The Official Irishenvy Fire Tommy Rees Thread

[ColinKSU]

Sorry guys

There’s coach speak and what you have to say, and then there’s lying.

 

[Irishnuke]

I’m officially onboard. We lost to the two worst teams we’ve played because the offense couldn’t execute. Maybe he can go take that NFL job his supporters were so sure he was going to eventually get.

 

[BeatSC]

There’s coach speak and what you have to say, and then there’s lying.

At least Kelly would throw deserving people under the bus. I miss those days. We used to get kissed because he didn’t win by enough points. F me!!!

 

[Luckylucci]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

 

[Bluto]

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

How’s that? Is he holding Tommy back or indulging his worst impulses? Maybe Freeman needs to tell him to “do his fuckin job”?

 

[goldendomer89]

How’s that? Is he holding Tommy back or indulging his worst impulses? Maybe Freeman needs to tell him to “do his fuckin job”?

I can't understand how people here are still trying to make excuses for such an awful ''coach''.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

2020 had a Joe Moore finalist OL, an elite RB in Kyren Williams and a 3rd year starter in Ian Book.

2021 had the offense playing like absolute garbage for half the season before finally getting it together and that was with a seasoned veteran in Jack Coan at QB, with Kyren Williams against at RB. He also had some solid receiving options sans Mayer in Davis and Austin.

This year, we have none of that, but a lot of it falls on him. We shouldn't have to be struggling to run the ball or find receivers against fucking Stanford. We should be getting more out of Styles. The fact that it took until the 3rd quarter to get Estime the ball is putrid. The fact that Pyne wasn't prepared to run the offense against one of the worst defenses in CFB is unacceptable.

He had safety nets the first two seasons that kept the offense solid. Those safety nets are gone, and it's on him to make something out of it, and he can't.

 

[irishff1014]

There’s coach speak and what you have to say, and then there’s lying.

We aren’t doing our jobs. 3-3 with a loss to Marshal and Stanford is unacceptable.

 

[NumbersGuy0520]

Hours later and I’m still disgusted. Stanford’s defense is terrible.

C’mon Tommy, what the hell.

 

[phillyirish]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

So he’s in year 3 now when he should have his system and players in place. You want to defer his current performance to his head coach, while crediting the formers headcoach’s success to him?

The offense should not be taking a step back due to the new hire, he was the biggest piece of continuity on the team. This current offense is the equivalent to BVG’s defense, it took him 3 years to reach that level of fuckery as well.

 

[IrishBoognish]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

Nah. Please point out the HC problems outside of having an incompetent OC on the rolls.

We've been holding every team we play to well under their average. It's stupid to blame anything else but not being able to whip up an offensive game plan that scores 17 today.

Special teams did good. D held the points down.

and...


gross

 

[CanadalovesND]

Just painful to see some lack of adjustments. Stanford was stacking the box for most of the game, were playing press man coverage on the outside and we couldn't couldn't get it done. Stanford played the run and dared Pyne to beat them throwing the football. We hit one deep route, a few others missed. Pyne didn't check out of some plays to counter a blitz.

Our rushing numbers may on paper look decent, the YPC, but it was below-par of the standard ND had established the last few games.

Stanford figured out our offense. Heavy in the box and try to blanket Mayer. Our wide receivers can't get open, and Pyne is too inconsistent in making difficult throws or coming off some of his reads. Play design in many situations was not good but Pyne did not help himself either. And that fourth down throw at the end of the game...... it's seven yards for a first down, and Pyne throws it five yards?!?! Even if Thomas made the catch, it's still game over.

I don't expect any changes to the staff. Rees is safe for now. The main question is who you would replace Rees with mid-season? Parker has the experience, yes, but the 2020 WVU offense was pretty average. There is a reason we was demoted following the season.

This performance will stick in Freeman's mind regarding Rees. While I believe Rees could be a great OC one day - his experience really just stands out so much at times. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, and I'll accept some growing pains, but this was just a really bad loss. Stanford puts up 16 points and we can't outscore them?


It may be time to create a OC wish list for the off-season. Anyone want to start it off?

 

[Sea Turtle]

So he’s in year 3 now when he should have his system and players in place. You want to defer his current performance to his head coach, while crediting the formers headcoach’s success to him?

The offense should not be taking a step back due to the new hire, he was the biggest piece of continuity on the team. This current offense is the equivalent to BVG’s defense, it took him 3 years to reach that level of fuckery as well.

Come on. It takes a long time. Just look at Tennessee struggling to score points.

 

[StPaul_Irish]

It may be time to create a OC wish list for the off-season. Anyone want to start it off?

ARE YOU SERIOUS?????

