The Official Irishenvy Fire Tommy Rees Thread

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

Rees should be canned. He’s a horrible coach, but Freeman is literally the most inexperienced and confused coach I’ve ever seen on a ND sideline. He got the job due to his good looks and charm and that is it. If he were a fat, short, white guy like BK, he’d have had to win multiple titles in D2, rebuild 2 D1 programs and coach for 25 years before he’d even get an interview at ND.

 

[stlnd01]

Trying to think about it from an unbiased, nose bleed seat view, it’s probably not a good decision to fire him now. As much shit as we give TR, the players also need to execute.

We’re not asking Pyne to beat Alabama, we’re asking him to beat Stanford. He missed some key throws. Evans (or the WR) not lining up correctly pre-snap. Estime to not fumble (despite a perfectly placed helmet). Styles to catch a poor throw on a 3rd (or 4th) down (throw was high but he has to come down with it).

Pyne made a number of mistakes and missed reads and inaccurate throws. That is, somewhat, on Rees of course, but yes the players need to execute. Also honestly Drew Pyne shouldn't be the starting quarterback on a team with Notre Dame's expectations, and the fact that he is is also somewhat on Rees. But here we are.

That ineligible receiver call that wiped out Mayer's TD was - I am almost certain - on the WR (I think was Tyree). Football 101 for outside WRs is to check with the ref on the sideline to establish if you are on the line or back from it. Tyree has played a lot of football. He should know that.

Estime's fumble was just a good hit by the defensive player. I have a hard time putting that one on him.

But as Pete Sampson pointed out on Twitter last night, our basic approach to offense leaves so little margin for error that we can't withstand even a couple of mistakes like that.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[CanadalovesND]

Rees should be canned. He’s a horrible coach, but Freeman is literally the most inexperienced and confused coach I’ve ever seen on a ND sideline. He got the job due to his good looks and charm and that is it. If he were a fat, short, white guy like BK, he’d have had to win multiple titles in D2, rebuild 2 D1 programs and coach for 25 years before he’d even get an interview at ND.

He got the job because he is a young, energetic, and a relentless recruiter, who his players connected with. The team and administration wanted to keep the continuity that he was building within the program. Obviously he is inexperienced but they believe he offered higher rewards. And they knew he would need to learn on the job.

He is the opposite of BK.

It has nothing to do with race. Or because he’s stylish.

 

[NDFAN2008]

The fact that Tobias got separation twice last night in plays targeted to him both shoulda been touchdowns and he didn’t see the field after the touchdown is a fireable in itself. He should be starting and on the field 80%
Of snaps

 

[Irish4life]

Scan offense more like scam offense am I right?

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

He got the job because he is a young, energetic, and a relentless recruiter, who his players connected with. The team and administration wanted to keep the continuity that he was building within the program. Obviously he is inexperienced but they believe he offered higher rewards. And they knew he would need to learn on the job.

He is the opposite of BK.

It has nothing to do with race. Or because he’s stylish.

He needs to be given another two years (right or wrong) to put his players and staff on the field together.
It's a boom or bust situation and worth the gamble.

 

[Irish4life]

 

[Irish2155]

“Those numbers won’t work against any team”.

The fuck does that even mean? It tells me he wasn’t good enough to win.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

He got the job because he is a young, energetic, and a relentless recruiter, who his players connected with. The team and administration wanted to keep the continuity that he was building within the program. Obviously he is inexperienced but they believe he offered higher rewards. And they knew he would need to learn on the job.

He is the opposite of BK.

It has nothing to do with race. Or because he’s stylish.

If we don’t make a bowl game this year, Jack is going to have to consider firing Freeman next year if it doesn’t get off to a tremendous start. You just can’t tear down an empire in such a short period of time and expect to keep your job. Freeman was handed the keys to a brand new Lamborghini not a used Prius, and he crashed into a bridge. Notre Dame has been a respected and relevant program for the past decade. One man destroyed it literally within the first few months with many of the same players.

 

[Grahambo]

I thought the OL did their job. I wouldn’t say they were dominate but they did enough.

Pyne holds the ball so long and he’s slow in his delivery.

 

[Irish4life]

I thought the OL did their job. I wouldn’t say they were dominate but they did enough.

