To all who want to dump Kelly for a coach like Tom Herman or Phillip John Fleck, etc

[Rocket 94]

Because ND was/is his dream job. How many elite coaches have ND as their dream job?

Kelly has been quoted as saying his dream job was Boston College. Not ND.

 

[bluengold4732]

If Kelly stops his stubborn approach and brings in a new S&C coach and talented defensive assistants we'll be fine. I don't see him doing that though. All of his decision making from coaches, game management, play-calling, player personnel, to recruiting shows he is set in his ways. Unless he adapts ten win seasons are the ceiling for this program. At half time when Holly Rowe asked him where ND needed to improve on defense in the 2nd half he replied " I LIKE WHERE WE ARE (??????) Defensively, we just need to tidy up the back end a little." That's not championship talk.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Or maybe he saw how easy it was winning with lax rules and standards for your athletes and didn't want to put burdens on himself

That's what I'm saying. Note Dame didn't want the lower standards that Myer was looking for. That's why he left ND and went to Florida


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[NDohio]

Myer did at one point, until the administration turned him off of ND.


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Exactly. The coaches that were young coaches when ND was still elite are all getting up in years. None of the young, up and coming coaches have ever seen ND as a consistent national championship contender in football. We will need someone like Sanford who spent some time as a kid in SB. How many of those are there?

 

[shalom]

Um I think plenty of coaches would line up to coach at ND with the resources it has. Just a dumb post. Kelly is not the best coach that ND could have, stop limiting yourself to just mediocre coaches. ND is not run by Monk Malloy any longer.

A lot of coaches would line up to coach at ND, just not anyone like Urban Meyer, Harbaugh, Saban etc. And I see ppl talking about Meyer. Even Meyer, for whom it was a "dream job" quickly got dissuaded of that dream once he actually got here and saw what being HC at ND would actually consist of. If you can't even land THAT DUDE who are you going to land at that caliber. Any of these elite elite coaches you're talking about puts WINNING as #1. Not "tradition" not "prestige" not "dream job." That's why they are where they are. You guys just summed up the catch 22.... you pretty much want a mercenary guy like Saban who will do anything to win... unfortunately that means staying away from places like ND which has high standards that makes winning HARDER.

So Brian Kelly is not a tier 1/Top 10 coach. But which PROVEN tier 1/Top 10 coach would take the ND job over a shitty state school that would be easier to win at?

Basically you're talking about lucking out and grabbing a FUTURE HOF type coach on his way up... rolling the dice... peering into the crystal ball. Pretty much like the whiffs that ND has swung on in the past before Kelly. And if you land one of those guys who has tasted the victory... the thing he wants most in the world is to stay on top. How long do you think ND would told onto a guy like that if Texas or USC backs up a truck to come make winning even more of a sure thing?

In reality Kelly is pretty much near the top of what you could expect. He might not be the best of the best but that's like having a smoking hot wife and bitching that she's not a supermodel. How many "best of the best" type coaches do you think ND is going to have the next 50 years? 1? Maybe? The next guy being a big improvement over Kelly is very unlikely maybe 1 in 10? At best the next guy will be about as good as Kelly

Kelly first of all is a great talker and incredible promoter of Notre Dame. How many of these other guys are going to be out there able to oversell ND as this world class university? From a really myopic view where the world revolves around Notre Dame it might not be evident but ND is really back as a brand through the TV series, undefeated run, David Robinson's son, Tory Hunter's son etc all being here. How Kelly has managed to get all these kids into the first round of the NFL is impressive. He has that OL, TE and other positions on lockdown.

Obviously Kelly has pluses and minuses. The job he's done with recruiting is incredible. But he's screwed up some major talents when they enrolled here. Kelly is a great motivator and preparer but his Xs and Os aren't top top level... especially at major bowl games etc.

