To all who want to dump Kelly for a coach like Tom Herman or Phillip John Fleck, etc

[simontonlake]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

 

[NorthDakota]

Why did you list 1 elite private school, and then a bunch of state schools?

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Just as a sidenote a lot of the cities you named suck.

 

[Cali_domer]

Why did you list 1 elite private school, and then a bunch of state schools?

Just as a sidenote a lot of the cities you named suck.

My first thoughts as well...

 

[Irish4Life09]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.[/QUOTE

 

[Rocket 94]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

Um I think plenty of coaches would line up to coach at ND with the resources it has. Just a dumb post. Kelly is not the best coach that ND could have, stop limiting yourself to just mediocre coaches. ND is not run by Monk Malloy any longer.

 

[MNIrishman]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

Tuscaloosa is like South Bend with sweat stains and obesity.

 

[DCirishfan]

Um I think plenty of coaches would line up to coach at ND with the resources it has. Just a dumb post. Kelly is not the best coach that ND could have, stop limiting yourself to just mediocre coaches. ND is not run by Monk Malloy any longer.

Bang on.

 

[dang227]

Tuscaloosa is like South Bend with sweat stains and obesity.

That is not a pleasant image


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[Sherm Sticky]

Um I think plenty of coaches would line up to coach at ND with the resources it has. Just a dumb post. Kelly is not the best coach that ND could have, stop limiting yourself to just mediocre coaches. ND is not run by Monk Malloy any longer.

What coach better than Kelly could Notre Dame get to coach for them? Names please...


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[DCirishfan]

It doesn't matter what names anyone will give you clearly believe that Kelly is all we can get and all we deserve. I think that mentality is unfortunate we are a Premier program and I don't think we should sell ourselves short out of fear.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I can't believe this is even a thread

 

[philipm31]

Um I think plenty of coaches would line up to coach at ND with the resources it has. Just a dumb post. Kelly is not the best coach that ND could have, stop limiting yourself to just mediocre coaches. ND is not run by Monk Malloy any longer.

This.

Justin Fuente went from Memphis to VT. Herman is making huge noise at Houston right now, the kind they have not made since the days of Andre Ware.

This post is beyond the pale in terms of stupidity.

 

[philipm31]

What coach better than Kelly could Notre Dame get to coach for them? Names please...


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That is a silly question.

Kelly is not getting any better, and in fact is not showing any improvement or willingness to improve in any of his weaknesses.

Neither is anyone on his coaching staff. That starts at the top. If anything, a great coach should have a great coaching tree. Look at the pedigree. Nobody thought that ND could get a coach like Lou and it did...and where had he coached that was on par with ND at the team, other than ARK? Nowhere. ND just need to do their research and find the best candidate, because we ARE selling ourselves short if we think that the University can NOT do any better than Kelly. If you REALLY think that, then what happens when he leaves before the end of his contract? Because you know he is not going to make it another five years here. Nobody has coached here that long.

And certainly not that long without at least one national title.

We are never getting a NC with Kelly. That is pretty clear.

Lou took Faust's seniors and turned them into National Title holders. It can be done again. Just not with Kelly. But maybe with his recruits.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That is a silly question.

Kelly is not getting any better, and in fact is not showing any improvement or willingness to improve in any of his weaknesses.

Neither is anyone on his coaching staff. That starts at the top. If anything, a great coach should have a great coaching tree. Look at the pedigree. Nobody thought that ND could get a coach like Lou and it did...and where had he coached that was on par with ND at the team, other than ARK? Nowhere. ND just need to do their research and find the best candidate, because we ARE selling ourselves short if we think that the University can NOT do any better than Kelly. If you REALLY think that, then what happens when he leaves before the end of his contract? Because you know he is not going to make it another five years here. Nobody has coached here that long.

And certainly not that long without at least one national title.

We are never getting a NC with Kelly. That is pretty clear.

Lou took Faust's seniors and turned them into National Title holders. It can be done again. Just not with Kelly. But maybe with his recruits.

Yes let's get Urban Myer. Oh that's right we already tried that and he turned ND down because admissions wouldn't allow a few player exceptions. So the let's get stuck with another Charlie Weis please!

Please you people who think Notre Dame is still a premier college program are the ones who are delusional. You bring up Lou Holtz coming in and winning. That's is 30 years ago. Not 10 years ago but 30.

But yet I'm the delusional one?


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[Rocket 94]

What coach better than Kelly could Notre Dame get to coach for them? Names please...


