The Boz

[irishog77]

Anybody watch the 30 for 30?

I loved it. In watching it, I realized one of my first clear memories of college of football was the OU-Miami game in 86 when OU lost, but the Boz played lights-out.

The film showed the play when his helmet came off making a tackle and him walking back to the OU side. Being a little kid and thinking of him as a villain, I thought he had taken his helmet off to showcase his hair. I guess I had never really thought about that game and didn't realize the memory I had of it until watching the film tonight. If nothing else, I'm glad I got to see that part and realize that he wasn't attempting to showcase himself, but rather, giving his all and leaving everything he had out on the field that day. What a game he played that day!

I doubt he would have ever materialized into a great NFL player, but I do wish injuries didn't take their toll on him and allowed him to play longer.

But dude was hands down the best college LB I've ever seen play. Guys like Derrick Johnson, Patrick Willis, Katzenmoyer, Kuechly, Zach Thomas, some of the psu guys, some of the sc LB's, and some of the other osu LB's, and even Teo (and now Jaylon Smith) were great and fun to watch, but to me, nobody holds a candle to the way he could dominate a game.

 

[BobD]

Never cared for him for some reason.

 

[tussin]

Anybody watch the 30 for 30?

I loved it. In watching it, I realized one of my first clear memories of college of football was the OU-Miami game in 86 when OU lost, but the Boz played lights-out.

The film showed the play when his helmet came off making a tackle and him walking back to the OU side. Being a little kid and thinking of him as a villain, I thought he had taken his helmet off to showcase his hair. I guess I had never really thought about that game and didn't realize the memory I had of it until watching the film tonight. If nothing else, I'm glad I got to see that part and realize that he wasn't attempting to showcase himself, but rather, giving his all and leaving everything he had out on the field that day. What a game he played that day!

I doubt he would have ever materialized into a great NFL player, but I do wish injuries didn't take their toll on him and allowed him to play longer.

But dude was hands down the best college LB I've ever seen play. Guys like Derrick Johnson, Patrick Willis, Katzenmoyer, Kuechly, Zach Thomas, some of the psu guys, some of the sc LB's, and some of the other osu LB's, and even Teo (and now Jaylon Smith) were great and fun to watch, but to me, nobody holds a candle to the way he could dominate a game.

Why do you say that?

 

[irishfan]

The 30 for 30s really are amazing. I love to crap on ESPN, but these films are always just fantastic.

Can't wait for the Randy Moss one soon.

 

[irishog77]

Why do you say that?

In the couple years he did play, he was only good, but not great. Maybe it was the injuries that would have held him back. Maybe it was his size when he played in the league. Maybe he would have totally flamed out due to some of the circus he had surrounding him. Maybe his focus would never have been solely on football. Maybe some combination of all those.

I know, a lot of maybes. I think he could have been great, but am doubtful all the cards would have aligned for him to have been. It's just my opinion though. I could be wrong. In hindsight, I would have loved for him to be great in the league.

 

[connect the dots]

The 30 for 30s really are amazing. I love to crap on ESPN, but these films are always just fantastic.

Can't wait for the Randy Moss one soon.

Another ESPN documentary worth a watch is The Best That Never Was. Barry Switzer abandoned Oklahoma's wishbone so that freshman Marcus Dupree could work his magic in the I formation. Sobering portrayal of big time college football. From his recruitment out of high school to a professional contract, Marcus Dupree was taken on a roller coaster ride.

 

[dublinirish]

Another ESPN documentary worth a watch is The Best That Never Was. Barry Switzer abandoned Oklahoma's wishbone so that freshman Marcus Dupree could work his magic in the I formation. Sobering portrayal of big time college football. From his recruitment out of high school to a professional contract, Marcus Dupree was taken on a roller coaster ride.

not a football one but Once Brothers is amazing and probably my fav

 

[GoldenDomer]

What a player he was. Sad to see fame do such a thing to a guy who is good person behind the mask.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Anybody watch the 30 for 30?

I loved it. In watching it, I realized one of my first clear memories of college of football was the OU-Miami game in 86 when OU lost, but the Boz played lights-out.