Pyne holds the ball so long and he’s slow in his delivery.

The OL has been good enough to be 5-1. Offensive play calling, QB play, and offensive identity are why we're 3-3

 

[IrishTusker]

Bear in mind of course that Pyne is Rees' fault.

 

[NDMatt91]

Bear in mind of course the Pyne is Rees' fault.

I'll preface this by saying that I don't think he would've committed to ND if he was offered, but the fact that Rees didn't offer Bryce Young is a disgrace. He was in the 2020 class like Pyne was. Catholic school kid, 3.3 GPA, an elite talent, yet no ND offer.

 

[stlnd01]

“Those numbers won’t work against any team”.

The fuck does that even mean? It tells me he wasn’t good enough to win.

I think that's what he's saying.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[Irish2155]

Every good team has had their QBs. All of them. Not Tommy. We haven’t had one in a long time, actually. BK won despite of that.

I think that top notch guys just don’t to play for him. The HC means a lot but at some point, come the fuck on, Tommy. Maybe their not too old yet to remember his noodle arm. I don’t know. Maybe he should be pitching more how he and Carlo fled cops instead. Idk.

Too many ebbs and flows. Never consistency with Tommy’s O. We think it’s on track with 3 100 yard rushers, then he backs it up with this turd. I have no idea what to expect from week to week.

Josh Heuple (sp?) walked into the SEC and put 50+ on ‘Bama. Hmmmmm…..

 

[Irish2155]

I think that's what he's saying.

I think too. Who knows. Then just say it.

 

[Ndaccountant]

The problem as I see it is that Rees calls plays versus a true scheme. What I mean by that is he calling plays to a specific person way more than other teams I watch. The best offenses are based knowing what you do well and doing it in multiple ways with simple reads. Lane Kiffen isn't teaching football PHD. But what he does through design is allow his QB to make one or two simple reads each play to dictate where the ball goes. It's not designed to go to one guy. It's designed to attack two or three different ways keying on one or two players. I don't see that nearly enough from ND.

 

[ColinKSU]

And who is the QB development on you got it Tommy Rees. The offense can't get much worse. He needs to be packing up his office.

Rees defenders: “We need better players and the players we have need to execute better!”

*Throws smoke bomb to cover the escape when asked who recruited and coached the players who aren’t good enough and don’t know how to execute*

 

[CanadalovesND]

If we don’t make a bowl game this year, Jack is going to have to consider firing Freeman next year if it doesn’t get off to a tremendous start. You just can’t tear down an empire in such a short period of time and expect to keep your job. Freeman was handed the keys to a brand new Lamborghini not a used Prius, and he crashed into a bridge. Notre Dame has been a respected and relevant program for the past decade. One man destroyed it literally within the first few months with many of the same players.

Alabama is the Lamborghini. ND is that 57' Bel-Air that your father has been repairing in the garage for 15 years that was starting too look good. But papa made a little error, he did something incorrectly with the fuel injectors, and now the engine isn't firing as it was not too long ago. He's doing his research and analyzing what is causing the error and is committed to fixing the problem, because the restoration is not yet complete and he won't quit until it's that same, pristine beautiful car that rolled off the assembly line all those years ago.

I'm sure you can find the metaphors in there that apply to the current situation.

Manti Te'o had a beauitful quote in his speech to the Student Body before the Cal game: "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together."

Unanticipated problems are a nasty annoyance, I'll give you that. But no one pulls themselves out of any investment that quickly. Would you sell your stock in company that has an unexpected dip, or do you wait it out and see how it rebounds?

 

[stlnd01]

Alabama is the Lamborghini. ND is that 57' Bel-Air that your father has been repairing in the garage for 15 years that was starting too look good. But papa made a little error, he did something incorrectly with the fuel injectors, and now the engine isn't firing as it was not too long ago. He's doing his research and analyzing what is causing the error and is committed to fixing the problem, because the restoration is not yet complete and he won't quit until it's that same, pristine beautiful car that rolled off the assembly line all those years ago.

I'm sure you can find the metaphors in there that apply to the current situation.

Manti Te'o had a beauitful quote in his speech to the Student Body before the Cal game: "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together."

