Tommy Rees - Offensive Coordinator

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A good amount of people always claimed that the reason the offense wasn't as successful was that Rees didn't have full control. He is know saying that. So again the issues with the offense were in fact his fault.

I dont think its that simple at all. He certainly didn't make it sound simple.

What are "shackles"? Shackles in calling the plays or contructing the game plan?

It sounds like he has lots of respect for BK and would never say a bad word about him. It also sounds like he takes full responsibility for calling the plays he did, but makes mention that there won't be a "voice in his ear" anymore.

I get the sense BK was primary in constructing the offensive game plan and Tommy had nearly full control of what plays to call in that weeks plan. But now? The voice is gone.
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When combined with everything else I've heard him say, that was my take from the article.
 
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I dont think its that simple at all. He certainly didn't make it sound simple.

What are "shackles"? Shackles in calling the plays or contructing the game plan?

It sounds like he has lots of respect for BK and would never say a bad word about him. It also sounds like he takes full responsibility for calling the plays he did, but makes mention that there won't be a "voice in his ear" anymore.

I get the sense BK was primary in constructing the offensive game plan and Tommy had nearly full control of what plays to call in that weeks plan. But now? The voice is gone.
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When combined with everything else I've heard him say, that was my take from the article.

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A head coach can give the OC the freedom to call any play he wants. However, the OC knows what plays are probably outside the head coach’s comfort zone. Can he still call any play he wants? Sure. But if he calls that play and it results in a negative play, he still knows there’s a huge likelihood that he’s going to get his ass chewed.

Does he have complete freedom? Technically yes. However it’s foolish to think that the OC’s play calling isn’t impacted by the hell that he could potentially catch for calling the negative play that was outside the comfort zone of the head coach
 

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Different opinions and takes make for the message board world. And opinions are like assholes everyone has one.
@IrishBoognish isn't wrong. For one, Rees is walking a fine line here. He admits that he's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't as far as admitting job responsibility. He gives credit to Kelly for giving him opportunities both on and off the field, he's not going to burn that bridge out of loyalty. At the same time he admits that while he (Rees) mostly had control that didn't mean Kelly didn't interject at times. To take it one step further as far as offensive struggles go...is he to blame that our WR group was awful the last two years since he took over as OC? Or that the OL was abysmal for at least 6 games in '21? A lot of those issues stemmed from problems before he took over the position, and yet we still managed to put a decent offense on the field despite the limitations.

Bottom line, if there were offensive struggles it can't all be chalked up to play calling, it's a complex issue. I'm all for criticizing the OC for matters that they have control over, but there was a severe lack of talent and at times experience at positions the last two years and that stemmed from decisions prior to Rees taking over. The fact he was still able to make some lemonade with those lemons shouldn't be discounted. In the next two years we're going to see all these freshmen step up that dominated in '21, the future is bright offensively. '22 and certainly '23 will be the years where we'll see what Tommy can do with a full deck.
 

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CJ Carr had a quote here that he felt better about Freeman assuring him they are gonna hire the best guys possible if/when assistants leave.

Sounds like not gonna ignore the possibility a 2024 kid especially isn’t gonna be coached/recruited till the end by Rees
 

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CJ Carr had a quote here that he felt better about Freeman assuring him they are gonna hire the best guys possible if/when assistants leave.

Sounds like not gonna ignore the possibility a 2024 kid especially isn’t gonna be coached/recruited till the end by Rees
There may be exceptions with older guys like Heistand, but really no kid should expect the assistant coach who recruits them as a junior in high school to still be the assistant coach they’re playing for on Senior Day. And any high school coach or whatever adult is advising them should make that clear.

If a coach is good enough to make a difference to a recruit he’s almost certainly good enough to get a “better” job at some point in the next five years.
 

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There may be exceptions with older guys like Heistand, but really no kid should expect the assistant coach who recruits them as a junior in high school to still be the assistant coach they’re playing for on Senior Day. And any high school coach or whatever adult is advising them should make that clear.

If a coach is good enough to make a difference to a recruit he’s almost certainly good enough to get a “better” job at some point in the next five years.

*sophomore

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Eh, I’ll wait until guys actually sign. Then how they develop. Then how high they’re drafted. Then how well their NFL career goes. Check back in a decade.
 

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One night after ND lost to Michigan about 10 years ago I had one too many drinks. I was on the old IE site ripping Tommy Rees. I take it all back. Tommy's got the one trait all successful people have - hes a straight up grinder.
Always has been. Even 10-12 years ago when he was QB of a Notre Dame team that lost games Notre Dame shouldn’t lose.
 

