The Jameis Winston Investigation Thread

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

F$U is the definition of lack of institutional control.

 

[JTLA]

Then you would be wrong.

Campus sex assaults stir controversy at Occidental College - UPI.com



No Justice for College Rape Victims | The Nation

Also the whole PSU issue is another great example of schools covering up these types of issues though in a completely different way.

You actually make my point for me. College administrators close to many of these cases find plenty of reasons not to prosecute these cases. At Occidental and at most schools, none of those reasons have anything to do with football. What they have to do with... as WITH SEEBERG. Is an awareness (by highly educated adults dedicated to a life of academia who deal with REAL victims or REAL sexual assault) that there is a pervasive problem with the way we are educating young people of both genders which results in allegations and accusations that have no business being discussed in a public forum.

You can legislate about this all you want, but the reality is that many cases are unfounded and not criminal. When you are dealing with high profile athletes, the likelihood for false accusations goes up.

Rape is a crime that comes with a 10-15 year sentence. If one in four college women are being raped, either the Jameises of the world have been very busy, or we need much bigger prisons to deal with the 10,000 college men we should be locking up each year. It's insane to pay this agenda any attention at all without considering that false accusations and interpretations are a major part of the problem. No one wants to talk about that.

Here in California we have passed a new law saying that you must receive affirmative consent before initiating sexual activity. That is the very essence of insanity and is clearly an attempt to allow schools to cover their asses.

I hate FSU. but the bottom line is that nothing I've heard since I read the report leads me to believe Jameis raped anyone.

 

[BigIrish]

Take the rape out of the conversation and Winston has still gotten away with enough to get booted from ND two times over. FSU's willingness to look the other way is far greater than one rape accusation.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>fsu qb jameis winston to play against nd despite disciplinary hearing. irish r highest ranked team left on noles' sch.</p>— Dick Weiss (@HoopsWeiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoopsWeiss/status/521641684300734464">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[ryno 24]

You actually make my point for me. College administrators close to many of these cases find plenty of reasons not to prosecute these cases. At Occidental and at most schools, none of those reasons have anything to do with football. What they have to do with... as WITH SEEBERG. Is an awareness (by highly educated adults dedicated to a life of academia who deal with REAL victims or REAL sexual assault) that there is a pervasive problem with the way we are educating young people of both genders which results in allegations and accusations that have no business being discussed in a public forum.

You can legislate about this all you want, but the reality is that many cases are unfounded and not criminal. When you are dealing with high profile athletes, the likelihood for false accusations goes up.

Rape is a crime that comes with a 10-15 year sentence. If one in four college women are being raped, either the Jameises of the world have been very busy, or we need much bigger prisons to deal with the 10,000 college men we should be locking up each year. It's insane to pay this agenda any attention at all without considering that false accusations and interpretations are a major part of the problem. No one wants to talk about that.

Here in California we have passed a new law saying that you must receive affirmative consent before initiating sexual activity. That is the very essence of insanity and is clearly an attempt to allow schools to cover their asses.

I hate FSU. but the bottom line is that nothing I've heard since I read the report leads me to believe Jameis raped anyone.

As someone who has been part of title IX work on a college campus and who is currently taking a domestic violence and sexual assault class I can tell you that statistics have shown that only 8 percent of rape allegations are made up. In fact many rapes or sexual assaults are not reported because many victims feel that it was their fault. Also, victims can be blamed and shamed and do not want to go through the whole ordeal in court. Also, positive consent is not difficult to obtain. Also, interesting because of the title IX regulations the standard in university hearings is a preponderance of evidence not beyond a reasonable doubt and the victim is able to tell their entire story, not just what is asked of them.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

You actually make my point for me. College administrators close to many of these cases find plenty of reasons not to prosecute these cases. At Occidental and at most schools, none of those reasons have anything to do with football. What they have to do with... as WITH SEEBERG. Is an awareness (by highly educated adults dedicated to a life of academia who deal with REAL victims or REAL sexual assault) that there is a pervasive problem with the way we are educating young people of both genders which results in allegations and accusations that have no business being discussed in a public forum.