Unanticipated problems are a nasty annoyance, I'll give you that. But no one pulls themselves out of any investment that quickly. Would you sell your stock in company that has an unexpected dip, or do you wait it out and see how it rebounds?

I think you described the last five years of our QB pipeline quite well there.

Fundamentally, the problems with our offense started with losing Phil Jurkovic, taking Clark/Pyne back-to-back, and going ride-or-die with Buchner (before he was ready). What we saw last night (and what better defenses like Clemson and Syracuse surely saw too) was years in the making. It's not going to get fixed overnight. That said, a grad transfer would help. Like, yesterday.

 

[arahop]

I vote yes. My vote counts for shit

 

[Irish4life]

I think you described the last five years of our QB pipeline quite well there.

Fundamentally, the problems with our offense started with losing Phil Jurkovic, taking Clark/Pyne back-to-back, and going ride-or-die with Buchner (before he was ready). What we saw last night (and what better defenses like Clemson and Syracuse surely saw too) was years in the making. It's not going to get fixed overnight. That said, a grad transfer would help. Like, yesterday.

The problem is that Tyler Buchner is the only Tyler Buchner in the room. Should be 2 or 3 Buchner's in there. Replace Clark with Max Duggan and this QB room is instantly 10x better.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

Alabama is the Lamborghini. ND is that 57' Bel-Air that your father has been repairing in the garage for 15 years that was starting too look good. But papa made a little error, he did something incorrectly with the fuel injectors, and now the engine isn't firing as it was not too long ago. He's doing his research and analyzing what is causing the error and is committed to fixing the problem, because the restoration is not yet complete and he won't quit until it's that same, pristine beautiful car that rolled off the assembly line all those years ago.

I'm sure you can find the metaphors in there that apply to the current situation.

Manti Te'o had a beauitful quote in his speech to the Student Body before the Cal game: "If you want to go fast, go alone. If you want to go far, go together."

Unanticipated problems are a nasty annoyance, I'll give you that. But no one pulls themselves out of any investment that quickly. Would you sell your stock in company that has an unexpected dip, or do you wait it out and see how it rebounds?

I get what you’re saying, but Yes, if history proved that stock was doomed, I’d pull it out. I have nearly 0% evidence that Freeman has any chance at success based on what he’s shown and based on the enormous evidence to suggest that first time head coaches fail. this is particularly true when you look at coaches that took over elite and relevant programs and managed to tear them down to their lowest point in a decade or more in the matter of months.

 

[thekid33]

I like MF. I want him to succeed. But, his future depends on getting rid of TR and then making the right hire.

Hopefully he has the stones and the freedom from Swarbrick to do it.

If he sticks with Rees, either by choice or force, he isn't going to last any longer than Willingham.

 

[Irish4life]

I like MF. I want him to succeed. But, his future depends on getting rid of TR and then making the right hire.

Hopefully he has the stones and the freedom from Swarbrick to do it.

If he sticks with Rees, either by choice or force, he isn't going to last any longer than Willingham.

This was true even if Rees was what many (including me) thought him to be.

 

[FOTY977]

If Swarbrick had the balls to release both of them

One thing I can promise you is that Jack Swarbrick will never do anything that suggested that Jack Swarbrick was ever wrong.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

I like MF. I want him to succeed. But, his future depends on getting rid of TR and then making the right hire.

Hopefully he has the stones and the freedom from Swarbrick to do it.

If he sticks with Rees, either by choice or force, he isn't going to last any longer than Willingham.

I’d put Freemans odds at being successful about as high as his odds at beating Marshall.

 

[CanadalovesND]

I get what you’re saying, but Yes, if history proved that stock was doomed, I’d pull it out. I have nearly 0% evidence that Freeman has any chance at success based on what he’s shown and based on the enormous evidence to suggest that first time head coaches fail. this is particularly true when you look at coaches that took over elite and relevant programs and managed to tear them down to their lowest point in a decade or more in the matter of months.

Freeman has no history. You can’t decide he is doomed after seven games. For every coach that has failed, there is one that has succeeded.

Kirby Smart and Dabo Swinney both had porous starts to their coaching career. Coaches that had no previous experience. Some had said during their transitions they weren’t up to the job, too.

Freeman will need make changes. Give him that opportunity to find the solution.