Trump Presidency

[ulukinatme]

That was the cost to only the building itself.

Same was the $2 billion I quoted from the BLM protests, that was just property damage.

 

[GATTACA!]

The Jan. 6th event at the Capitol was not near as bad as Democrats let on. It was also definitely worse than what Republicans let on.

If you ask me to choose what was the greater threat to democracy :

1. Rioting on Capitol Hill
2. Trump asking Pence to reject votes to overturn the election.

It's not even remotely close. It's number two by a landslide. I have no clue why Dem's continue to beat the drum over #1, when in reality they should be focusing on #2.

Because to deflect from #2 republicans point to number #1 and claim it wasn't a serious insurrection because there are photos of some of the rioters walking in a single file line.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Because to deflect from #2 republicans point to number #1 and claim it wasn't a serious insurrection because there are photos of some of the rioters walking in a single file line.

I disagree. #1 is brought up in isolation. Dem's try to make the rioting out to be a violent coup attempt. That is laughable. Dem's spend far more time focusing on #1 as if that was the bigger problem. It wasn't.

 

[Redbar]

What is the point in comparing the damage in dollars and whatever of BLM protests and Jan 6? They are totally different things. One is a response to the seemingly endless violence perpetrated on a segment of our citizenry by the state that largely goes unpunished. The other is a liar lying to his constituents about reality and egging them on to try and change an already determined outcome. He and his cronies knew they lost, knew they had no legitimate case so they cried wolf. No one in Minnesota or Seattle was lying about the history of violence that has been perpetrated on black Americans by individuals and the state. Two totally different things, it is intellectually dishonest to compare them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

I disagree. #1 is brought up in isolation. Dem's try to make the rioting out to be a violent coup attempt. That is laughable. Dem's spend far more time focusing on #1 as if that was the bigger problem. It wasn't.

I disagree. The true crime was was angainst our democratic system that has relatively functioned as intended since Washington. Trump organized the event for months then whipped them up along with all the other speakers there then sent them to the Capital to STOP the certification. That was their purpose. That is what they went to the capital to do. They violently broke in and stopped the procedure of certification. The GOP had a plan to stop the certification then remand it to the House for some procedural stuff which would allow the House to determine the President based on states and at that time GOP controlled more states and therefore could have handed the election to Trump. They succeeded in doing this even for a relatively short time. Had Pence not commenced with it after the fact it’s a completely different ball game. That’s how close we were.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I disagree. The true crime was that Trump organized the event then whipped them up along with all the other speakers there then sent them to the Capital to STOP the certification. They succeeded in doing this even for a relatively short time. Had Pence not commenced with it after the fact it’s a completely different ball game. That’s how close we were.

Then keep on focusing on #1. I give up.

 

[Redbar]

I disagree. #1 is brought up in isolation. Dem's try to make the rioting out to be a violent coup attempt. That is laughable. Dem's spend far more time focusing on #1 as if that was the bigger problem. It wasn't.

They are both problems. The problem with number 1 was that it was incited by a President. Who probably knew or should have known he needed the cover of a large group of mostly peaceful rubes to cover for the other guys that actually had a mission, whom he had previously told to stand back and stand by. Love to know what Stone was coordinating at the Washington Hotel.
Add fake electors as number #3 calls to Georgia as #4, lawsuits upon lawsuits as#5, etc…they came at this “problem” from a lot of angles. All related, all unprecedented, all frightening to people who truly believe in the Constitution and fundamental fairness.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Then keep on focusing on #1. I give up.