The film showed the play when his helmet came off making a tackle and him walking back to the OU side. Being a little kid and thinking of him as a villain, I thought he had taken his helmet off to showcase his hair. I guess I had never really thought about that game and didn't realize the memory I had of it until watching the film tonight. If nothing else, I'm glad I got to see that part and realize that he wasn't attempting to showcase himself, but rather, giving his all and leaving everything he had out on the field that day. What a game he played that day!

I doubt he would have ever materialized into a great NFL player, but I do wish injuries didn't take their toll on him and allowed him to play longer.

But dude was hands down the best college LB I've ever seen play. Guys like Derrick Johnson, Patrick Willis, Katzenmoyer, Kuechly, Zach Thomas, some of the psu guys, some of the sc LB's, and some of the other osu LB's, and even Teo (and now Jaylon Smith) were great and fun to watch, but to me, nobody holds a candle to the way he could dominate a game.

I haven't watch it yet, I have it Dvr'd. Brian Bosworth was incredible, and growing up that's how I wanted to play football, only later to realize that it didn't fit my personalty or my skill set.

Besides The Boz, and Archie, has anyone else won two major college football awards?

I agree with you Hog, hands down the best ever to play Linebacker at the college level.

 

[BeauBenken]

I haven't watch it yet, I have it Dvr'd. Brian Bosworth was incredible, and growing up that's how I wanted to play football, only later to realize that it didn't fit my personalty or my skill set.

Besides The Boz, and Archie, has anyone else won two major college football awards?

I agree with you Hog, hands down the best ever to play Linebacker at the college level.

Uh, what?

 

[Bluto]

Another ESPN documentary worth a watch is The Best That Never Was. Barry Switzer abandoned Oklahoma's wishbone so that freshman Marcus Dupree could work his magic in the I formation. Sobering portrayal of big time college football. From his recruitment out of high school to a professional contract, Marcus Dupree was taken on a roller coaster ride.

That one was real powerful and my favorite so far.

 

[tussin]

In the couple years he did play, he was only good, but not great. Maybe it was the injuries that would have held him back. Maybe it was his size when he played in the league. Maybe he would have totally flamed out due to some of the circus he had surrounding him. Maybe his focus would never have been solely on football. Maybe some combination of all those.

I know, a lot of maybes. I think he could have been great, but am doubtful all the cards would have aligned for him to have been. It's just my opinion though. I could be wrong. In hindsight, I would have loved for him to be great in the league.

I agree, when I first read what you said I thought you meant that he never had the physical talent to succeed in the NFL. Seems like the only thing holding him back were off the field stuff and the obvious injuries.

I have this one on my DVR and haven't seen it yet, pretty pumped to watch it tonight.

30 For 30s are amazing and easily the best content on any sports related channel.

 

[ACamp1900]

I worked with a guy who played LB with him at OU... guy went on to play for the Seahawks and Eagles for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's... anyway, this guy said the LB core at OU pretty much hated him, thought he was overrated and he told me straight up there were at least three/four guys on OU's LB core from that era that were just as good if not better, the Boz was just the squeaky wheel.

 

[irishog77]

I worked with a guy who played LB with him at OU... guy went on to play for the Seahawks and Eagles for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's... anyway, this guy said the LB core at OU pretty much hated him, thought he was overrated and he told me straight up there were at least three/four guys on OU's LB core from that era that were just as good if not better, the Boz was just the squeaky wheel.

And outperformed every one of those guys by seemingly every measurable statistic. I think your co-worker was full of sh!t and/or was jealous of the Boz's hair.

 

[ACamp1900]

And outperformed every one of those guys by seemingly every measurable statistic. I think your co-worker was full of sh!t and/or was jealous of the Boz's hair.

I thought about that when we had this conversation... (about four/five years ago) but this guy never came off as the petty type, very well liked and high integrity... but who knows.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Uh, what?

Sorry, I'll clarify.

Boz = 2 time Butkus award winner.

Archie Griffin = 2 time Heisman winner

has anyone else, besides a kicker, or punter won a major award such as those, 2 times?

