Texas A&M Shooting

[Kingbish01]

What is wrong with people???

 

[Kingbish01]

Texas A&M: Active shooter on campus apprehended - Yahoo! News

 

[obi wan mahoney]

Another tragedy? We're becoming our own worst enemies. At Georgia Tech, they are trying to pass a conceal to carry legislation. I'm not sure that is the solution, but we need to figure out something.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Sad as it is to say, it is almost getting to the point where this stuff isn't shocking. Gun control is not one of my pet issues, but I do think it is worth noting that these shootings are not possible without guns. As long as guns are ubiquitous in our country, we will continue to kill each other.

 

[Cackalacky]

I am not saying I totally agree or disagree with this but this is at least an interesting point....

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[johnnykillz]

Sad as it is to say, it is almost getting to the point where this stuff isn't shocking. Gun control is not one of my pet issues, but I do think it is worth noting that these shootings are not possible without guns. As long as guns are ubiquitous in our country, we will continue to kill each other.

People will find guns for god sake.

Also of note, were it not for guns you would not be free.

 

[NDBoiler]

God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.

 

[Rhode Irish]

People will find guns for god sake.

Also of note, were it not for guns you would not be free.

Look, I'm not an anti-gun nut. I respect the second amendment and I appreciate the role that guns have played in our history. I also believe in finding moderate, practical solutions to problems. Part of the problem is cultural, in that too many people have too great a fascination with guns, and I recognize that you can't legislate that problem away. I also believe that the second amendment does not dictate that we cannot have reasonable regulations and restrictions on what kinds of guns are made, who can have them and where. (Also of note: the Second Amendment does not contain the word "gun.")

But the point remains that if we did not make guns, people would not have guns. If we made less, people would have less. If it were harder to get them, there would be less of them, and if there are less of them they would be easier to track and they would cost more. If they cost more and they are easier to track, I guarantee random acts of violence would decrease. Maybe the most determined psychopaths would still find guns, but why make it so easy for them?

 

[Cackalacky]

I think its funny that people on the terrorist watch list are still able to buy guns and the NRA supports this.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I am not saying I totally agree or disagree with this but this is at least an interesting point....

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It is a fantastic point. I'm not in favor of repealing the second amendment or anything, but rabid pro-gun people do not take a reasonable position or pay any attention to any of the more complicated components of the issue. Thanks for posting it.

 

[NDBoiler]

Look, I'm not an anti-gun nut. I respect the second amendment and I appreciate the role that guns have played in our history. I also believe in finding moderate, practical solutions to problems. Part of the problem is cultural, in that too many people have too great a fascination with guns, and I recognize that you can't legislate that problem away. I also believe that the second amendment does not dictate that we cannot have reasonable regulations and restrictions on what kinds of guns are made, who can have them and where. (Also of note: the Second Amendment does not contain the word "gun.")

But the point remains that if we did not make guns, people would not have guns. If we made less, people would have less. If it were harder to get them, there would be less of them, and if there are less of them they would be easier to track and they would cost more. If they cost more and they are easier to track, I guarantee random acts of violence would decrease. Maybe the most determined psychopaths would still find guns, but why make it so easy for them?

Tom - That is a logical argument that I can certainly support, except for one issue. It is with restriction of an individual's freedom and in particular, with the individual's right to defend themselves and their family. Some citizens will choose to own firearms (regardless of what some statistics show about the use of guns for home defense) as the preferred way they wish to handle this issue. Restricting one's ability to do so by limiting firearm supply or increasing cost is obviously going to therefore restrict the way one may wish to provide for their personal/family security. Now, I will say that there is a very reasonable arguement to address types of personal firearms. For example, automatic weapons are not necessary and can be quite dangerous in home/personal defense situations, and are not recommended by most firearms experts for that reason. The bottom line IMO is that the wrong people are going to get firearms no matter what restrictions are in place, a la the old adage, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Perhaps it's more of a matter of educatiing our society than of blaming the instrument?

 

[JadeBrecks]

Look, I'm not an anti-gun nut. I respect the second amendment and I appreciate the role that guns have played in our history. I also believe in finding moderate, practical solutions to problems. Part of the problem is cultural, in that too many people have too great a fascination with guns, and I recognize that you can't legislate that problem away. I also believe that the second amendment does not dictate that we cannot have reasonable regulations and restrictions on what kinds of guns are made, who can have them and where. (Also of note: the Second Amendment does not contain the word "gun.")

But the point remains that if we did not make guns, people would not have guns. If we made less, people would have less. If it were harder to get them, there would be less of them, and if there are less of them they would be easier to track and they would cost more. If they cost more and they are easier to track, I guarantee random acts of violence would decrease. Maybe the most determined psychopaths would still find guns, but why make it so easy for them?

What you really need to do is look into legislation that will allow people to carry everywhere. These 95% of these cowards go into "Gun Free" zones to shoot people because they know they can't shoot back. All these schools, the military base, and even the movie theater were all places that people weren't allowed to carry. Unfortunately the only thing that may even make them think twice is if one of these shooters gets popped right of the bat by a law abiding armed citizen.
As far as adding legislation. There are already too many laws that are on the books to catch these people. More laws don't work. You give me money and name an illegal drug. I guarantee you if I wanted I could get you anything you wanted (money being no option). People will still be able to get guns even if they were illegal. The only difference is you would spend more in a dark alley verse less at a gun store.
My prayers go out to the affected.