I don’t know what to tell you. I have maintained that it was a multi prong plan to Keep Trump in place. The riot and the pressuring of pence was the final step to achieve that and which wasn’t the only thing they tried or did. The riot achieved its aim. They stopped the certification. It was all on Pence then to restart it or not. He chose to continue it. Someone else may not have and we would have a completely different outcome simply based on Pences honor. The Jan6Report has all this stuff in it.
Regarding #1 I will harp on is that it was violent. Rioters violently broke into the capital to stop the process. They succeeded it wasn’t a field trip like some people have convinced himself it was. Golly geez we just wanted see the inside of the capital ….lolgive me a fucking break.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

They are both problems. The problem with number 1 was that it was incited by a President. Who probably knew or should have known he needed the cover of a large group of mostly peaceful rubes to cover for the other guys that actually had a mission, whom he had previously told to stand back and stand by. Love to know what Stone was coordinating at the Washington Hotel.
Add fake electors as number #3 calls to Georgia as #4, lawsuits upon lawsuits as#5, etc…they came at this “problem” from a lot of angles. All related, all unprecedented, all frightening to people who truly believe in the Constitution and fundamental fairness.

Exactly. A multifaceted bureaucratic undermining facilitated by GOP in multiple states that people like ulk focus on #1 and compare it to BLm to deflect and minimize. The bigger threat was always the fake electors, stopping the cert and pressure on Pence.

 

[RDU Irish]

Imagine BLM breaking into the capitol. You guys would have been calling for lynchings by January 7th.

I don't have to imagine - commies love violence and intimidation. One side gets pandered to and the other gets hunted down when they protest. I think all protesters need to get a life but that doesn't mean I am blind to double standards and hypocrisy.

2011 Wisconsin protests - Wikipedia

There was $8 million of damage in this fiasco - for daring to normalize the benefit packages of public employees. That's like $30 billion in post Bidenflation dollars.

Jan 6 by comparison had $1.5M of damages of which most was probably from undercover FBI and capitol police breaking shit.

 

[Irish#1]

Now go further and look at the three buckets that presidential acts are put in and how to decide if those are official acts and what evidence is allowed to determine what is an official act and what isn’t. Go the next step. There is more after that.

Then tell me how if a president sells pardons, takes top secret info and gives it to someone else for money or any other number of things he considers an official act and tell me exactly how Congress could pursue impeachment let alone acquire the required evidence to take such a step if the president refuses to cooperate and turnover evidence and claims official act immunity.

Selling top secret information to someone for money would never pass as an official act.

 

[GATTACA!]

Selling top secret information to someone for money would never pass as an official act.

It would if none of the evidence was admissible.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Selling top secret information to someone for money would never pass as an official act.

Read the Supreme Court ruling and the three buckets of acts they create and then apply their test for what evidence is allowed to be used and then tell me how Congress could actually gather any evidence against him while he was in office and then actually impeach a President.

Essentially a president has core acts that are totally immune. Then the president has acts that are not core and must be presumed to be official but to differentiate betwwwn this and unofficial acts evidence must be used to determine that it was UNOFFICIAL. They then basically say that evidence cannot be used from official acts by the president his staff or any of the members of other official offices that did what the President requested. So literally no evidence of any act will be able to be procured to determine that the act was unofficial. This or that so little evidence and information would be able to be procured that no case could be levied.

Trumps lawyer was asked by the SCOTUs if having Seal Team Six kill a political rival would be immune and his lawyer literally said if it amounted to an official act yes he could do it.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

It would if none of the evidence was admissible.

This isn’t hard and I feel like no one read the ruling. It’s crazy 🤪

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Selling top secret information to someone for money would never pass as an official act.

This guy is very fair and factually based. He explains it well. Essentially yes. It will be and cannot be investigated or charged. One of the core abilities of the POTUs is commanding the military. The president can use the military to do anything he wants and he is absolutely immune. Watch the video and then we can discuss further.

 

[GATTACA!]

This guy is very fair and factually based. He explains it well.

Nah last time I posted that drayer told me he was a tool.

 

[TorontoGold]

Nah last time I posted that drayer told me he was a tool.

Something something media bias

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Something something media bias

That is ulk’s go to as well. It biased because I said so so I’m not going to acknowledge it.

