Trump Presidency Round 2

[TorontoGold]

WFH is bad? Does anyone have staff? Being able to get your staff on a moments notice is huge. You no longer have a 5 day work week you have a 7 days. I guess, if you want to drag in everyone back to the office so can make small talk and ogle the admin I can see it being a downside. I do see the benefit in having less company paid iPhones if the staff have to use a landline, who knows what financial freedoms that can open up as I know that is the key to being rich!

 

[ulukinatme]

Reminds me of this. Instead of walking softy, walk loudly and carry a big stick.

 

[Irish#1]

Okay yes we can all agree with that, why not single out those people? Why punish the whole government workforce? Form a lazy work department and go after these employees and deport them to the unemployment line.

In theory, that's a good idea, but it's not practical and would take forever to weed out those folks due to red tape. By requiring everyone to return, you're not discriminating against anyone.

We don't have a WFH policy at my work, but I let my staff WFH once a week if they want to and I take a lot of flack for it. I only have one that does WFH and they are the one I trust the least. The others prefer to be in the office for several reasons. One is the human/social contact, but they feel more productive in the office because they can simply walk over, ask a question and get an immediate answer.

They are some jobs like AP & AR that can be easily monitored as to their productivity. Others, not so much.

 

[Irish#1]

That didn't last long. My DIL is Colombian. She and the son go to Colombia all the time. Per them, their president isn't real popular. He must have felt some heat real fast.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/26/politics/colombia-tariffs-trump-deportation-flights/index.html

 

[NDVirginia19]

The university? or the cities that are the homes of the University of Missouri and University of South Carolina?

 

[Irish#1]

 

[drayer54]

Dems are so desperate for a win. Pathetic.

 

[drayer54]

I’m down for cutting work from home. I know I am a person that cannot do well working from home, and I would figure there are a lot of wfh types that don’t do much all day. Also if people quit, then that sort of helps shrink the federal workforce. Win win.

I work hybrid. My most productive and talented direct report is one of my remote workers. Some can do it and do it well. Others, not so much. I can also waste a day in the office just as easily as at home.

 

[TorontoGold]

I work hybrid. My most productive and talented direct report is one of my remote workers. Some can do it and do it well. Others, not so much. I can also waste a day in the office just as easily as at home.

This. A blanket policy is lazy and ignorant. There are a ton of staff that I would love to have work solely remote, they are nice people but they waste tons of hours by just yapping. Any person with staff will say they care about deliverables and don’t have time in the day to be a hall monitor.

 

[calvegas04]

That didn't last long. My DIL is Colombian. She and the son go to Colombia all the time. Per them, their president isn't real popular. He must have felt some heat real fast.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/26/politics/colombia-tariffs-trump-deportation-flights/index.html

Is your son a very lucky guy?

 

[drayer54]

This. A blanket policy is lazy and ignorant. There are a ton of staff that I would love to have work solely remote, they are nice people but they waste tons of hours by just yapping. Any person with staff will say they care about deliverables and don’t have time in the day to be a hall monitor.

I'm a results manager. Do your job and I don't care how long your lunch was, where you were Friday afternoon, or whatever else you got going on. I refuse to be a hall manager. I have to deliver.

 

[RDU Irish]

They are cutting from other place. Musk already cut $420 million 😱😱😱

Only $1.96 trillion behind schedule.

Grammar hammer - how about a math hammer on this one? How tf do you get $1.96 trillion subtracting $420 million from $2 trillion?

Also love the WFH defenders here who admit to working 1/4th of the time for full time pay.

 

[calvegas04]

Also love the WFH defenders here who admit to working 1/4th of the time for full time papay.

I could also do the samething in a office and deliver the same results. Lots of ping pong and walking around chatting when I worked at the office.

 

[TorontoGold]

I'm a results manager. Do your job and I don't care how long your lunch was, where you were Friday afternoon, or whatever else you got going on. I refuse to be a hall manager. I have to deliver.