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Always has been. Even 10-12 years ago when he was QB of a Notre Dame team that lost games Notre Dame shouldn’t lose.
When all is said and done Tommy could end up being one of the most influential alumni to come through ND's doors in some time. It'll all depend on how these recruits turn out and what the team does in the coming years. He's certainly set himself up very well offensively in the coming years, starting with last year's freshmen class. I think he'd be a fool to go anywhere else unless it's a big time HC job. Very little reason to take a Vandy type job at this juncture I think. Succeed on a big stage a bit in the next several years and he could be like Kirby Smart and take over a top end program.

Really gotta wonder what may have happened if Tommy didn't enroll early, or didn't sign at all. BK was on thin ice some of those years, and in some of those early seasons Tommy's backups certainly didn't play great when their numbers were called. We very easily could have lost a few more games in those early seasons without Tommy...does Jack retain BK and continue to build the program, or do they hit the reset button again? Do we ever get another Marcus Freeman type coach if the program continued to tank?
 

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In 2012 I ended a friday work day in Boonville, IN and drove straight to south bend slept on a couch bc one of my best friends called and had a ticked to the Michigan game. That game Manti went off and the one offensive touchdown we scored was on Tommy’s legs and heart. He became touchdown tommy to me. That friend is now battling a brain tumor and my constant prayers are with him. The memory of that game, with my friend, and Tommy as a reliever beating MI is my favorite and therefor I am ridiculously biased towards coach Reese.
 

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In 2012 I ended a friday work day in Boonville, IN and drove straight to south bend slept on a couch bc one of my best friends called and had a ticked to the Michigan game. That game Manti went off and the one offensive touchdown we scored was on Tommy’s legs and heart. He became touchdown tommy to me. That friend is now battling a brain tumor and my constant prayers are with him. The memory of that game, with my friend, and Tommy as a reliever beating MI is my favorite and therefor I am ridiculously biased towards coach Reese.
I was there too, it was beautiful. I've been rooting for him since the Utah upset, but snapping the losing streak against USC that year was the definitive moment that solidified everything...so many awful, awful losses to Cheaty Petey. I was there for most of those home losses...embarrassment in '03, the Bush Push in '05, to the humiliation in '07 and Clausen's near comeback in '09. I damn near cried when we finally beat the Trojans again, even if it was in Southern Cal.

Prayers for your friend. Need someone with better connections than me to get Tommy to sign something for your buddy. We don't know anyone with the staff.
 

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I was there too, it was beautiful. I've been rooting for him since the Utah upset, but snapping the losing streak against USC that year was the definitive moment that solidified everything...so many awful, awful losses to Cheaty Petey. I was there for most of those home losses...embarrassment in '03, the Bush Push in '05, to the humiliation in '07 and Clausen's near comeback in '09. I damn near cried when we finally beat the Trojans again, even if it was in Southern Cal.

Prayers for your friend. Need someone with better connections than me to get Tommy to sign something for your buddy. We don't know anyone with the staff.
Thank you so much.
 

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Rees was always the man. Had horrible physical limitations but it’s not his fault he was the best QB option we had many years. Even as a backup in 2012, we likely lose to Purdue, Michigan, Stanford, and BYU if he isn’t on the roster to help save those games.
 

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I'm a big Tommy supporter, and it's great that we're going to have a top tier 24 QB locked up, but I'm not sure how this is being spun into a positive when it essentially means that Tommy failed again for the class of 23. Turns out 23 was like 22 in that Tommy bet on the wrong horse to end up at ND, and now we're going to settle and wait on "the guy" to arrive after another year. I remember when it looked like we lead for Vizz and told him "thanks, but no thanks" because we wanted to go all in on Moore. Turns out that was a miscalculation.

Obviously if Carr reclassifies that changes everything. But even if you're of the opinion now that Moore is a headcase and that it would never work with him, then Tommy misread the situation and bet the 23 class on a headcase instead of keeping things open and pushing for other top tier QBs.
 

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I'm a big Tommy supporter, and it's great that we're going to have a top tier 24 QB locked up, but I'm not sure how this is being spun into a positive when it essentially means that Tommy failed again for the class of 23. Turns out 23 was like 22 in that Tommy bet on the wrong horse to end up at ND, and now we're going to settle and wait on "the guy" to arrive after another year. I remember when it looked like we lead for Vizz and told him "thanks, but no thanks" because we wanted to go all in on Moore. Turns out that was a miscalculation.