You can legislate about this all you want, but the reality is that many cases are unfounded and not criminal. When you are dealing with high profile athletes, the likelihood for false accusations goes up.

Rape is a crime that comes with a 10-15 year sentence. If one in four college women are being raped, either the Jameises of the world have been very busy, or we need much bigger prisons to deal with the 10,000 college men we should be locking up each year. It's insane to pay this agenda any attention at all without considering that false accusations and interpretations are a major part of the problem. No one wants to talk about that.

Here in California we have passed a new law saying that you must receive affirmative consent before initiating sexual activity. That is the very essence of insanity and is clearly an attempt to allow schools to cover their asses.

I hate FSU. but the bottom line is that nothing I've heard since I read the report leads me to believe Jameis raped anyone.

I figured out the problem you are having, as you have expressed yourself in this thread.

You really don't have a point.

Only because you don't have any idea what sexual assault is or isn't. You don't understand the victims. You don't empathize with anyone. You don't see the payoff for an institution to turn a blind eye towards a problem. You just have absofuckinglutely no discrimination, whatsoever.

Rape does not require a weapon. Rape does not require other physical violence, although it often presents itself. If I were you I would post less defending the status quo, and spend more time learning and making yourself more sensitive to the reality of the situation.

And follow Mark Twain's advice . . . .

 

[Huntr]

Actually, I think you have the pulse of most of the fans, students, and people involved with the university, however I think you are wrong when it comes to the highest levels of the University (now, not when this all started happening but the last month or so). They have become worried about the Title 9 investigation and about a potential lawsuit from the young women who was (or clams to have been) sexually assaulted and are starting to think of how they can cover their ass. There is a reason that they have now scheduled a hearing, there is a reason that they won't have anyone from the University hearing it, and there is a reason his suspension against Clemson was turned into a full game instead of a half (hint it was the President getting involved). I agree that 99.999% of FSU people protect him and think everyone is trying to screw him but the other .001% are the people that have power (the interim President, the incoming President and possibly the AD if you believe the report that he was involved in lengthening the suspension to a full game).

Yeah, I do see your point and I think you're right about the admins treating this as a situation with potentially very serious consequences. I think my view come from not believing the Title 9 investigation will amount to anything. Even if the results are bad for fsu, the worst that will happen is they'll make policy changes and agree to some federal monitoring. Maybe a nice fat fine I get to help pay for, too. yippee...

 

[Irish#1]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>fsu qb jameis winston to play against nd despite disciplinary hearing. irish r highest ranked team left on noles' sch.</p>— Dick Weiss (@HoopsWeiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoopsWeiss/status/521641684300734464">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Was there ever any doubt? lol

 

[BigIrish]

FSU also reinstated a 5 star linebacker who had been suspended indefinitely for the first 6 games of the season for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

A six game suspension and he comes back the week of their biggest game of the year? Yeah, gives you a lot of faith that FSU is taking off-field issues seriously.

 

[Huntr]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Florida State's compliance department is looking into whether Jameis Winston signed more than 340 items for an... <a href="http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV">http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/521768532301058048">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[IrishLax]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Florida State's compliance department is looking into whether Jameis Winston signed more than 340 items for an... <a href="http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV">http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/521768532301058048">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Come on compliance...

Actually, I'd almost rather he play. Because I don't want an asterisk on the game.

 

[gkIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Florida State's compliance department is looking into whether Jameis Winston signed more than 340 items for an... <a href="http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV">http://t.co/aoigWmZaxV</a></p>— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/521768532301058048">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Please god

 

[ACamp1900]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>fsu qb jameis winston to play against nd despite disciplinary hearing. irish r highest ranked team left on noles' sch.</p>— Dick Weiss (@HoopsWeiss) <a href="https://twitter.com/HoopsWeiss/status/521641684300734464">October 13, 2014</a></blockquote>
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When dude's like Dick Weiss are using text speak effectively in tweets, you know society is falling apart.

