Trump Presidency Round 2

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ColoradoIrish said:
Any of the numerous anti trans executive orders. They're being written so if they stand up to legal challenges it will completely invalidate any research or standards used for transgender people, WPATH specifically will be thrown out if challenges aren't successful.

Not providing federal funds for hospitals or any place that partakes in gender ideology will also eliminate me and others from receiving healthcare.

Trans people are being denied passports and because of that are unable to travel.

Anything related to transgender has been scrubbed from any government website as well.
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So what you are saying is if you break your arm you won’t get care for a hospital? Under what basis would this happen?

Denied passport because why? You don’t want to check a box you don’t like? If government passed a law that made me a women I check the damn box, who cares.

The words transgender scrubbed from government website… how does that make you disappear?
 
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TorontoGold said:
Got it - so you disagree with Trump on tariffs.

I treat people the way they deserve to be treated. I don't take the stance to treat someone like shit just because. Look at NoDak, him and I have very different views but we're cordial and can speak like rational human beings to each other. Maybe it's because he's able to look at data critically and brings a deeper understanding of legal matters because that's where he's trained in.

Poor hicks in Ohio are trivial in comparison to the number of women who've wanted access to their healthcare needs through abortion access, and the numerous LGBTQ people who've seen their identity attacked by those who support MAGA. I'll take being cruel to a targeted group of people who are trivial in comparison to the people who they are hurting.

You say "him", she's said she's a woman before.

Booing? Oh boy, you're going to be upset that some blue collar folk at a hockey game are pissed off that something is going to directly impact them because it's being done on the pretense of 43 pounds of fentanyl being seized. It's like if my dog peed on your lawn and burnt out a small patch, and then you decided to smash a window and wondered why I told the neighbors you sucked.
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I don’t disagree with Trumps Tariffs just because trade isn’t free.

I won’t read the rest of what you wrote because it’s all me v you and it’s tiring.
 
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So what you are saying is if you break your arm you won’t get care for a hospital? Under what basis would this happen?

Denied passport because why? You don’t want to check a box you don’t like? If government passed a law that made me a women I check the damn box, who cares.

The words transgender scrubbed from government website… how does that make you disappear?
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Are you dense, slow, or just purposely obtuse? I said healthcare related to being transgender.

They're straight up not issuing people passports. And they did pass an executive order stating your a women now so better get started on updating that.

By not acknowledging that a group of people exist and by passing laws that make it damn near impossible for that group to exist in society, you are making an effort to make that group of people disappear. That's why there's been genocide warnings issued for this very reason.

And since I know you all love when we compare Trump to Hitler and the Nazi's. The way this administration has handled transgender people is right out of their playbook.

mjhnyc.org

Transgender Experiences in Weimar and Nazi Germany

Before 1933, Germany was a center of LGBT+ community and culture. Then Hitler’s Nazi government brutally targeted the community.
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Transgender Life and Persecution under the Nazi State: Gutachten on the Vollbrecht Case | Central European History | Cambridge Core

Transgender Life and Persecution under the Nazi State: Gutachten on the Vollbrecht Case - Volume 56 Issue 4
www.cambridge.org www.cambridge.org

 
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Blazers46 said:
I don’t disagree with Trumps Tariffs just because trade isn’t free.

I won’t read the rest of what you wrote because it’s all me v you and it’s tiring.
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So what is the benefit of these tariffs that is going to outweigh the economic causalities.

Why don't you address Colorado as her?
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Are you dense, slow, or just purposely obtuse? I said healthcare related to being transgender.

They're straight up not issuing people passports. And they did pass an executive order stating your a women now so better get started on updating that.

By not acknowledging that a group of people exist and by passing laws that make it damn near impossible for that group to exist in society, you are making an effort to make that group of people disappear. That's why there's been genocide warnings issued for this very reason.

And since I know you all love when we compare Trump to Hitler and the Nazi's. The way this administration has handled transgender people is right out of their playbook.

mjhnyc.org

Transgender Experiences in Weimar and Nazi Germany

Before 1933, Germany was a center of LGBT+ community and culture. Then Hitler’s Nazi government brutally targeted the community.
mjhnyc.org mjhnyc.org

Transgender Life and Persecution under the Nazi State: Gutachten on the Vollbrecht Case | Central European History | Cambridge Core

Transgender Life and Persecution under the Nazi State: Gutachten on the Vollbrecht Case - Volume 56 Issue 4
www.cambridge.org www.cambridge.org

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To be fair I’m not transgender. I’ll admit to being pretty obtuse on the subject.

