Trump Presidency

[RDU Irish]

Step one - don't be high in public while doing illegal stuff

Step two - don't date, harbor and enable a known drug dealer who illegally possesses a firearm he will not hesitate to shoot at police.

Step three - do not resist arrest or assault police officers (or anyone for that matter)

 

[IrishLax]

That was the recovery which also places an obvious qualifier on it implying there is not currently equal justice under the law thus continuing to fan the flames. His knee jerk reaction and body language were - "OH CRAP - um, ahhh.... how do I answer this" which is far more indicative of reality to me than whatever BS floats out of the politicians mouth afterward.

The response you were looking for was "I'm sorry for spreading an obvious lie that Joe Biden didn't say 'law and order' and I will delete my post."

 

[TorontoGold]

That was the recovery which also places an obvious qualifier on it implying there is not currently equal justice under the law thus continuing to fan the flames. His knee jerk reaction and body language were - "OH CRAP - um, ahhh.... how do I answer this" which is far more indicative of reality to me than whatever BS floats out of the politicians mouth afterward.

What are your body language assessment qualifications?

 

[Irish#1]

I'm sorry but that's just a total lie. Trump tweets stuff like this and people gobble it up:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Biden REFUSED to use the term, LAW & ORDER! There go the Suburbs.</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1311310383781679107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

But everyone who watched the debate should know that's completely false:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump says Biden "can't say the words" law and order, saying "you saw" this at the debate...<br><br>...the debate at which Biden said, "Yes, I'm in favor of it. Everybody's in favor of law and order" and continued, "Law and order with justice, where people get treated fairly."</p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1311381791010414592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

So cut the propaganda.

Found this which is what I remember.

After President Donald Trump asked him if he supports “law and order,” Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden said he supports law “and a little bit of order.” The moment came during the first presidential debate Tuesday in Cleveland, Ohio.

“Democrats,” Trump said, “don’t want to talk, like you, about law and order.”
“Are you in favor of law and order?” the president asked. “I’m in favor of law, you following it, and a little bit of order,” Biden replied.

 

[RDU Irish]

Found this which is what I remember.

Thanks for finding that - I couldn't tell what he was mumbling as he looked down buying time to figure out how to bullshit his way out of the answer. "some order" wow - so definitive and forceful! What an amazing wishy washy leader! Any police groups back you Joe? "blink, blink, blink - where's Chris Wallace to move this along?" Valid point of debate that presents a stark contrast between candidates yet somehow gets contorted to Joe being equally law and order focused as Trump.

Another fun one - rather than say he called troops stupid bastards in a playful, sarcastic way he completely denied it (until LAX finds some bullshit denying what he did as knee jerk reaction on live TV). I get not remembering a comment like that made in passing at one of many events you have done. However that video has been trending and if his organization is unaware of it they deserve to look like lying dog faced pony soldiers. C'mon man!

 

[Armyirish47]

Thanks for finding that - I couldn't tell what he was mumbling as he looked down buying time to figure out how to bullshit his way out of the answer. "some order" wow - so definitive and forceful! What an amazing wishy washy leader! Any police groups back you Joe? "blink, blink, blink - where's Chris Wallace to move this along?" Valid point of debate that presents a stark contrast between candidates yet somehow gets contorted to Joe being equally law and order focused as Trump.

Another fun one - rather than say he called troops stupid bastards in a playful, sarcastic way he completely denied it (until LAX finds some bullshit denying what he did as knee jerk reaction on live TV). I get not remembering a comment like that made in passing at one of many events you have done. However that video has been trending and if his organization is unaware of it they deserve to look like lying dog faced pony soldiers. C'mon man!

Did he have playful, sarcastic body language?