 

[NDRock]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

Agree. Freeman’s problem is he gave control of the offense the Rees. Remember when people were saying that Kelly held Rees back? Seems like keeping him on the leash was a smart move.

 

[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

Nah. Please point out the HC problems outside of having an incompetent OC on the rolls.

We've been holding every team we play to well under their average. It's stupid to blame anything else but not being able to whip up an offensive game plan that scores 17 today.

Special teams did good. D held the points down.

and...


gross

Lucky is right.

Fire Freeman. Kelly was 11-1 with Rees last season. We know how this ends. The longer ND holds onto Marcus Frost, the harder it will be for someone else to fix the mess. The guy has no clue. Rip off the band aid. Unfortunately Jack is an inept AD and won’t act until it’s too late. Then he’ll retire and let some other AD spend a decade trying to rebuild.

 

[Grahambo]

Tommy was 22-3 as OC under BK. He is now 3-4 under Freeman. Let that sink in. The HC matters, we just have the wrong one for right now.

You can’t fire Freeman so Rees has to go but Freeman is a huge part of the problem and it’s painfully obvious.

The HC does matter, I agree. Where I respectfully disagree is the implication that MF is the reason the offense is putrid and TR has no play-calling skills.

TR was BK’s big pet project who was not ready to have the keys of the offense turned over to him. It’s my belief if BK were here, he’d tell TR to change the plan on the fly.

The problem with MF is he’s a defensive guru who’s inexperienced and probably doesn’t feel qualified enough to tell TR to change the offense on the fly or to insert Angeli.

That’s where Jack screwed up. Once he decided on MF, he should’ve let MF decide who his OC was going to be. By forcing TR on him, someone who he doesn’t have a long, strong relationship with, it makes for plenty of awkward moments. How often is MF shown talking on the headset when the offense is out there? Doesn’t seem like much. He needs someone he can freely communicate with but MF needs to understand he’s the CEO and the CEO needs to make the hard choices.

 

[thekid33]

He recruited and "developed" mediocre QB's and his play calling can range the spectrum from occasionally brilliant to atrocious (last night being atrocious).

I don't care that he played here. It's time to retire the false, "Tommy Rees is an offensive genius" narrative.

Fire him into the blazing sun and never look back. Immediately.

And, if it not immediately, than for sure after this dumpster fire of a season ends.

 

[thekid33]

Also...

I know a lot of people on here post about MF being stuck with Rees...

But, are we sure about that?

I know that it's less disturbing for those of us that want to give MF the benefit of the doubt to think of it that way...

But, I am not sure the facts support it.

Yes, the Rees announcement was first.

But, it seems pretty clear that Jack had decided on MF by that point and the only hold up was Jenkins being in Rome. He needed Jenkins to sign off on promoting MF, but he didn't need permission to keep a guy in his present position. So, the Rees announcement came first. But, it seems very plausible that it was made with the support and maybe even encouragement of MF instead of it being a requirement that MF had to agree to in order to get the job.

 

[ThePiombino]

He literally has his own thread. We really need this one?

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[Ray “The Mule” Finkle]

The HC does matter, I agree. Where I respectfully disagree is the implication that MF is the reason the offense is putrid and TR has no play-calling skills.

TR was BK’s big pet project who was not ready to have the keys of the offense turned over to him. It’s my belief if BK were here, he’d tell TR to change the plan on the fly.

The problem with MF is he’s a defensive guru who’s inexperienced and probably doesn’t feel qualified enough to tell TR to change the offense on the fly or to insert Angeli.

That’s where Jack screwed up. Once he decided on MF, he should’ve let MF decide who his OC was going to be. By forcing TR on him, someone who he doesn’t have a long, strong relationship with, it makes for plenty of awkward moments. How often is MF shown talking on the headset when the offense is out there? Doesn’t seem like much. He needs someone he can freely communicate with but MF needs to understand he’s the CEO and the CEO needs to make the hard choices.

Please check Tom’s record under Brian Kelly. It’s more like Rees is stuck with Freeman. He should’ve followed BK to LSU so freeman could be even worse with someone else. Freeman was one of the worst hires of all time.

 

[Grahambo]

Please check Tom’s record under Brian Kelly. It’s more like Rees is stuck with Freeman. He should’ve followed BK to LSU so freeman could be even worse with someone else. Freeman was one of the worst hires of all time.

Bruv, I offer you a virtual handshake and brotherly pat on the back. I respectfully disagree.

 

[stlnd01]

Also...

I know a lot of people on here post about MF being stuck with Rees...

But, are we sure about that?

I know that it's less disturbing for those of us that want to give MF the benefit of the doubt to think of it that way...

But, I am not sure the facts support it.

Yes, the Rees announcement was first.