 

[mooneytostle]

Come on compliance...

Actually, I'd almost rather he play. Because I don't want an asterisk on the game.

Exactly - lets just hope its an enormous distraction the whole week.

 

[ab2cmiller]

I would be shocked if FSU does anything even though Georgia suspended Gurley

 

[mooneytostle]

I would be shocked if FSU does anything even though Georgia suspended Gurley

I wonder if their backup QB (the one who started against Clemson) breaking his hand is weighing on their decision of whether or not to suspend Winston. I would hope not but that administration/athletic dept. has proven it is capable of anything.

 

[Grahambo]

Screw the asterisk. I hope they do sit him out. I don't care how people view it. There are enough tough games on the schedule. Make it as easy as possible to win.

 

[GATTACA!]

Screw the asterisk. I hope they do sit him out. I don't care how people view it. There are enough tough games on the schedule. Make it as easy as possible to win.

This X10000 a win is a win is a win. Idc what ESPN says make the playoffs and bring the salt.

 

[NDGOLDEN]

I just read on Twitter that apprentaly the line for the game has been temporarily suspended with the new information out.

 

[GATTACA!]

I just read on Twitter that apprentaly the line for the game has been temporarily suspended with the new information out.

That was just on ESPN too

 

[edgesofsanity]

Screw the asterisk. I hope they do sit him out. I don't care how people view it. There are enough tough games on the schedule. Make it as easy as possible to win.

Amen to that. Alabama claims 14 championships, but ESPN and the like don't bring up an asterisk on their 1941 championship in a season they were AP #20 and finished third in the SEC...

 

[irishff1014]

I am glad all the negative attention win be on them.

 

[ACamp1900]

With ND's luck, Winston plays, DESTROYS our Irish, then is found ineligible a few days later...

 

[NCND]

With ND's luck, Winston plays, DESTROYS our Irish, then is found ineligible a few days later...

Haha that's exactly what's gonna happen.

 

[yankeeND]

When dude's like Dick Weiss are using text speak effectively in tweets, you know society is falling apart.

I feel scrongly about this as well.

 

[Irish YJ]

just saw that ESPN is finally reporting something on the autograph stuff. 350 spencer authenticated pieces.... and Jimbo says not for money LOL. at least FSU is finally investigating... They will suspend him Sunday...

 

[Booslum31]

just saw that ESPN is finally reporting something on the autograph stuff. 350 spencer authenticated pieces.... and Jimbo says not for money LOL. at least FSU is finally investigating... They will suspend him Sunday...

Winston seems like the type of guy who would sign these 350 items for free...he just loves to give back and has never come across as a guy who would take advantage of his football success. We need to beat him like a tied up goat!

 

[yankeeND]

just saw that ESPN is finally reporting something on the autograph stuff. 350 spencer authenticated pieces.... and Jimbo says not for money LOL. at least FSU is finally investigating... They will suspend him Sunday...

The fact that FSU is investigating is a joke. We all know how that goes.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

Love this quote from Jimbo. What an as* clown.

"Kids sign things all the time," Fisher said after Saturday's game. "So what do you want them to do, stop signing stuff? We could make them not have any fans from that standpoint and not sign for anybody. That's what it's going to come to, and that's a shame for college football, that somebody exploits a kid. Now if they're getting paid for it, then I don't have any knowledge of that. I don't believe Jameis did."

 

[yankeeND]

Love this quote from Jimbo. What an as* clown.

"Kids sign things all the time," Fisher said after Saturday's game. "So what do you want them to do, stop signing stuff? We could make them not have any fans from that standpoint and not sign for anybody. That's what it's going to come to, and that's a shame for college football, that somebody exploits a kid. Now if they're getting paid for it, then I don't have any knowledge of that. I don't believe Jameis did."

He really is a piece of work.