Bingo. I think it would be a hell of lot better if people just fired staff who are redundant than try bringing them into the office to fix their "issues". Don't make an adult babysitter for people who can't be professional, either you get your work done or not. If people are working late at the office I have to feed them and pay for parking, that's basically $100 a day during busy seasons.

To stay on topic - instead of bringing everyone back to the office for gov employees, just fire the ones you've identified you don't need. If you can't decide whether they're needed or not, then they're not needed. Let the adults manage their schedules, and continue on. Accessing sensitive government info? You're going into the office.

 

[Bluto]

I could also do the samething in an office and deliver the same results. Lots of ping pong and walking around chatting when I worked at the office.

I remember the good old days when people used to drink beer at work.

If the MAGAs wanna bring that back I’d support it.

 

[calvegas04]

I remember the good old days when people used to drink beer at work.

If the MAGAs wanna bring that back I’d support it.

Some offices out here have brought that back. Draftkings opened their office out here and the have a beer fridge.

I worked for Expedia and they had Happy hour every once in a while and would bring around carts of drinks.

I work at home now and it's always happy hour

 

[Bishop2b5]

Bingo. I think it would be a hell of lot better if people just fired staff who are redundant than try bringing them into the office to fix their "issues". Don't make an adult babysitter for people who can't be professional, either you get your work done or not. If people are working late at the office I have to feed them and pay for parking, that's basically $100 a day during busy seasons.

To stay on topic - instead of bringing everyone back to the office for gov employees, just fire the ones you've identified you don't need. If you can't decide whether they're needed or not, then they're not needed. Let the adults manage their schedules, and continue on. Accessing sensitive government info? You're going into the office.

You have no idea how difficult, time consuming, and almost impossible that is with Federal employees. Short of outright criminal behavior, it takes a long time and a ton of steps and documenting and 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances and more steps ad nauseum to get rid of an underperforming or even an insubordinate Federal employee. It's not like the private sector. You can't just fire them for being useless and lazy.

 

[calvegas04]

You have no idea how difficult, time consuming, and almost impossible that is with Federal employees. Short of outright criminal behavior, it takes a long time and a ton of steps and documenting and 2nd and 3rd and 4th chances and more steps ad nauseum to get rid of an underperforming or even an insubordinate Federal employee. It's not like the private sector. You can't just fire them for being useless and lazy.

Not true, I need so much documentation and multiple coachings and write ups. All of this has to be HR approved before we can move to a final write up and then separation.

Sounds like Federal managers may just be the lazy ones?

 

[Bishop2b5]

Not true, I need so much documentation and multiple coachings and write ups. All of this has to be HR approved before we can move to a final write up and then separation.

Sounds like Federal managers may just be the lazy ones?

What did you say about much documentation and multiple coachings and write ups that was different than what I said? You disagreed with me, then repeated my points.

 

[calvegas04]

What did you say about much documentation and multiple coachings and write ups that was different than what I said? You disagreed with me, then repeated my points.

Well you said it isn't like the private sector. But if we have problem employees we give them the support they need or they find their way to the unemployment line.

 

[Bishop2b5]

Well you said it isn't like the private sector. But if we have problem employees we give them the support they need or they find their way to the unemployment line.

My bad. I misread your post.

 

[Blazers46]

I work hybrid. My most productive and talented direct report is one of my remote workers. Some can do it and do it well. Others, not so much. I can also waste a day in the office just as easily as at home.

It’s very possible and I love working from home. I don’t think I can ever go back to the office and I’d probably retire if I had to. With that said, I wish I could invite people to come with me to the Clinton Building and many other HUUUuuuge buildings that are empty that operate very inefficient. People working from home”home” being” on the other side of the pond or at least different time zone. Very inefficient. They all admit working 2-3 days a week and are proud of it.

Bingo. I think it would be a hell of lot better if people just fired staff who are redundant than try bringing them into the office to fix their "issues". Don't make an adult babysitter for people who can't be professional, either you get your work done or not. If people are working late at the office I have to feed them and pay for parking, that's basically $100 a day during busy seasons.