But, it seems pretty clear that Jack had decided on MF by that point and the only hold up was Jenkins being in Rome. He needed Jenkins to sign off on promoting MF, but he didn't need permission to keep a guy in his present position. So, the Rees announcement came first. But, it seems very plausible that it was made with the support and maybe even encouragement of MF instead of it being a requirement that MF had to agree to in order to get the job.

Yeah the notion that Rees was “forced” on Freeman seems pretty far-fetched to me. It may have been a marriage of convenience in the name of stability - and maybe that was a mistake - but he would not be the OC if Freeman wasn't on board with it.

 

[Grahambo]

Yeah the notion that Rees was “forced” on Freeman seems pretty far-fetched to me. It may have been a marriage of convenience in the name of stability - and maybe that was a mistake - but he would not be the OC if Freeman wasn't on board with it.

At the time, assuming MF was on board with TR remaining OC, it was a logical decision. That’s not a problem to me. The potential problem is avoiding the tough decision to move on from TR knowing he is not the solution.

Before the game, if we were told Stanford would only score 16, we all would’ve thought we had the game won by halftime. TR’s offense couldn’t get 17 points against a horrible Stanford defense.

If MF is going to be stubborn about this then he won’t last long here.

 

[Free Manera]

Also...

I know a lot of people on here post about MF being stuck with Rees...

But, are we sure about that?

I know that it's less disturbing for those of us that want to give MF the benefit of the doubt to think of it that way...

But, I am not sure the facts support it.

Yes, the Rees announcement was first.

But, it seems pretty clear that Jack had decided on MF by that point and the only hold up was Jenkins being in Rome. He needed Jenkins to sign off on promoting MF, but he didn't need permission to keep a guy in his present position. So, the Rees announcement came first. But, it seems very plausible that it was made with the support and maybe even encouragement of MF instead of it being a requirement that MF had to agree to in order to get the job.

I think we are sure of this though. The way it was reported was that if Rees wasn’t staying, then they were going to wait for Fickell. They wanted to keep the band together or blow it up. So Rees forced on Freeman.

It is up for debate whether Freeman would have chosen Rees anyway. Maybe he would have. I think he probably would have chased Hartline but he’s another unproven commodity anyway.

 

[stlnd01]

At the time, assuming MF was on board with TR remaining OC, it was a logical decision. That’s not a problem to me. The potential problem is avoiding the tough decision to move on from TR knowing he is not the solution.

Before the game, if we were told Stanford would only score 16, we all would’ve thought we had the game won by halftime. TR’s offense couldn’t get 17 points against a horrible Stanford defense.

If MF is going to be stubborn about this then he won’t last long here.

Oh I would be very surprised if Rees is our OC next season. Firing him today may or may not make much of a difference, I'm not really sure.

 

[Jimmy3Putt]

All they had to do was run a double move with a receiver and throw a bubble screen or two.
That's it!
Stanford was pressing the line and blitzing with those corners half the time. They sold out 100% against the run and Tom either didn't see it or refused to do anything about it. Hell, the slot receiver kept posting at the db that was getting ready to blitz, but they still kept running into it.
MADNESS or IMEPTITUDE

 

[Grahambo]

Oh I would be very surprised if Rees is our OC next season. Firing him today may or may not make much of a difference, I'm not really sure.

Trying to think about it from an unbiased, nose bleed seat view, it’s probably not a good decision to fire him now. As much shit as we give TR, the players also need to execute.

We’re not asking Pyne to beat Alabama, we’re asking him to beat Stanford. He missed some key throws. Evans (or the WR) not lining up correctly pre-snap. Estime to not fumble (despite a perfectly placed helmet). Styles to catch a poor throw on a 3rd (or 4th) down (throw was high but he has to come down with it).

 

[TNUtoNotreDame]

He recruited and "developed" mediocre QB's and his play calling can range the spectrum from occasionally brilliant to atrocious (last night being atrocious).

I don't care that he played here. It's time to retire the false, "Tommy Rees is an offensive genius" narrative.

Fire him into the blazing sun and never look back. Immediately.

And, if it not immediately, than for sure after this dumpster fire of a season ends.

But the Rams wanted him.

 

[irishff1014]

Trying to think about it from an unbiased, nose bleed seat view, it’s probably not a good decision to fire him now. As much shit as we give TR, the players also need to execute.

We’re not asking Pyne to beat Alabama, we’re asking him to beat Stanford. He missed some key throws. Evans (or the WR) not lining up correctly pre-snap. Estime to not fumble (despite a perfectly placed helmet). Styles to catch a poor throw on a 3rd (or 4th) down (throw was high but he has to come down with it).

And who is the QB development on you got it Tommy Rees. The offense can't get much worse. He needs to be packing up his office.