 

[Redbar]

Sad thing is we don’t even have to imagine a future absurd crime that he could commit and be immune from. All we have to do is look at all the absurd crimes he committed in his first term that he remains up to now essentially immune from by gaming the system. Now he won’t have to game the system, he can just say kick rocks

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

. Still having a hard time interpreting this any other way. Cancel elections. Immunity. Done.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

There will be more.

 

[GoIrish41]

. Still having a hard time interpreting this any other way. Cancel elections. Immunity. Done.

Someone needs to tell him that Christians are probably the single biggest voting bloc in the country. He is so fucking stupid!

 

[Bishop2b5]

 

[Redbar]

Well then why is he trying to throw out his conviction for paying off a porn star based off of their decision? Why did the judge postpone sentencing? No one has ever suggested prosecuting a president that did not commit a prosecutable crime in any of the states of the union why the need to parson off this BS? How about sticking with no man is above the law, even the president, Where did that lead us wrong? Where did that tie the president’s hands too tightly? This is all bullshit and any thinking person can see it.

 

[TracyGraham]

. Still having a hard time interpreting this any other way. Cancel elections. Immunity. Done.

I realize he was talking in a roundabout manner, but the message is pretty clear(at least to me....). He is saying this is the most important election for christians. Even though they don't usually turn out(according to him), this is the time to vote because the current admin is even more against Christian values than normal. He is implying that if they vote for him this time, he will solve a lot of the issues facing Christians and Jews and therefore it won't be nearly as important for them to vote in the future.

 

[TracyGraham]

Someone needs to tell him that Christians are probably the single biggest voting bloc in the country. He is so fucking stupid!

How did you interpret the video? He is simply encouraging the Christians to vote, and pointing out that this election is particularly crucial for them.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Well then why is he trying to throw out his conviction for paying off a porn star based off of their decision? Why did the judge postpone sentencing? No one has ever suggested prosecuting a president that did not commit a prosecutable crime in any of the states of the union why the need to parson off this BS? How about sticking with no man is above the law, even the president, Where did that lead us wrong? Where did that tie the president’s hands too tightly? This is all bullshit and any thinking person can see it.

He is now even trying to use it in his civil and criminal state case in NY. Where he wasn’t a president at the time the crimes were committed.

 

[TracyGraham]

Such that they will never have to vote again?He gonna fix it so good they never have to vote again. At best he is implying the system is broken. It isn’t. He lost. There was no fraud. No one has identified any amount of fraud that would have altered the results. He has 60 plus chances in court to prove fraud. He disnt and couldn’t. He bent over backwards trying every which way to tske the election from Biden He lost. He is a loser. At worst, using his exact words with no interpretation required.. he is saying what he will do cloaked in immunity. Terrifying stuff.

Oh, sorry, not sure if you read my post or I did a poor job of explaining my point...So I'll try again... I didn't interpret Trump as talking as about fraud or 2020 or anything related to a broken system(he briefly talked about voter id but that was tangential to the point). I interpreted it as him reminding Christians and jews that they better vote this time because stakes are super high. He further insinuates that he can fix the anti christian/jewish elements during his term so that it wont be crucial for them to vote in the future because the negative elements wont exist anymore. Does that make sense?

 

[Irish#1]

Well then why is he trying to throw out his conviction for paying off a porn star based off of their decision? Why did the judge postpone sentencing? No one has ever suggested prosecuting a president that did not commit a prosecutable crime in any of the states of the union why the need to parson off this BS? How about sticking with no man is above the law, even the president, Where did that lead us wrong? Where did that tie the president’s hands too tightly? This is all bullshit and any thinking person can see it.

He has the right to appeal.

 

[Irish#1]

Cancel elections. Immunity. Done.

Which of these if not all, do you see happening if Trump is elected?
1. Issues EO stating that he is president for the rest of his life or until he quits.
2. Issues EO stating that he makes all decisions for the country.
3. Issues EO saying there will be no more elections.
4. Issues EO where he gets to pick the next POTUS.
5. Issues orders to imprison Biden, Obama, Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi, etc.
6. Issues EO allowing him to replace anyone on the SC at his discretion.