Republican establishment supports it. I'm missing your point. But anyway, it isn't happening. And, to IrishinSyria's point, we get to see how the GOP deals with Asian countries scratching their heads at an America that refused to set international trade standards in America's image only to pass that responsibility to...China. I think there's a fair chance that Trump's lack of deal-making on TPP will be his most harmful long-term impact.

I guess general a party of opposition stops things, not removes things. So, defunding DHS and Planned Parenthood (geez, talk about Ways To Drive Out The Women Vote In 2020) aren't really things we should judge opposition on.

To expand on IrishinSyria's point, it's not like the biggest domestic issues in the US are going to change. For example, factories will still be replacing jobs with automation, health insurance premiums are going to continue to rise, college tuition is going to continue to rise. I mean, does anyone actually expect anything the GOP does to cause is reduction in health care premiums?! Or bring down the cost of college tuition? Or create jobs for high school-educated Americans at a faster clip than can be automated? I have my doubts...

Interesting, polls show that Americans think jobs numbers are getting better, (Like in November and December.) Americans think when polled that the number of new jobs created is increasing, where though the numbers are still positive, the rate of new job creation is drastically slowing. Why is this?

Because Donald Trump has been giving job creation a megaphone with his media exposure. Donald Trump says that he is saving jobs here or creating jobs there, and people believe him. This is incredibly significant. (Please note I am not expressing this as a value judgement.)

But it is interesting as it is an outgrowth of the Trump campaign. So Donald continues to "interpret" things, and the public continues to "buy in." This is one aspect of the next four years that fascinates me. What will happen? Will this basic (propaganda) communication continue? If it does, and it is at odds with other independent numbers what will happen?

You know, we've been all through the I, Bogtrotter, attacks people, and 'all you that have a problem with me,' of course don't, and we have been round and round about the issues, ideology, and everything else. But that is just too far from what is important. I don't need to call Donald Trump names. And I do have the right, and I think correctly liken his public and political actions to Adolph Hitler. I think my comparison was pretty objective and well thought out. But, of course that doesn't mean I think he is Hitler.

So all of you who can only understand things in such narrow terms, here is a more in depth view of what I believe is happening. It isn't good for either 'side,' for those of you who recognize sides. It certainly isn't good for our country.

But a couple (more) important points for everyone to consider :

• The polls are there and recorded. Most modern pollsters track a winning presidential candidate during the transition process. Trumps numbers are in. His high is 44% and his low is 37% approval rating. To give a comparison, in the last two presidential elections where there was a change of administrations, Bush scored just above 60% approval, and Obama scored something stratospheric, around 80%.
• • Bush took over after a chaotic series of recounts and court cases, to protest in the street. He clearly won with less than a 50% margin of the vote, and he still had awesome transition numbers.
  • Obama took over and had to deal with incredible prejudices against him, while the economy was in free-fall, when trust in the government was at a low ebb, and he scored with rock-star numbers.
• The kind of numbers Trump is now generating is significant for a couple of reasons. There is no overwhelming support for him, no populist movement. These transition numbers kind of set a first two year ceiling for the incoming president. And of course an incoming president has two years to make his case, and get started what he wants to get done. We are already starting to see this effect. Paul Ryan clearly stated Trump isn't getting his deportation force. Congress is so set on repealing ethics legislation, and the ACA that the 'wall' funding is going to be pushed back.
  
• The question is, 'How long is it going to take for some voters to catch on?' The 2016 election seems to be divided into four important groups, the largest, anti-Trump voters, the second largest, anti-Clinton voters (of which a significant number were pro-Trump voters, the third group,) and the fourth, smallest, and most important, disaffected voters. 2016 was an election of voter suppression.
  
  The key was it wasn't just minorities or poor that was suppressed. Interestingly enough, in swing states white, particularly better educated white voters voted in lower percentages than in recent elections. The white numbers were bolstered by less educated whites, whose numbers were near record levels. This is where Donald Trump won the election, but it doesn't bode well for him continuing to win.
  