 

[BeauBenken]

Sorry, I'll clarify.

Boz = 2 time Butkus award winner.

Archie Griffin = 2 time Heisman winner

has anyone else, besides a kicker, or punter won a major award such as those, 2 times?

I mean it really counts on what awards you're considering major, I guess. But...

Two time winners organized by award:

Walter Camp Award
OJ Simpson
Colt McCoy
Archie Griffin

Doak Walker
Darren McFadden
Ricky Williams

Davey O'Brien
Jason White
Danny Wuerfuel
Ty Detmer

Vince Lombardi/Rotary
Orlando Pace

Bronko Nagurski
Dan Morgan
Pat Fitzgerald

Maxwell
Tim Tebow
Johnny Lattner

Hendricks
David Pollack

Outland
David Rimington

Bednarik
Paul Posluszny
Pat Fitzgerald

You may have noticed Pat Fitzgerald's name on here twice...

Fitzgerald won both the Bronko Nagurski Trophy and the Chuck Bednarik Award in 1995 and again in 1996, becoming the first two-time winner of both honors.

Per Wikipedia

 

[BGIF]

I mean it really counts on what awards you're considering major.

Two time winners organized by award:

Walter Camp Award
OJ Simpson
Colt McCoy
Archie Griffin

Doak Walker
Darren McFadden
Ricky Williams

Davey O'Brien
Jason White
Danny Wuerfuel
Ty Detmer

Vince Lombardi/Rotary
Orlando Pace

Bronko Nagurski
Dan Morgan
Pat Fitzgerald

Maxwell
Tim Tebow
Johnny Lattner

Hendricks
David Pollack

Outland
David Rimington

Bednarik
Paul Posluszny
Pat Fitzgerald

Q.E.D.

 

[woolybug25]

I worked with a guy who played LB with him at OU... guy went on to play for the Seahawks and Eagles for a few years in the late 80's/early 90's... anyway, this guy said the LB core at OU pretty much hated him, thought he was overrated and he told me straight up there were at least three/four guys on OU's LB core from that era that were just as good if not better, the Boz was just the squeaky wheel.

Was this guy you worked with drafted? I ask because i'm nosey and tried to find him. There are no linebackers from OU, that were drafted, that played for both the Eagles and the Seahawks.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

I mean it really counts on what awards you're considering major, I guess. But...

Two time winners organized by award:

Walter Camp Award
OJ Simpson
Colt McCoy
Archie Griffin

Doak Walker
Darren McFadden
Ricky Williams

Davey O'Brien
Jason White
Danny Wuerfuel
Ty Detmer

Vince Lombardi/Rotary
Orlando Pace

Bronko Nagurski
Dan Morgan
Pat Fitzgerald

Maxwell
Tim Tebow
Johnny Lattner

Hendricks
David Pollack

Outland
David Rimington

Bednarik
Paul Posluszny
Pat Fitzgerald

You may have noticed Pat Fitzgerald's name on here twice...
Per Wikipedia

Thanks, not as rare as I assumed. What about Dan Morgan? That dude was a badass for the Hurricanes. He got tore up with injuries in Carolina didn't he?

 

[irishog77]

Was this guy you worked with drafted? I ask because i'm nosey and tried to find him. There are no linebackers from OU, that were drafted, that played for both the Eagles and the Seahawks.

Wooly's creepin' on this dude like he did the koon. Ha!

If true, then I suspect this is another one of Acamp's imaginary friends.

 

[ACamp1900]

Wooly's creepin' on this dude like he did the koon. Ha!

If true, then I suspect this is another one of Acamp's imaginary friends.

haha, freakin wooly... smh... off memory (I didn't tape record these convos so sue me if a detail is off or not, what i really remember from all this was his opinion of Boz) he got hurt his junior year (??) and transferred to Fresno State for his final year or two... don't remember if he was drafted, but I assume so.

 

[woolybug25]

haha, freakin wooly... smh... off memory (I didn't tape record these convos so sue me if a detail is off or not, what i really remember from all this was his opinion of Boz) he got hurt his junior year (??) and transferred to Fresno State for his final year or two... don't remember if he was drafted, but I assume so.