To stay on topic - instead of bringing everyone back to the office for gov employees, just fire the ones you've identified you don't need. If you can't decide whether they're needed or not, then they're not needed. Let the adults manage their schedules, and continue on. Accessing sensitive government info? You're going into the office.

Yeah you don’t understand the issue. I think we can all agree and have all agreed a blanket bring back to office is lazy. The issue is top down and there is little oversight and there has rarely been any. From management on down… it’s been very inefficient. Half of me thinks it’s lazy, the other half of me thinks a blanket policy will weed out a lot of the problem itself. Probably weeds out good employees but it’s so widespread that cleaning house in the short term might be the efficient way to handle the inefficiencies.

 

[Irish#1]

Can you say dumbass?

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/jan-6-rioter-recently-pardoned-by-trump-shot-killed-by-indiana-sheriffs-deputy-while-resisting-arrest/?email=d141ae134e60d4931cc7af3baff813c2084a50fe&emaila=78a10f4e2a5f223444e0ecd8d55cd432&emailb=39f4d40448a728357cede9a91398244483dd6b122b4cdd8e1c0e2cd7d7f06d80&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News%20-%20WXIN%20-%20Breaking%20News%20-%20January%2027%2C%202025%2C%207:33%20pm%20UTC&utm_content=breaking%20news&utm_term=Breaking%20News

 

[calvegas04]

Trump take back everything you said yesterday

 

[Irish#1]

Is your son a very lucky guy?

At the risk of sounding like a creeper, yes.

 

[Blazers46]

I’m getting my haircut. I’m near DC. Another guy is here from Indiana. He is here because he’s been remote since 2020. His office has went 50/50 office/remote and expects to be 100% with Trump running things. He is looking forward to it… weird. That is all.

 

[GATTACA!]

Can you say dumbass?

https://fox59.com/indiana-news/jan-6-rioter-recently-pardoned-by-trump-shot-killed-by-indiana-sheriffs-deputy-while-resisting-arrest/?email=d141ae134e60d4931cc7af3baff813c2084a50fe&emaila=78a10f4e2a5f223444e0ecd8d55cd432&emailb=39f4d40448a728357cede9a91398244483dd6b122b4cdd8e1c0e2cd7d7f06d80&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Breaking%20News%20-%20WXIN%20-%20Breaking%20News%20-%20January%2027%2C%202025%2C%207:33%20pm%20UTC&utm_content=breaking%20news&utm_term=Breaking%20News

Trump loves the poorly educated.

Life hands you a absolute hail mary get out of jail free card and you can't even make it a few weeks.

 

[Irish#1]

Well you said it isn't like the private sector. But if we have problem employees we give them the support they need or they find their way to the unemployment line.

Unless it’s a real small business, this is pretty standard in the private sector as well. If you try to be selective on firing WFH government employees you’ll have lawsuits coming out your ass. Everything needs to be documented numerous times before taking action.

 

[TorontoGold]

Yeah you don’t understand the issue. I think we can all agree and have all agreed a blanket bring back to office is lazy. The issue is top down and there is little oversight and there has rarely been any. From management on down… it’s been very inefficient. Half of me thinks it’s lazy, the other half of me thinks a blanket policy will weed out a lot of the problem itself. Probably weeds out good employees but it’s so widespread that cleaning house in the short term might be the efficient way to handle the inefficiencies.

No, I understand it quite well. I've managed various teams from 20-50 people throughout COVID. The ones who are hall monitors are always the under utilized people who need work. People who are focused on "WFH" are those who need make-work projects to stay busy and take away from the profit centers to push their corporate jargon onto us. In the private sector you will never see the decision makers talking about WFH unless it's an HR directive. We go to HR to get shit done, if HR is coming to us to get shit done it's probably going to cost us.

WFH political government policy is made to satiate those that are under educated and want to take out their anger at the "corporate elites" or "white collar" people as "lazy" because actually addressing the core issues of efficiency is too complex for them.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I remember the good old days when people used to drink beer at work.

If the MAGAs wanna bring that back I’d support it.

Our office has a golf simulator, full bar, 8 TV's, and 2 kegs. And no I don't even work at Barstool.