Pretty sure in Torontos latest post/rant he stated that you identify as a woman so what’s the problem with identifying as a woman on your passport?

Genocide? Yeah, you’re living fairly land. There is nothing I can say to help you.
 
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TorontoGold said:
So what is the benefit of these tariffs that is going to outweigh the economic causalities.

Why don't you address Colorado as her?
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Mexico sending troops to the border seems pretty beneficial. As far as Canada goes…. Not sure but in this game of chess it’s their turn.

Lol, because I didn’t know he was a her.
 
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To be fair I’m not transgender. I’ll admit to being pretty obtuse on the subject.

Pretty sure in Torontos latest post/rant he stated that you identify as a woman so what’s the problem with identifying as a woman on your passport?

Genocide? Yeah, you’re living fairly land. There is nothing I can say to help you.
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I'm telling you what is happening and providing sources, and you're rebuttal is I'm living in fairyland. Good constructive conversation.

I'm lucky that my passport was updated. Others arent getting updated passports and others are flat out being refused passports.

You're right nothing you can say will help. And you refusing to educate yourself on the topic is hurting your ability to help even more
 
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Blazers46 said:
To be fair I’m not transgender. I’ll admit to being pretty obtuse on the subject.

Pretty sure in Torontos latest post/rant he stated that you identify as a woman so what’s the problem with identifying as a woman on your passport?

Genocide? Yeah, you’re living fairly land. There is nothing I can say to help you.
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I think (not positive) the Department of State or whomever issues passports may be guided by an executive order saying males are males and females are females*. So the passport in that case might identify someone as a male, although that individual identifies as a woman.

*no intended offense to anyone. No idea if I even got it right.
 
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NorthDakota said:
I think (not positive) the Department of State or whomever issues passports may be guided by an executive order saying males are males and females are females*. So the passport in that case might identify someone as a male, although that individual identifies as a woman.

*no intended offense to anyone. No idea if I even got it right.
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Correct, and there's been some reported cases of people trying to get a passport without updated gender marker and them being denied.

I'm not sure what executive order it is, but they defined sex/gender(whatever term they used) as defined at conception. Which creates a whole other issue, since technically everyone is female for a few weeks
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Correct, and there's been some reported cases of people trying to get a passport without updated gender marker and them being denied.

I'm not sure what executive order it is, but they defined sex/gender(whatever term they used) as defined at conception. Which creates a whole other issue, since technically everyone is female for a few weeks
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I just pulled mine out to check, it says sex rather than gender, at least on mine. What does it say on yours? I don't remember filling it out. Just remember calling my senators office to get it expedited (lost my previous one, needed to go to a wedding overseas...a marriage that ended less than a year later because it turned out he was closeted lol)

I suppose if they wanted to clean up the language they could, or maybe will have to if/when people challenge it.
 
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NorthDakota said:
I just pulled mine out to check, it says sex rather than gender, at least on mine. What does it say on yours? I don't remember filling it out. Just remember calling my senators office to get it expedited (lost my previous one, needed to go to a wedding overseas...a marriage that ended less than a year later because it turned out he was closeted lol)

I suppose if they wanted to clean up the language they could, or maybe will have to if/when people challenge it.
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Mine says sex. I was in the same boat as you. I lost my previous one and had to get it replaced.

Sucks for the bride!

If I can explain this issue from the perspective of someone that is trans.

We have seen trans people straight up being denied passports currently. We're also seeing passports being issued that don't match with birth certificates, SSN and state IDs. The other issue is they're trans people who have had bottom surgery both m2f and f2m who have passports that show a sex that doesn't match the parts they have.

I get the not being a real man or women argument, but when I a trans male who has a cock has a passport that shows them as female, that's an issue.
 
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ColoradoIrish said:
Mine says sex. I was in the same boat as you. I lost my previous one and had to get it replaced.

Sucks for the bride!

If I can explain this issue from the perspective of someone that is trans.

We have seen trans people straight up being denied passports currently. We're also seeing passports being issued that don't match with birth certificates, SSN and state IDs. The other issue is they're trans people who have had bottom surgery both m2f and f2m who have passports that show a sex that doesn't match the parts they have.

I get the not being a real man or women argument, but when I a trans male who has a cock has a passport that shows them as female, that's an issue.
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This reads as an impossible riddle. I'm starting to think the trans community is responsible for common core.
 
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I think Trudeau is just saving some face. They’ll come around sooner rather than later.
 
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The US has leadership that is going to make our allies and adversaries pay attention and not ignore our interests any longer. Democrats are still arguing over representation.

 
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