The Official Irishenvy Fire Tommy Rees Thread

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I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but I think the question needs to be asked. What if Buchner just isn't all that good? Is it possible he just beat up on mediocre competition in HS?
 
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NDMatt91 said:
I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but I think the question needs to be asked. What if Buchner just isn't all that good? Is it possible he just beat up on mediocre competition in HS?
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Maybe that's true. Again, Rees is responsible for the QB room.
 
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NDMatt91 said:
I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but I think the question needs to be asked. What if Buchner just isn't all that good? Is it possible he just beat up on mediocre competition in HS?
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Hate to break it to you, but Buchner had nothing to do with yesterday. He wasn’t even dressed as a matter of fact.

Tommy Rees just got handled by David fucking Shaw.
 
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Crazy Balki said:
2020 had a Joe Moore finalist OL, an elite RB in Kyren Williams and a 3rd year starter in Ian Book.

2021 had the offense playing like absolute garbage for half the season before finally getting it together and that was with a seasoned veteran in Jack Coan at QB, with Kyren Williams against at RB. He also had some solid receiving options sans Mayer in Davis and Austin.

This year, we have none of that, but a lot of it falls on him. We shouldn't have to be struggling to run the ball or find receivers against fucking Stanford. We should be getting more out of Styles. The fact that it took until the 3rd quarter to get Estime the ball is putrid. The fact that Pyne wasn't prepared to run the offense against one of the worst defenses in CFB is unacceptable.

He had safety nets the first two seasons that kept the offense solid. Those safety nets are gone, and it's on him to make something out of it, and he can't.
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Interesting point. There were some real clunkers in that two year stretch. From last year, Cincinnati, the Wisconsin game until the 4th quarter, Toledo until the 4th quarter and the entire second half against Okie State.

From 2020 the Louisville game, Clemson part 2 and Bama.

If Pyne were the starter last year I’d imagine ND’s record would look a lot like it does now at the same point in the season.
 
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NDMatt91 said:
I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but I think the question needs to be asked. What if Buchner just isn't all that good? Is it possible he just beat up on mediocre competition in HS?
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TB's HS stats had nothing to do with his eval. I think it was common consensus that his competition was pedestrian at best. That's why he was attempting to transfer his senior season -- to play better competition. His eval was based on his mental and physical traits. Unfortunately, due to injuries and covid he has been unable to get the game reps he needs to see whether or not he will be able to translate all that talent to the college level. The reality is, after two full years at Notre Dame, none of us will be any closer to figuring out whether or not TB has it or not and that's a damn shame. He'll be heading into year 3 with 2 starts under his belt over the prior 3 years. I suspect TB will forever be a "what if" at this rate.

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ThePiombino said:
TB's HS stats had nothing to do with his eval. I think it was common consensus that his competition was pedestrian at best. That's why he was attempting to transfer his senior season -- to play better competition. His eval was based on his mental and physical traits. Unfortunately, due to injuries and covid he has been unable to get the game reps he needs to see whether or not he will be able to translate all that talent to the college level. The reality is, after two full years at Notre Dame, none of us will be any closer to figuring out whether or not TB has it or not and that's a damn shame. He'll be heading into year 3 with 2 starts under his belt over the prior 3 years. I suspect TB will forever be a "what if" at this rate.

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And at the end of the day he will still walk away with an ND degree & network that will serve him for life. 4 for 40 in the flesh.

Now if only we could convince the “uncles” of the world…
 
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Yeah the notion that Rees was “forced” on Freeman seems pretty far-fetched to me. It may have been a marriage of convenience in the name of stability - and maybe that was a mistake - but he would not be the OC if Freeman wasn't on board with it.
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And MAYBE that was a mistake???
 
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Irishdrunk said:
Why worth the gamble????? We were a Top 5 Program w Kelly. Fickell was the obvious choice.

We all know why MF is the Coach.
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Enlighten us. Please. Be a big boy and pull your dress up and say it. Don't leave inference like a weak troll. Come out of hiding.

But....we all know why you aren't the coach......and hopefully a coach of anything.
 
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It would be cool if at least Freeman told him to drop the stupid “scan” offense. There is a reason literally no offense ever looked like this. It’s torture to watch and also doesn’t fucking work.
 
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Free Manera said:
It would be cool if at least Freeman told him to drop the stupid “scan” offense. There is a reason literally no offense ever looked like this. It’s torture to watch and also doesn’t fucking work.
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Yeah, this scan stuff being the core offense makes no sense at this point. It probably looks really good on paper. I would rather see us run the wishbone than this. o_O
 
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RECON Daddy said:
Yeah, this scan stuff being the core offense makes no sense at this point. It probably looks really good on paper. I would rather see us run the wishbone than this. o_O
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I would take literally anything else. Wing T. Fake punt every play. Annexation of Puerto Rico. Seriously anything. Just not this it’s giving me glaucoma.
 
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Free Manera said:
I would take literally anything else. Wing T. Fake punt every play. Annexation of Puerto Rico. Seriously anything. Just not this it’s giving me glaucoma.
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Ahhhh...the Delaware Wing-T.

I saw an old wing-t play against BYU, I believe. It was when the put Tyree at the wing and ran a sweep with him. I loved it and it look me back thirty years.
 
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RECON Daddy said:
Enlighten us. Please. Be a big boy and pull your dress up and say it. Don't leave inference like a weak troll. Come out of hiding.

But....we all know why you aren't the coach......and hopefully a coach of anything.
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He is the Coach because he was Kelly’s assistant. Players wanted him and clearly JS didn’t want to do a real search. Swarbrick was too reactive. Here we are.
 
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Irishdrunk said:
He is the Coach because he was Kelly’s assistant. Players wanted him and clearly JS didn’t want to do a real search. Swarbrick was too reactive. Here we are.
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That is the reason. I don't think that's in dispute, is it? And I'm not off the Freeman train yet, until we have a new OC.
 
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IrishTusker said:
That is the reason. I don't think that's in dispute, is it? And I'm not off the Freeman train yet, until we have a new OC.
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Well we will see where this goes. Right now he clearly looks out of place on the sidelines. I think have Rees put upon him by Swarbrick hasn’t helped and probably emasculated him to a degree.

Perhaps he will become more decisive and really hold his coaches and players accountable. I don’t see it happening though as nice guys rarely turn into tough operators.

I remember think Gerry Faust was a good guy and players loved him too.
 
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Now is the time to figure this shit out, which to me screams letting Tommy go.

We have some real speed coming in (assuming we don’t lose the recruits). We need an OC that can play to their strengths and scheme them open - stark contrast from being shut out in the 1H against Stanford.

I think back to a few years ago about how excited some of us were for Chris Tyree (he was dynamic in high school) - at this point it genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if a few years from now we’re having the same hindsight conversation about Dylan Edwards.

I just don’t trust Tommy to utilize our players correctly anymore. Why the hell does Tobias barely get play time after a long TD and another that could have been.
 
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Ray “The Mule” Finkle said:
Rees should be canned. He’s a horrible coach, but Freeman is literally the most inexperienced and confused coach I’ve ever seen on a ND sideline. He got the job due to his good looks and charm and that is it. If he were a fat, short, white guy like BK, he’d have had to win multiple titles in D2, rebuild 2 D1 programs and coach for 25 years before he’d even get an interview at ND.
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Charm and good looks? I think you’re missing one more item on that list.........he was a pretty good LB! Is his buyout more expensive than Fat Boy? What about Fatboy Jr as an OC?
 
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