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The names don't matter at this point. Just saying that Kelly is the best we can do is a defeatist attitude and one that permeates this fanbase. I get it, we haven't won a major bowl since 1994. Doesn't mean that someone better can't be had with the resources ND has.

ND is investing a half a billion in its football program with the stadium renovation and the upgrades to the Gug (which has been reported as part of Kelly's extension). Kelly has this program's future upward, no reason that another coach can't come here to get it over the hump. I am not talking about Urban or Nick Saban either.

Kelly has peaked at ND I am afraid. We need a coach that is going to win New Year's Day bowl games and playoff games.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

The names don't matter at this point. Just saying that Kelly is the best we can do is a defeatist attitude and one that permeates this fanbase. I get it, we haven't won a major bowl since 1994. Doesn't mean that someone better can't be had with the resources ND has.



ND is investing a half a billion in its football program with the stadium renovation and the upgrades to the Gug (which has been reported as part of Kelly's extension). Kelly has this program's future upward, no reason that another coach can't come here to get it over the hump. I am not talking about Urban or Nick Saban either.



Kelly has peaked at ND I am afraid. We need a coach that is going to win New Year's Day bowl games and playoff games.

You want a coach to win New Year's Day games? That has not happened in 25 years or so.

But Notre Dame is a premier program and the next coach in that replaces Kelly, because Notre Dame can get whatever coach they want, I'm sure will be winning New Years bowls regularly and atleast one National Championship.


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[irishff1014]

Yes let's get Urban Myer. Oh that's right we already tried that and he turned ND down because admissions wouldn't allow a few player exceptions. So the let's get stuck with another Charlie Weis please!

Please you people who think Notre Dame is still a premier college program are the ones who are delusional. You bring up Lou Holtz coming in and winning. That's is 30 years ago. Not 10 years ago but 30.

But yet I'm the delusional one?


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This is truth ND is not a premier football team anymore.

 

[Rudy89]

Not saying dump Kelly but he ain't worth the money we are paying him. Did he get us out of the shit can yes but he can't get over the hump. We aren't elite and i don't see us becoming elite. Yeah we went to a national title game and a major bowl but what happened in those games humiliation at the hands of an elite team in college football. Until I see some big wins under his belt Kelly will always be a middle of the road coach and we will be a middle of the road team. Truthfully though even if we do fire him I don't see an elite coach coming here. Do we honestly see someone like Saban or Myer coming here? Kelly is the best we can get and we can just hope for some fun years maybe with a few big upsets and some mid tier bowl trophies. Sure beats being 6-6 5-7

 

[Cali_domer]

The names don't matter at this point. Just saying that Kelly is the best we can do is a defeatist attitude and one that permeates this fanbase. I get it, we haven't won a major bowl since 1994. Doesn't mean that someone better can't be had with the resources ND has.

ND is investing a half a billion in its football program with the stadium renovation and the upgrades to the Gug (which has been reported as part of Kelly's extension). Kelly has this program's future upward, no reason that another coach can't come here to get it over the hump. I am not talking about Urban or Nick Saban either.

Kelly has peaked at ND I am afraid. We need a coach that is going to win New Year's Day bowl games and playoff games.

Well put, personally I believe in trying to be the best. I don't shoot for good enough. Heck all ND needs to do is take the attitude they did in building the crossroads project, dream big, refuse to dream small(The ad the put out).

I'm not calling for BK head yet, but this whole Texas debacle is on him. BVG should have been fired. If this season craters then I will come back and see if BK needs to go.

 

[mgriff]

The names don't matter at this point. Just saying that Kelly is the best we can do is a defeatist attitude and one that permeates this fanbase. I get it, we haven't won a major bowl since 1994. Doesn't mean that someone better can't be had with the resources ND has.

ND is investing a half a billion in its football program with the stadium renovation and the upgrades to the Gug (which has been reported as part of Kelly's extension). Kelly has this program's future upward, no reason that another coach can't come here to get it over the hump. I am not talking about Urban or Nick Saban either.

Kelly has peaked at ND I am afraid. We need a coach that is going to win New Year's Day bowl games and playoff games.

What major, successful coach is going to come to a program, with albeit great resources that handicaps their ability to win? Make no mistake, that's what the higher standards achieve. You need a very specific type of person to agree to that, and most won't take the risk to their career when there are a plethora of other options that operate on the NCAA standard, or even below when it comes to obtaining talent for the football program. These days of thinking some well established coach is going to go from an easy scenario to a very difficult one at ND, just because we were great for decades is ridiculous. It's a pipe dream. It is never going to happen again. No elite coach will come here to be handicapped in their ability win. If we won't provide resources for a coach to get exactly what they need, in the talent department, we need to get coaches, like Kelly, who are up for the challenge of doing it at a higher standard.