 

[IrishLax]

Thanks for finding that - I couldn't tell what he was mumbling as he looked down buying time to figure out how to bullshit his way out of the answer. "some order" wow - so definitive and forceful! What an amazing wishy washy leader! Any police groups back you Joe? "blink, blink, blink - where's Chris Wallace to move this along?" Valid point of debate that presents a stark contrast between candidates yet somehow gets contorted to Joe being equally law and order focused as Trump.

Here's the audio/video of the entire exchange, ignore the tweet itself it's the first one I found searching "law and order":
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Donald: “Are you in favor of law and order?”<br>Biden: “Yes, I’m in favor of law and order. Law and order with justice, where everyone gets treated fairly.”<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TrumpIsARacist?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TrumpIsARacist</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Debates2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Debates2020</a> <a href="https://t.co/CF9I19xyXQ">pic.twitter.com/CF9I19xyXQ</a></p>— Bryan Dawson (@BryanDawsonUSA) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDawsonUSA/status/1311435198358327296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

The quote I posted above is accurate to the letter.

On top of that, Joe Biden has repeatedly, publicy, and unequivocally condemned violence for months. All of his many public statements are easily searchable.

All the way back in May, immediately after riots started, he said:

Protesting such brutality is right and necessary. It’s an utterly American response. But burning down communities and needless destruction is not. Violence that endangers lives is not.

...and in early June he said in a speech...

There’s no place for violence, no place for looting or destroying property or burning churches or destroying businesses.

If you want, I can fill this thread with all the different tweets, speeches, blogs, and statements he has made against violence for months. I think that is a waste of everyone's time, but if that's what it takes then so be it.

And look... we give everyone a lot of rope in these threads, both directions. We expect people to post in good faith and not be intellectually dishonest. Spamming about Joe Biden refusing to say law and order or not condemning violence is not that. If you're looking for that kind of community there are plenty of places on the internet to do it and have it well received, but this isn't one of them.

 

[Irish#1]

Neither of these candidates support violence or white supremacy. As I said before, this entire thing has boiled down to people on both sides hearing what they want to hear. If the words aren't exactly what one wants to hear then they didn't say it. Even these two knuckleheads are doing that.

 

[IrishLax]

Found this which is what I remember.

I'm sorta wondering what source you went to here and why they would only snip the part where Trump is talking over him. When Trump actually lets him answer immediately thereafter, it is unequivocal what he says which is exactly what's quoted above without a single word being disputable.

Regardless, it is also indisputable that since May Biden has consistently and repeatedly spoken out against violence, and that he said "law and order" in the debate while again speaking out against violence. It's exactly what's wrong with American politics right now that we are still discussing this when there is audio, video, and transcripts. Trump saying "Biden refused to use the term law and order" is a 100% confirmed lie.

Let's move on.

 

[Irish#1]

I'm sorta wondering what source you went to here and why they would only snip the part where Trump is talking over him. When Trump actually lets him answer immediately thereafter, it is unequivocal what he says which is exactly what's quoted above without a single word being disputable.

Regardless, it is also indisputable that since May Biden has consistently and repeatedly spoken out against violence, and that he said "law and order" in the debate while again speaking out against violence. It's exactly what's wrong with American politics right now that we are still discussing this when there is audio, video, and transcripts. Trump saying "Biden refused to use the term law and order" is a 100% confirmed lie.

Let's move on.

I just googled and the first one that came up was from the Western Journal which is where I copied it.

Agree

 

[Luckylucci]

I'm sorta wondering what source you went to here and why they would only snip the part where Trump is talking over him. When Trump actually lets him answer immediately thereafter, it is unequivocal what he says which is exactly what's quoted above without a single word being disputable.

Regardless, it is also indisputable that since May Biden has consistently and repeatedly spoken out against violence, and that he said "law and order" in the debate while again speaking out against violence. It's exactly what's wrong with American politics right now that we are still discussing this when there is audio, video, and transcripts. Trump saying "Biden refused to use the term law and order" is a 100% confirmed lie.

Let's move on.