You didn't tape it? Tsk... Tsk... Tsk...


How am I supposed to work with this low level intel?


Check that... pics or it didn't happen. Get your mom to text them to you if you don't have them.

I'll wait here...

 

[BobD]

Earlier I said I never cared much for him.

It's because he was a side show that got propped up as a major attraction.

The Top 10 NFL Draft Busts of All Time | Bleacher Report

The Tommy Gunn of football.

The Billy Ray Cyrus of football.

When I see him, those are the people I equate him to.

JMO

 

[woolybug25]

Hey Bob... you bite your tongue on Billy Ray... that man is a saint!

You just broke my heart, Bob... my achy breaky heart...

 

[BGIF]

It amazing that so many come down hard on baseball players for peds and steroids but football players seem to get a pass. Is it the increased aggressiveness that appeals to the fans in one sport but not another?

Bosworth was a talented HS player that developed into a college star in a drug abusing program. Apparently I'm one of the few that remember him getting banned in college for drug use. ARod is a peds bum today while Bosworth is revered among Big Hit fans.

He became a caricature, The Boz. Then the injuries piled up. He wasn't one and done but it was close.

I don't see much difference between Bosworth and Lyle Alzado, another caricature who enhanced his Big Hit skill through roids and another guy whose body payed the price. Bosworth was actually fortunate that his injuries emerged early in his career eliminating the need for the drugs that brought Alzado a bigger paycheck and destroyed him.

 

[ACamp1900]

It amazing that so many come down hard on baseball players for peds and steroids but football players seem to get a pass. Is it the increased aggressiveness that appeals to the fans in one sport but not another?

Bosworth was a talented HS player that developed into a college star in a drug abusing program. Apparently I'm one of the few that remember him getting banned in college for drug use. ARod is a peds bum today while Bosworth is revered among Big Hit fans.

He became a caricature, The Boz. Then the injuries piled up. He wasn't one and done but it was close.

I don't see much difference between Bosworth and Lyle Alzado, another caricature who enhanced his Big Hit skill through roids and another guy whose body payed the price. Bosworth was actually fortunate that his injuries emerged early in his career eliminating the need for the drugs that brought Alzado a bigger paycheck and destroyed him.

As a fan of both baseball and football, I have never been able to put my mind fully around this either... well done.

 

[Irish#1]

You didn't tape it? Tsk... Tsk... Tsk...


How am I supposed to work with this low level intel?


Check that... pics or it didn't happen. Get your mom to text them to you if you don't have them.

I'll wait here...

This is where the really good ones shine! lol

I remember hearing a story years ago how Boz worked in an auto assembly plant in the summer while at OU. Said he would occasionally put a lost bolt in the frame so that there would be a rattle when stopping/starting and would be impossible to find and fix. Don't know how true that was. Wolly. see if you can track that down while you're at it.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Tune in to watch a big dude cry for an hour, while his son awkwardly stands by.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

It amazing that so many come down hard on baseball players for peds and steroids but football players seem to get a pass. Is it the increased aggressiveness that appeals to the fans in one sport but not another?

Bosworth was a talented HS player that developed into a college star in a drug abusing program. Apparently I'm one of the few that remember him getting banned in college for drug use. ARod is a peds bum today while Bosworth is revered among Big Hit fans.

He became a caricature, The Boz. Then the injuries piled up. He wasn't one and done but it was close.

I don't see much difference between Bosworth and Lyle Alzado, another caricature who enhanced his Big Hit skill through roids and another guy whose body payed the price. Bosworth was actually fortunate that his injuries emerged early in his career eliminating the need for the drugs that brought Alzado a bigger paycheck and destroyed him.

I think it falls under ' time heals all wounds'. Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't recall people being to bent up when Pete Rose got banned, now, everyone wants him reinstated, me included. Well, eligible for the HOF anyway.

I think people have a HUGE miss conception about the peds in my opinion. 'Steroids' is about as generic a term as Pizza.