 

[Rocket 94]

You want a coach to win New Year's Day games? That has not happened in 25 years or so.

But Notre Dame is a premier program and the next coach in that replaces Kelly, because Notre Dame can get whatever coach they want, I'm sure will be winning New Years bowls regularly and atleast one National Championship.


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Ok we get it. You don't think ND is a premier football program any longer. The ND brand is as strong as ever though. And just because we have not won a major bowl in 22 years doesn't mean it is going to continue. Too much money being invested in the program right now. If they didn't care about football they would have kept Davie, Willingham or Weis and they would not be renovating the stadium at a tune of $400 million.

Now the administration at ND is inept and has been but it is not as bad as when Monk Malloy was around.

 

[Rocket 94]

What major, successful coach is going to come to a program, with albeit great resources that handicaps their ability to win? Make no mistake, that's what the higher standards achieve. You need a very specific type of person to agree to that, and most won't take the risk to their career when there are a plethora of other options that operate on the NCAA standard, or even below when it comes to obtaining talent for the football program. These days of thinking some well established coach is going to go from an easy scenario to a very difficult one at ND, just because we were great for decades is ridiculous. It's a pipe dream. It is never going to happen again. No elite coach will come here to be handicapped in their ability win. If we won't provide resources for a coach to get exactly what they need, in the talent department, we need to get coaches, like Kelly, who are up for the challenge of doing it at a higher standard.

Then why did Brian Kelly take the job? After all he was the "elite" coach available in 2009. What makes you think the next guy would not jump at the job? Kelly could have had the Tennessee or Washington job with less restrictions and chose ND instead. The ND job is better now than it was in 2009 anyway. The infrastructure is better and the facilities are being upgraded yet again at the Gug.

 

[Kingbish01]

I'm still just trying to come up with a few names. I'm being serious...If not Kelly, who?? Would Herman come to ND, maybe. Could he win with ND academic standards, maybe. But the landscape of college football has changed, this isn't 20 years ago. Herman could easily get into the big 12 and have a shot at a Championship year in and year out. Shit, he may have a shot this year if he gets past Louisville

 

[MNIrishman]

Ok we get it. You don't think ND is a premier football program any longer. The ND brand is as strong as ever though. And just because we have not won a major bowl in 22 years doesn't mean it is going to continue. Too much money being invested in the program right now. If they didn't care about football they would have kept Davie, Willingham or Weis and they would not be renovating the stadium at a tune of $400 million.

Now the administration at ND is inept and has been but it is not as bad as when Monk Malloy was around.

Which administration are you talking about? The one that organized the renovation or the one that's sailed us steady through conference realignment? How about the one that changed university standards to allow exceptions like Tee Shepherd? Or the one that remodeled discipline to be less draconian for common offenses like marijuana?

 

[Rocket 94]

Which administration are you talking about? The one that organized the renovation or the one that's sailed us steady through conference realignment? How about the one that changed university standards to allow exceptions like Tee Shepherd? Or the one that remodeled discipline to be less draconian for common offenses like ma rijuana?

You are right on all accounts here. This is where the administration has improved by leaps and bounds. They still don't know how to take the next step with fielding a championship level team that Holtz would have. They have a championship offense but can't have it coincide with a championship level defense. This goes more toward Swarbrick than it does the higher ups. Swarbrick needs to demand the defense be just as good as the offense.

 

[BGIF]

Which administration are you talking about? The one that organized the renovation or the one that's sailed us steady through conference realignment? How about the one that changed university standards to allow exceptions like Tee Shepherd? Or the one that remodeled discipline to be less draconian for common offenses like marijuana?

Please expound on the "university standards" that the Jenkins Administration allegedly changed for Tee Shepherd according to you.

 

[NDohio]

Then why did Brian Kelly take the job? After all he was the "elite" coach available in 2009. What makes you think the next guy would not jump at the job? Kelly could have had the Tennessee or Washington job with less restrictions and chose ND instead. The ND job is better now than it was in 2009 anyway. The infrastructure is better and the facilities are being upgraded yet again at the Gug.

Because ND was/is his dream job. How many elite coaches have ND as their dream job?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Because ND was/is his dream job. How many elite coaches have ND as their dream job?

Myer did at one point, until the administration turned him off of ND.


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[NDVirginia19]

Myer did at one point, until the administration turned him off of ND.


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Or maybe he saw how easy it was winning with lax rules and standards for your athletes and didn't want to put burdens on himself