Obviously if Carr reclassifies that changes everything. But even if you're of the opinion now that Moore is a headcase and that it would never work with him, then Tommy misread the situation and bet the 23 class on a headcase instead of keeping things open and pushing for other top tier QBs.
This is where I'm at. Tommy gets all the credit for Carr, but Moore still happened.

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I'm a big Tommy supporter, and it's great that we're going to have a top tier 24 QB locked up, but I'm not sure how this is being spun into a positive when it essentially means that Tommy failed again for the class of 23. Turns out 23 was like 22 in that Tommy bet on the wrong horse to end up at ND, and now we're going to settle and wait on "the guy" to arrive after another year. I remember when it looked like we lead for Vizz and told him "thanks, but no thanks" because we wanted to go all in on Moore. Turns out that was a miscalculation.

Obviously if Carr reclassifies that changes everything. But even if you're of the opinion now that Moore is a headcase and that it would never work with him, then Tommy misread the situation and bet the 23 class on a headcase instead of keeping things open and pushing for other top tier QBs.

This is where I'm at. Tommy gets all the credit for Carr, but Moore still happened.

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Maybe I'm being too soft considering his past issues recruiting the QB position (slow to offer, slow to identify a top guy, overly-reliant on single-camp showings, etc.), but all evidence from every direction points to Rees *knowing* he had his guy with a certainty. '23 isn't over yet, and despite what Loy says, we don't know how Rees and co. handle Moore moving forward until we see other offers go out, or until Moore reveals some info of his own.

And even if they have to move on from Moore, and decided to recruit over him by grabbing a '24 QB and then back-tracking for a depth guy in '23, I have a hard time putting the failure on Rees if he was operating with an understanding from the Moore's that Dante was all-in. It's one thing to misread a situation after telling a guy to take his visits and then make his public commitment... it's another to be strung along, and finally cutting ties when you're certain that is what's happening. And it appears we have reached that point with Dante (maybe?).

Based on how the entire beat, the other teams' coaching staffs, and even off-the-record insiders have been treating news on Moore, it's almost a 100% certainty that he gave his pledge behind the scenes. And as @IrishLax said, Moore keeps showing up at places that are giving last-ditch efforts via big NIL offers, and everyone is freaking out, but he keeps saying "no thanks" as if it's all moot. How else could you read that if you're Tommy?

And last: Dante has never hidden the fact that he wants to commit before his senior season. Just because the beat expected it to be earlier based on the behind-the-scenes juice, doesn't change the fact that Dante has never said "I'm committing early and not taking any visits." He still has ~2 months before his senior season starts. He's doing exactly what he said he would do. The consternation comes from the fact that he's talking about potentially moving the goal posts, after giving everyone the vibes that it was over, and we were just waiting for some formality.

Tommy's only fault is not pressing for CV at the same time, and making those guys race to the spot. But even then, I have a hard time holding too much against him, because he probably had Moore rated more highly (and maybe not to an insignificant degree), and then also learned that Moore was locked up.


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You can't write off your silent QB commit as a head case until he gives you enough evidence, and we haven't even reached that point with Moore yet based on his own official timeline. I don't fault Tommy for playing it as he has thus far.
 

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Eh, I’ll wait until guys actually sign. Then how they develop. Then how high they’re drafted. Then how well their NFL career goes. Check back in a decade.

I'm a big Tommy supporter, and it's great that we're going to have a top tier 24 QB locked up, but I'm not sure how this is being spun into a positive when it essentially means that Tommy failed again for the class of 23. Turns out 23 was like 22 in that Tommy bet on the wrong horse to end up at ND, and now we're going to settle and wait on "the guy" to arrive after another year. I remember when it looked like we lead for Vizz and told him "thanks, but no thanks" because we wanted to go all in on Moore. Turns out that was a miscalculation.

Obviously if Carr reclassifies that changes everything. But even if you're of the opinion now that Moore is a headcase and that it would never work with him, then Tommy misread the situation and bet the 23 class on a headcase instead of keeping things open and pushing for other top tier QBs.

This is where I'm at. Tommy gets all the credit for Carr, but Moore still happened.

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We do not NEED a 2023 QB. I've been saying it all along. All-in for Moore, and now landing Carr, is not a catastrophic situation.

The fact that people thought Moore was committing two months ago, dragged this out, and now we are potentially landing an elite 2024 prospect despite all of that in just two months is actually pretty incredible work.

And if they do in fact move on from Moore, that gives the staff another 6 months until NSD to identify a nice depth prospect, a la Ian Book (or better), in this class.
 