Look if you follow a team they're going to win and they're going to lose. It's funny and sad at the same time that that's the Primary Tenet, Rule 1, Prime Directive of following any team and yet people just can't master it. Losing to Texas was bollocks but if you look at the talent on the field last night and compare to circa 2009 the job Kelly has done is manifest. Kelly has the team at least in contention to be in contention for a natty. No matter what it's a toss up (bordering on neg) whether the next guy or the next 5 guys will do as good a job at NB. Real talk.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

Tuscaloosa is like South Bend with sweat stains and obesity.

It stinks too.
The Michelin Tire Plant makes the whole area reek.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

I've lived in SB for several years. I visited Tuscaloosa this summer for the first time. From what I saw, it looked very similar to SB. The only relevance location has is (1) proximity to recruits, where obviously any Southern school has an advantage over SB; and (2) weather (maybe- it snows plenty in Columbus too, and they seem to recruit just fine).

 

[ND Fan Vancouver]

What coach better than Kelly could Notre Dame get to coach for them? Names please...


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Agreed. Look at his record. Seriously, watch any of his press conferences and tell me he's not a fantastic guy who knows what he's doing and has control and acts appropriately in many or all facets. 26 years as a head coach. Anyone who think Kelly should be fired is not someone I wanna deal with.

 

[NDFAN420]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

You read like the kind of person who writes "should of" and "would of".

 

[UPMich_NDfan]

BK says people saying the defense is the issue is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" References the young players that will continue to develop

Haha shots fired from Kelly to most of Irish Envy!

 

[Irish Insanity]

BK says people saying the defense is the issue is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" References the young players that will continue to develop

Haha shots fired from Kelly to most of Irish Envy!

There will always be an excuse............which is why we are usually mediocre.

 

[GoldenChild]

There will always be an excuse............which is why we are usually mediocre.

This. I like Kelly but it's time for us to make the leap to the next level and he's not the guy.

 

[bluengold4732]

BK says people saying the defense is the issue is "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" References the young players that will continue to develop

Haha shots fired from Kelly to most of Irish Envy!

Kelly with yet another stubborn comment. So is he okay with giving up 40+ points and 500 yards multiple times a year? You had 10 upper class men start on Defense last night...6 players last year who went on to the NFL...were they not developed yet? give me a break. He better play a lot of under class men in the next few weeks if he expects that statement to fly

 

[ulukinatme]

Yes let's get Urban Myer. Oh that's right we already tried that and he turned ND down because admissions wouldn't allow a few player exceptions. So the let's get stuck with another Charlie Weis please!

Please you people who think Notre Dame is still a premier college program are the ones who are delusional. You bring up Lou Holtz coming in and winning. That's is 30 years ago. Not 10 years ago but 30.

But yet I'm the delusional one?


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This. Herman isn't coming to ND, not when there will be bigger fish schools calling with better situations from an academics standpoint. Schools where he is in control of the discipline.

Saban and Urban aren't coming, and I doubt they would be good fits anyway.

How many other schools would dismiss their starting safety with the kind of depth we have? How many have suspended their starting QB? This is not a situation that top coaches want to walk into.

 

[ulukinatme]

Kelly with yet another stubborn comment. So is he okay with giving up 40+ points and 500 yards multiple times a year? You had 10 upper class men start on Defense last night...6 players last year who went on to the NFL...were they not developed yet? give me a break. He better play a lot of under class men in the next few weeks if he expects that statement to fly

He's likely protecting BVG for now, but one way or another BVG will probably be let go...Kelly will have to protect his job and will have to find a scapegoat.

 

[Kaneyoufeelit]

Find another team to follow. Anyone who thinks top coaches are lining up to run a program with the academic restrictions @ ND located in South Bend Indiana are brain dead.

Ever been to Palo Alto, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Madison, Athens, Boulder, Oxford, Eugene, Austin, Chapel Hill, Charlottesville, Knoxville, State College, Berkley, Baton Rouge, Clemson, Tuscaloosa, etc?