  And of course that really has been recognized in this thread, because of course, that is the humor behind all the we need a terrorist-attack to bring the country together again. I will admit I am motivated by fear, because I solidly believe that once his people realize that, we will get one.
  
• The next question is, when will the Republican orthodoxy, the Republican conservative element, and the Trump Administration start to turn on each other. Everyone has their own agenda. Trump wants to be the best at everything that God ever created. Some Republicans want to roll back women's rights, gut PP etc. And others want to rape Social Security. If you look that the overlapping agenda of all these groups, that have started their attempts at fulfilling their agenda's, everyone is proceeding at the speed of light, on all fronts.
  
  Granted, the Democrats are pitiful opposition, but the Republicans (collectively) think they can reverse or destroy seven or eight programs, plans, or entities, all that have a significant majority of American's approval! Bush with popularity, the voting majority, and a popular (at the time) war behind him, got absolutely trucked in is efforts to overhaul (rip-off, rape, whatever) social security!

I will bet anyone who his a real Trump supporter mega v bucks, that the harder he, and Republicans try to change these things (please note none of them are really about draining any swamp) the more badly and quicker they will fail.

Were I the opposition, I would stop Trump's bad appointees, his major attacks on good and well run programs, give him enough rope to hang himself, and see him in 2018. I would be recruiting candidates now.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yea...I think they may have wanted to be obstructionist...but rarely had an opportunity to be much more than a speed bump.

The only thing liberals didn't get as they wanted was immigration reform...

Good or bad...the situation Trump ascended to power in was largely what liberals created...shrug.

It appears their choice is to say it wasn't a liberal created environment...or it was the best situation we've had in this country in decades...

Seems like this election, and many congressional and state level elections since 2010 or so tended to reject liberal leadership...and I must assume liberal policy makers, if not entirely repudiating liberal policy.

They still have that demographic thing in their favor...just ask them. So I guess the play is, wait it out, and hope people don't improve their lot in life until then?

Again, I don't think that Trump's ascent was due to anything but lying and misinformation. If I am correct, we don't even need to argue about it, because it will be clear soon enough.

And.

Anyone who counts votes can tell you that there were a lot more (%) Republican's for immigration reform in the senate and the house before and during the Obama administration, but that Republicans sacrificed all of that for taking the obstructionist route.

Anyone on the inside in Washington will tell you the same thing. There was incredible tension within the Republican party over whether they could or should sacrifice meaningful immigration reform.

I am telling you, that the elections since the House districts were redrawn this last time aren't about any ideological jihad. They were about a brilliant plan to put the right candidates in front of the right people the formed the right majorities, in the right places.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

While some sheep may follow this clown still, I am happy to see her still holding the reigns to the democratic party. She has done an excellent job keeping the house red and her legacy insignificant.

Nice language! At least you didn't diminish her further because she is a woman.

But did you read the article, and follow her logic point by point?


Because if you did I want you to tell me where she was wrong.

I mean with actual facts and numbers.

Because only two Presidents in the history of the United States of America have been able to outspend FDR, (of course he had WWII and the Great Depression to deal with.)

Those presidents were : (#2) Ronald Reagan; and (# 1) George W. Bush. And when GWBush left office, the economy was in free-fall, I mean he even tried spending even more money, but he didn't have a clue as to what to do.

Now, tell me where I am being unfair.

And tell me why I should attack someone I consider an abysmally poor leader like Nancy Pelosi, when you are using her poor leadership skills, and obvious avarice and greed to try to negate points she is making, when she is expressing (basically the truth) to make her point?

She does her own little b.s. game, but you totally assassinate the truth, and try to cover bunches of that with your little name calling escapades.