To be fair, this is exactly what the Left is doing with Trump and the "very fine people" quote that keeps getting taken out of context. It's just a tad hypocritical of the Left to get so outraged when it happens to them yet they've been doing it on more serious topics.

And the fact that Chris Wallace even had to ask that question to Trump, in 2020, just like he did during the 2016 debates, shows how corrupt and slanted the MSM is. If we keep asking, maybe the answer will change. Apparently, we're going to have to ask Trump daily if he has chosen to become a White Supremacist because at this point we're all just a little unsure.

 

[tussin]

Who here believes that Trump is actually a racist? I'm referring to a traditional definition of racism and not the current progressive definition where racist = anything not "anti-racist".

 

[RDU Irish]

Better in review for Joe from a better angle than my recollection two days after the 2 hour poo fest. Still lots of qualifiers in there "law - you following it" and "justice with people getting treated fairly". I hear "Law for thee but not for me!" - AKA song of the swamp

Not exactly a clean endorsement of our system of justice - maybe rightfully so. But absent "justice" (which is farcically pollyanna) where is call for civility? Tell these idiots to go home and stop the violence. Tell criminals not to resist arrest! Forcefully, in real time!

I mean "you following it" - call him a criminal to his face when your party has failed for four years to take him down with every resource of the government and media while your cokehead son raked in millions from foreign "dealings" literally hitching a ride on your gubmint plane in the process. Sounds about right.

Michael Flynn fairness? Weaponizing the FBI to stage a coup with known pure BS "dossier" type of fairness? C'mon man. Are businesses being being burnt down being treated fairly?

Chaos in the streets - "I'm a private citizen I can't call mayors and tell them what to do" - I'm sure someone will find the exact quote but not exactly a taking a strong position of offering solutions or trying to quell the mess there Joe.

 

[RDU Irish]

I vacillate b/w Trump landslide and Joe winning by a solid margin. Have a hard time believing polling off that much two cycles in a row.

I thought Trump was nuts campaigning in Michigan in 2016 and the crazy bastard goes and wins it. Now he is in Minnesota and I have the exact same feeling. He is stumping hard in some battlegrounds that make me think he has some data showing he is winning solidly and he is going for the jugular. 10s of thousands at rallies versus Joe struggling to bring in a couple dozen.

 

[Irishize]

Who here believes that Trump is actually a racist? I'm referring to a traditional definition of racism and not the current progressive definition where racist = anything not "anti-racist".

I can’t imagine a racist tolerating his daughter marrying a man of Jewish heritage and then having grandkids of Jewish descent. I can’t imagine a racist pardoning black folks for wrongful convictions &/or shortening terms that didn’t fit the crime. I can’t imagine a racist being supported by minorities who happen to be ordinary citizens like us or famous celebrities.

Remember, before he became a Republican, racism was never an issue when bringing up Trump. There’s photos all over the internet w/ him posing & cavorting w/ folks of all races, sex, religion, etc.

Is he an ego maniac who we are learning was a horrible businessman? Yes
What about Biden? Can’t speak to business acumen but he’s been dead weight as a Senator & then road Obama’s coattails. He seems to be on the wrong side of decisions more often than not. If he wasn’t obviously in early stage dementia, I’d give him the edge but he won’t last long when he’s elected POTUS.

Has he ever admitted he was wrong about something or made an honest mistake? Not that I’m aware.
What about Biden? Don’t know but I’ll concede Biden would be more likely to admit fault (intentionally or not) before Trump.

Does he have a horrible history of sexism & alleged sexual assaults? Yes
What about Biden? No to sexism; Yes to sexual assaults but not as many (yet) as Trump. His are creepier when you factor in kids, so I don’t think either is worth defending.

Does he possess the character & morals that I prefer in a POTUS? Not even close.
Does Biden? Nope. He proved it as far back as 1988 when he had to discontinue his 1st POTUS campaign after being busted for plagiarism. He still enjoys a pass from the MSM when claiming obvious facts are “not true”.