Nuff said.

'Nuff said' is one of the clearest indicators that whatever preceded it is both dumb and controversial

 

[Buster Bluth]

This. I like Kelly but it's time for us to make the leap to the next level and he's not the guy.

You do realize that Notre Dame wasn't the only top ten program to lose this weekend right?

#3 Oklahoma
#4 Florida State is down 21-6 right now
#5 LSU
#10 Notre Dame

And #2 Clemson and #9 Tennessee looked like hot garbage against Auburn and Appalachian State, respectively.

I swear you guys must only watch Alabama and Ohio State and think nobody else has issues with their roster and staff...

 

[GATTACA!]

You do realize that Notre Dame wasn't the only top ten program to lose this weekend right?

#3 Oklahoma
#4 Florida State is down 21-6 right now
#5 LSU
#10 Notre Dame

And #2 Clemson and #9 Tennessee looked like hot garbage against Auburn and Appalachian State, respectively.

I swear you guys must only watch Alabama and Ohio State and think nobody else has issues with their roster and staff...

Michigan as well

 

[NDgradstudent]

You do realize that Notre Dame wasn't the only top ten program to lose this weekend right?

#3 Oklahoma
#4 Florida State is down 21-6 right now
#5 LSU
#10 Notre Dame

And #2 Clemson and #9 Tennessee looked like hot garbage against Auburn and Appalachian State, respectively.

I swear you guys must only watch Alabama and Ohio State and think nobody else has issues with their roster and staff...

If Tom Herman would come here next year, would you want to make it happen? Or stick with BK?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Michigan as well

To be fair that Hawaii team was shot.

Last week they played in Australia. Then they had to go all the way to the Midwest from Hawaii.

Not smart scheduling by Hawaii. Should have put in a bye week after the Australia trip or at the very least a home game.


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[Bugzly21]

To be fair that Hawaii team was shot.

Last week they played in Australia. Then they had to go all the way to the Midwest from Hawaii.

Not smart scheduling by Hawaii. Should have put in a bye week after the Australia trip or at the very least a home game.


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and it was essentially a 2 or 3AM kickoff for Hawaii

 

[GATTACA!]

To be fair that Hawaii team was shot.

Last week they played in Australia. Then they had to go all the way to the Midwest from Hawaii.

Not smart scheduling by Hawaii. Should have put in a bye week after the Australia trip or at the very least a home game.


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It's all about the $$$ they don't care bout the losses or the beatings their team is taking.

Plus a sleep deprived Hawaii is still probably about the same quality as BG.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

To all who want to dump Kelly for a coach like Tom Herman or Phillip John Fleck, etc

If Tom Herman would come here next year, would you want to make it happen? Or stick with BK?

Knee jerk reaction is no. But, I don't know enough about him.

Where is he originally from?

Is he a Southern boy?

Would he fit in with Notre Dame culture?

Would he fit in the Midwest?

Is he Catholic? If not how does he feel about Catholics?

How far does his recruiting reach go? If only Texas I don't think he would work out, unless he hired a geographically diverse staff.

Is he an honorable human being?

Etc


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[Sherm Sticky]

It's all about the $$$ they don't care bout the losses or the beatings their team is taking.



Plus is a sleep deprived Hawaii is still probably about the same quality as BG.

Agree about the first statement, all about the $$$$$$

Lol about the second statement.