In the final run you are both taking money out of my pocket? So pardon my if I have a bigger problem with your dishonesty, and thieving than hers!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

this is what I mean by out of touch....current protests in society should not be confused with the protests that took place in the 60's. The 2 situations (current, and past protests) do not equate. The snowflakes out there today, who cannot answer why they are protesting are not the same as ppl in the 60's protesting for civil rights/against vietnam (who were very informed, and very 'tuned in').

Current protests are being funded.

I think its dangerous for anyone in government who cannot see the difference, hence my 'out of touch' comment.

Really?

By whom?

I really want to know.

I was there in the 60's. Though I wasn't doing a lot of protesting, I had a particularly good view of it all. I am surprised that there hasn't been more protesting since.

And I am hoping we get back to the way it was in the 60's. In my opinion, Americans have been too big of pussies for way too long. The quality of political leadership we've had since that time has been ridiculously poor, on either side of the isle!

 

[Wild Bill]

No, they haven't. They failed to keep the ACA from becoming law; they failed to defund DHS and Planned Parenthood; and they failed to block the TPP as well. I'm not saying that I favor them succeeding in any of these endeavors, but liberals have been trying to use hyperbole to paint this picture that the GOP has practically stopped the government from doing anything.

Generally agree but they did hold strong not allowing Obama to appoint Scalia's replacement. Maybe the most important thing they did and I can't believe those inept idiots pulled it off. Big win for conservatives and definitely played a role in trumps election.

 

[TDHeysus]

Really?

By whom?

I really want to know.

I was there in the 60's. Though I wasn't doing a lot of protesting, I had a particularly good view of it all. I am surprised that there hasn't been more protesting since.

And I am hoping we get back to the way it was in the 60's. In my opinion, Americans have been too big of pussies for way too long. The quality of political leadership we've had since that time has been ridiculously poor, on either side of the isle!

if you can be objective, you can find out. I won't tell you, its all there for YOU to find out.....or not. It's doesn't matter to me, I'm not trying to change heads or hearts. Facts don't care about feelings.

 

[Buster Bluth]

What government SHOULD do, regardless of which party is in charge, is invest in skilled trades, not free college.

Who said free college? Not anyone who won their primary. It's only discussed by the Sanders wing, and wouldn't ever make it through congress.

But trade schools aren't the only answer. We want a college-educated workforce too.

The unintended consequences of pushing millions towards trade schools is pretty obvious: the increase in labor supply drives down wages for trades, undoing much of the motivation to pursue it in the first place.

Nothing that the government pays for gets cheaper. It only gets more expensive.

This is a horribly broad comment.

Every other developed country in the world pays less for college and health care. They all also have more government involvement. So clearly, it's a complicated relationship and we need good government not always less government.

Take your internet bill for example. In the US our wise government has frequently barred municipalities from building government-run systems. Those systems are usually much cheaper than the bullshit pulled by Comcast/Time Warner. It's a pretty clear cut example of a public option creating competition that the oligopoly otherwise wouldn't have to deal with... our lovely GOP also barred such a thing from Obamacare. Which is why the faux-outrage over a "government takeover" of health care is such a joke.

Paying for college will only raise the cost until even the government can no longer afford to provide an adequate level of service. By expanding skilled trades programs, you can churn out people ready to take on family wage jobs installing, maintaining, and repairing the automation equipment that would otherwise cause their unemployment; and they would spend the money that keeps plumbers, roofers, farmers, and car salesmen like Crusader employed. A degree in Modern Philosophy or History is not going to keep factories open, automated or not.

I think you should look up the number of people getting Modern Philosophy or History degrees. This paragraph is a bad assumption build on top another bad assumption.

If companies want more tradesmen, pay them more. The market will figure it out.

 

[connor_in]

‘What could go wrong’? With the clock ticking, Obama’s Pen & Phone are working overtime – twitchy.com

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Trump did say he was going to undo everything Obama did.

I don't think even a lot of people that voted for him want to see that.

So why would anyone expect less.

If Trump had a brain for it, he would have kept his mouth shut.