 

[Irishize]

I vacillate b/w Trump landslide and Joe winning by a solid margin. Have a hard time believing polling off that much two cycles in a row.

I thought Trump was nuts campaigning in Michigan in 2016 and the crazy bastard goes and wins it. Now he is in Minnesota and I have the exact same feeling. He is stumping hard in some battlegrounds that make me think he has some data showing he is winning solidly and he is going for the jugular. 10s of thousands at rallies versus Joe struggling to bring in a couple dozen.

In the end, I’m hoping which ever candidate wins that it’ll be a landslide. We’ve already been warned to be patient for a few weeks post-election to count all the mail-in ballots. If it’s close then you can count on it going on longer than what we saw in 2000.

If Trump wins, the media will claim voter fraud or suppression...oh..and racism for whatever reason.
If Trump loses a close vote, he’ll blame the mail-in ballot counting as tainted but the media will be ahead of that and likely shut him down pretty quick.

The MSM doesn’t realize how much most of them are exactly like Trump.

 

[Irishize]

I haven’t been following the current dialogue and just saw this but yeah I get them being super problematic but I’m still trying to find where they are super racist white supremacists,... I’ve tried. Other than just being labeled as such idk where it really comes from. As far as I can honestly tell they’re just a bullshit answer to Antifa and just as bad,... supremacists though? I’m willing to listen but it comes off as just another in a frankly really long list of lazy leftist name calling,

CNN disagrees w/ the Southern Poverty Law Center on the Proud Boys.

Idiots? Probably

White supremacists? No

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Someone needs to tell <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNewsCNN?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FakeNewsCNN</a> & <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSDNC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MSDNC</a> that no one besides your viewers (which is most likely Airport Viewers) even knows who <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ProudBoys?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ProudBoys</a> are, This is a losing issue for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNewsMedia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FakeNewsMedia</a>, Even <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FakeNews?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#FakeNews</a> CNN said <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ProudBoysUSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ProudBoysUSA</a> isn’t a <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WhiteSupremacy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WhiteSupremacy</a> Group <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Debates2020?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Debates2020</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MAGA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MAGA</a> <a href="https://t.co/JqowHU5aIy">pic.twitter.com/JqowHU5aIy</a></p>— COME ON MAN (@BrooklynFixer) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrooklynFixer/status/1311294778395504643?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[yankeehater]

Wasn't Trump asked specifically in regards to white supremacy about one group? If this is the group, this sure doesn't fit the narrative Wallace and the MSM painted of them. If they are white supremacist, they sure are an inclusive group of white supremacist.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020...to-joe-biden-calling-them-white-supremacists/

 

[Irish YJ]

It's unavoidable and present in Congress (our coalition building occurs intra-party instead of inter-party as it does in parliamentary systems). Every nation has an aristocracy that jockeys for advantage; but you also need a powerful executive who can keep them in line, and at least one other non-state institution with the power to delineate boundaries and keep them all working toward the common good. We don't have either of those things, so our aristocracy runs amok. Nothing improves until we figure out how to make them behave again.

The bolded is the first step. Not sure it will be possible unless we ever figure how to install term limits across the board, and take machete to campaign finance.

As I said, I don't see an easy fix here. One of our problems is that our current system makes it very easy to obscure who's actually responsible the shitty status quo. You can always blame an obstructionist minority party, the Supreme Court, a biased media, etc. In a monarchy (preferably not an absolute one!), you at least know where the buck stops. If the aristocrats are selling you out to a geo-political rival for their own private advantage, or are engrossed in their own petty squabbles while the lower classes come apart at the seams, then it's the king's job to put them in their place. Who's job is that in modern America?

But more importantly, we need something to bind us together. The market can't do it. But embracing our imperial status and connecting that with the history of Christendom might.