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[Te'o4Heisman]

To me, yes we are in yr 7 and maybe we are not where we would like to be year after year, but the reality is we have different challenges at ND than every single National Champion in the past what 15 years at minimum. That being said, BK came into a program that was faltering in every aspect and falling behind in the landscpape of college football. He had had us play for a national champion, and be within 1 minute of a berth in the first ever playoffs last year. He does not always do it the we want him to do it, but he has brought the program back to a point where even during a "rebuilding year" where we lost a ton of talent early to the draft, our floor is probably 9-3 or at the very worst 8-4 this year. I think a few years ago if anybody said we would be playing for national championship opportunities in week 12 every 3 years with a few 10-3 years and a 9-4 year in between we would have been OK with that. Not to mention we are back to the point where like i said we are losing guys early to the draft and several high picks. I agree with the criticism of bvg amd ultimately of kelly for sticking with him, but i will reserve judgement until after this season. If the defense does not take enormous steps forward in the next 11 weeks and BK still holds onto BVG then I would begin to reconsider my stance on BK. As of right now, i think he has done a hell of job getting this program back on track...bringing in sanford was a homerun and i honestly feel like we are a good DC who will recruit and possible an S&C coach away from the next level with BK still at the helm.

 

[NDFAN420]

Knee jerk reaction is no. But, I don't know enough about him.

Where is he originally from?

Is he a Southern boy?

Would he fit in with Notre Dame culture?

Would he fit in the Midwest?

Is he Catholic? If not how does he feel about Catholics?

How far does his recruiting reach go? If only Texas I don't think he would work out, unless he hired a geographically diverse staff.

Is he an home table human being?

Etc


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Herman_(American_football)
I don't know for sure what his religion is, but he went to Cal Lutheran and then coached at Texas Lutheran. I don't think that not being Catholic should disqualify anybody for the job, but yeah, he would need to understand and embrace the culture and therefore really want to be the coach here.

 

[philipm31]

The names don't matter at this point. Just saying that Kelly is the best we can do is a defeatist attitude and one that permeates this fanbase. I get it, we haven't won a major bowl since 1994. Doesn't mean that someone better can't be had with the resources ND has.

ND is investing a half a billion in its football program with the stadium renovation and the upgrades to the Gug (which has been reported as part of Kelly's extension). Kelly has this program's future upward, no reason that another coach can't come here to get it over the hump. I am not talking about Urban or Nick Saban either.

Kelly has peaked at ND I am afraid. We need a coach that is going to win New Year's Day bowl games and playoff games.

THIS.

 

[Goldedommer44]

Well, by some people logic on here Jimbo Fisher should be fired after this game. There D looks Terrible and they are getting embarrassed. If Kelly's hand picked QB camE out and looked like this some people on here would go ballistic.

 

[Rhode Irish]

It doesn't matter what names anyone will give you clearly believe that Kelly is all we can get and all we deserve. I think that mentality is unfortunate we are a Premier program and I don't think we should sell ourselves short out of fear.

It isn't that "Kelly is all we can get and all we deserve," it's that there legitimately aren't a lot of good candidates out there at the type of schools guys would leave to come to ND. It doesn't have anything to do with what kind of city South Bend is, either.

Of the 128 FBS programs out there, probably 110-120 have coaches that would leave for Notre Dame. It is an elite job. The issue is that all the coaches that would be an upgrade over Kelly are already at the dozen-give-or-take programs where they are likely there for the long haul and competing for national championships.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Knee jerk reaction is no. But, I don't know enough about him.

Where is he originally from?
He was born in Ohio and moved to Simi Valley, CA when he was 6.

Is he a Southern boy?
No.

Would he fit in with Notre Dame culture?
He is very smart.

Would he fit in the Midwest?
He was born in Ohio and has lots of family in Cincinnati, so yes.

Is he Catholic? If not how does he feel about Catholics?
It is interesting that both of the top coaches are Catholic, and yet they aren't here! I doubt that he is Catholic, he played at Cal Lutheran. I don't know how he feels about Catholics, but he didn't write American Freedom and Catholic Power, so how bad can he be?

How far does his recruiting reach go? If only Texas I don't think he would work out, unless he hired a geographically diverse staff.
What are you talking about? He has been a coordinator at OSU. When Urban Meyer was hired at Florida, did his "recruiting reach" extend beyond BGSU and Utah?

Is he an home table human being?
I assume? He is married with kids.