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We do not need a 2023 QB. I've been saying it all along. All-in for Moore, and now landing Carr, is not a catastrophic situation.

The fact that people thought Moore was committing two months ago, dragged this out, and now we are potentially landing an elite 2024 prospect despite all of that in just two months is actually pretty incredible work.

And if they do in fact move on from Moore, that gives the staff another 6 months until NSD to identify a nice depth prospect, a la Ian Book (or better), in this class.

People seem to think this is Tommy's fault that Moore keeps moving the goal posts.
 

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People seem to think this is Tommy's fault that Moore keeps moving the goal posts.
I really think it was savvy how he and Freeman handled this QB recruitment. Allegedly, from what we can all glean, Moore appeared to be all-in after his April visit. So, knowing they have two guys in Sayin/Carr in 2024 who are extremely interested, they decide to end all recruitments outside of Moore in 2023.

Low and behold, Moore starts getting a little flirty with other programs, and Carr is ready to commit. Now, we can keep recruiting Moore if we choose, since majority of his top suiters appear to be well off with their 2022/2024 QB commitments, but we can reevaluate with 180 days until NSD to find a guy to compliment the QB room in 2023 if he goes elsewhere.

That's chess, not checkers.
 

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I feel like I need to remind people that we are trying, and getting very close to, taking the next step with recruiting here at ND. To me that next step does not include missing out on our 5* ‘23 QB prospect and saying “well we have a near 5* starting QB this year, a ‘24 guy that is supposed to commit here in a few days, and some “serviceable” guys that could step in and can probably beat Cal if needed. We need a high quality QB option every single year. Some will pan out, some won’t and will transfer. Hoping that we will strike gold with an Ian Book over and over should not be the goal here.
 
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I feel like I need to remind people that we are trying, and getting very close to, taking the next step with recruiting here at ND. To me that next step does not include missing out on our 5* ‘23 QB prospect and saying “well we have a near 5* starting QB this year, a ‘24 guy that is supposed to commit here in a few days, and some “serviceable” guys that could step in and can probably beat Cal if needed. We need a high quality QB option every single year. Some will pan out, some won’t and will transfer. Hoping that we will strike gold with an Ian Book over and over should not be the goal here.
And I'll say again, that's exactly what the staff tried to do but they were clearly misled by what Moore's camp told them back in the spring. There's no way that they shut down the Vizzina recruitment unless they were 100% led to believe they'd land Moore.

He appeared to have a change of heart somewhere since then, but the staff must be feeling really good about Buchner's development coupled with the opportunity to land Carr/Sayin.

It's a fine theory. Of course every staff is going to try and land an elite QB every single cycle. But it's not as easy to execute as it is to dream about it. As much as we want to be, we aren't Bama (yet), OSU (yet) or Clemson (yet). I say yet because I believe that Freeman and this recruiting momentum can help us take that next leap into the upper tier, but until you can prove Oklahoma like QB production year over year, good luck landing a top 5 QB every cycle.

Just a friendly reminder that these QB recruits from all over the nation don't own the same pair of shamrock sunglasses we all wear on a daily basis.
 

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Like it or not, recruiting is a results game. Admitting that Rees misplayed his hand for the last 2 years isn't some crazy negative spin. I have as much sympathy for Rees dealing with Moore "suddenly" changing his tune as I did with Del dealing with Walker last year. That sucks that his well-made plan didn't work out, but it's literally his job to get a 5 star QB to sign with ND every cycle. Let's not pretend ND doesn't have unique advantages when It comes to QB recruiting over nearly every other school in the country.

If we get Moore he's a genius (and I hope he is, because I've been a big Tommy supporter), but if we don't it's another cycle of us playing catch-up and going with plan B-C for the most important position on the field. The only reason people aren't more pissed off is because a good 24 QB is committing at the same time we're finding out we've probably whiffed again at finding a gamechanger in 23.
 
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I don't fault Tommy for playing it as he has thus far.

To be clear, I have no issue with how this was handled per se. I'm operating under the current hypothetical scenario that is being put out by the beat writers that we're moving on from Moore in 23 because we've been played and/or there's been a change of heart. If that's not true and everything with Moore is still an ongoing situation, that's great.

I'm not a recruiting expert in the same way that I'm not offensive coordinator. I'm just a fan. But a fan can tell you when an offense consistently stalls in the redzone, even if he can't tell you why that happens. If we don't get Moore, our QB recruiting has been stalling and the results have been lackluster for multiple cycles.
 
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