I'd be fine with a king or queen with some common sense checks and balances, but it's a pipe dream like progressive utopia. Ultimately I think the best thing for people in general would be a confessional state, but the world is going the exact opposite way, and can't see it ever reversing course. We already have a few countries that are mixes of confessional states and monarchy, like Saudi Arabia. And that's certainly not what I have in mind lol.

Wasn't Trump asked specifically in regards to white supremacy about one group? If this is the group, this sure doesn't fit the narrative Wallace and the MSM painted of them. If they are white supremacist, they sure are an inclusive group of white supremacist.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2020...to-joe-biden-calling-them-white-supremacists/

I would say they have some nuts and are absolutely sketchy in areas, but they certainly don't fit the white supremist definition perfectly at all. But the MSM won't get lost in the details lol.

 

[ACamp1900]

White supremacists tend to openly own it guys,... that is like, a prerequisite of being such. If they continually say they’re not then the real question is why does the media and left continue to insist they are and not just focus on the CLEAR issues the group exhibits otherwise??

 

[PraetorianND]

White supremacists tend to openly own it guys,... that is like, a prerequisite of being such. If they continually say they’re not then the real question is why does the media and left continue to insist they are and not just focus on the CLEAR issues the group exhibits otherwise??

Undercover white supremacy bro.

Having a Jewish son in law and dating a black woman for 2 years is all part of the long con.

 

[Irish YJ]

Undercover white supremacy bro.

Having a Jewish son in law and dating a black woman for 2 years is all part of the long con.

It's not like he said something completely racist, like "if you're white, and don't vote for me, you ain't white enough".

oh wait.

 

[PraetorianND]

It's not like he said something completely racist, like "if you're white, and don't vote for me, you ain't white enough".

oh wait.

Or passing legislation that fucked over blacks for generations. Or saying you don’t want your kids to grow up in a racial jungle.

Biden is racist as fuck.

 

[GATTACA!]

Or passing legislation that fucked over blacks for generations. Or saying you don’t want your kids to grow up in a racial jungle.

Biden is racist as fuck.

Well at least his running mate.......errr wait no.

Shit.

 

[Bluto]

By their own admission the Proud Boys are a “Western chauvinist” organization. Now, what do the mean by “western”? That reads to me as meaning “European”. In fact the Proud Boy rhetoric sounds a whole lot like manifest destiny arguments of the past. If you are advocating for the primacy of “European” culture are you not advocating for the primacy of Europeans ie white people? Anyhow, best case scenario they are proto fascist goons.

Here’s something else to mull over there are a lot of “white supremacist” Mexicans and South Americans running around and in places of power. One of the crazier things I saw back in the day was a Nazi gang from Oxnard comprised completely of ....Mexican Americans.

 

[Bluto]

Undercover white supremacy bro.

Having a Jewish son in law and dating a black woman for 2 years is all part of the long con.

Yeah, one can be racist and still “date” the group they look down on. I mean plantation owners had sex with “niggers” all the time. My uncle on my moms side was a complete racist jackass and yet he still loved his Mexican nephews.

 

[PraetorianND]

Yeah, one can be racist and still “date” the group the look down on. I mean plantation owners had sex with “niggers” all the time.

Are you honestly comparing Trump dating a black woman to a slave owner raping his slaves?

Wtf

 

[Bluto]

Are you honestly comparing Trump dating a black woman to a slave owner raping his slaves?

Wtf

I edited my post for clarity. How do you know it was always rape? Ok, how about that moron who owned the Clippers? Obviously a racist dickhead yet dated a black woman. One can be a racist dipshit and still fetishize “the savages”.

 

[PraetorianND]

I edited my post for clarity. Ok, how about that moron who owned the Clippers? Obviously a racist dickhead yet dated a black woman. One can be a racist dipshit and still fetishize “the savages”.

Thanks for the clarity.

 

[Bluto]

Thanks for the clarity.

No problem. I’ve know all kinds of racist dumb fucks who would “still bang” Hallie Berry for instance.