 

[NDBoiler]

What you really need to do is look into legislation that will allow people to carry everywhere. These 95% of these cowards go into "Gun Free" zones to shoot people because they know they can't shoot back. All these schools, the military base, and even the movie theater were all places that people weren't allowed to carry. Unfortunately the only thing that may even make them think twice is if one of these shooters gets popped right of the bat by a law abiding armed citizen.
As far as adding legislation. There are already too many laws that are on the books to catch these people. More laws don't work. You give me money and name an illegal drug. I guarantee you if I wanted I could get you anything you wanted (money being no option). People will still be able to get guns even if they were illegal. The only difference is you would spend more in a dark alley verse less at a gun store.
My prayers go out to the affected.

Says the man with the Kermit the Frog carrying an AK-47 avatar

 

[goldandblue]

But the point remains that if we did not make guns, people would not have guns. If we made less, people would have less.

The Kalashnikov aka AK-47 has never been produced in the US.

Do you propose that we get other countries to stop producing guns?

If the U.S. puts stricter regulations on gun purchases/ownership, welcome to the Black Market... I can assure you that the US does not want to experience a tremendous growth in the black market sale of guns where anything and everything goes....

If you want to blame someone on random shootings other than the dumb bastards pulling the trigger, blame the media for the glorified coverage these *******s get which in turn makes someone else want to "go bigger"... Not the heap of metal that would never get out of the closet if someone didn't pick it up.

 

[johnnykillz]

Lol.

The only people in support of gun control are the ones without guns.

Easy pickuns someday.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Gun control is not the answer, and neither is allowing guns everywhere. There are crazy people out there and even if everyone is carrying they are still going to find a way to shoot others (yes, maybe they shoot less people but you will not know until it happens and they will still kill and hurt). To me the hate talk that is so common on our society nowadays and the lack of respect for fellow humans had more to do with these types of incidents then anything else.

People these days have so very little room for anyone who differs with them politically, socially, etc. that they say some very heinous stuff. Then you have these people who are already mentally unstable or socially outcast and they get pushed over the edge. I do not think it is one particular thing that was said, viewed, heard, etc. but the constant hate talk that you hear everyday in the news, commercials, etc. is hard for normal people to put aside much less someone who is already bent towards those ends.

 

[irishpat183]

You can't legislate the crazy outta people.

And that is all I will contribute. In fear of offending people on here.

 

[woolybug25]

Lol.

The only people in support of gun control are the ones without guns.

Easy pickuns someday.

I'm a gun owner that supports stricter gun control laws. So I guess that one is wrong at least in my case.

 

[yankeeND]

Feel like this world is becoming lost. I can not for the life of me figure out why there are people who hold no value on their fellow man's life. The most precious gift taken away by any other means of health reason or accidents is just appalling to me. Even in those cases it's tragic.

 

[CTIDANDREW]

What you really need to do is look into legislation that will allow people to carry everywhere. These 95% of these cowards go into "Gun Free" zones to shoot people because they know they can't shoot back. All these schools, the military base, and even the movie theater were all places that people weren't allowed to carry. Unfortunately the only thing that may even make them think twice is if one of these shooters gets popped right of the bat by a law abiding armed citizen.
As far as adding legislation. There are already too many laws that are on the books to catch these people. More laws don't work. You give me money and name an illegal drug. I guarantee you if I wanted I could get you anything you wanted (money being no option). People will still be able to get guns even if they were illegal. The only difference is you would spend more in a dark alley verse less at a gun store.
My prayers go out to the affected.

If that day ever comes in this country.

Where when you're leaving your house you got to remember to check to make sure you have your car keys, wallet, and your Gun....I will lose all hope for the future of this great nation and most likely leave. That is so far from the right solution I dont even know what to say. Not trying to be an a-hole either.

 

[Cackalacky]

I'm a gun owner that supports stricter gun control laws. So I guess that one is wrong at least in my case.

Seconded. I dont need a 33 bullet semi-automatic clip to kill an intruder into my home.

 

[Cackalacky]

Feel like this world is becoming lost. I can not for the life of me figure out why there are people who hold no value on their fellow man's life. The most precious gift taken away by any other means of health reason or accidents is just appalling to me. Even in those cases it's tragic.

List of wars involving the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

LULZ. America has been in a de facto state of war since 1776. Hmmm.... Ohh,...... and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

This does not include the rest of recorded human history.........

 

[yankeeND]

Brother I've served in war zones and it is just as tragic to me. I hear ya!

 

[Cackalacky]

Brother I've served in war zones and it is just as tragic to me. I hear ya!

A sincere thank you for your service and I am glad you are back.

 

[Cackalacky]

It is a fantastic point. I'm not in favor of repealing the second amendment or anything, but rabid pro-gun people do not take a reasonable position or pay any attention to any of the more complicated components of the issue. Thanks for posting it.

Its easy to see what the founding father's intent was (obviously without them being able to know what destructive capacity we are capable of now). Now almost 300 years later, we have no need of a standing militia. We have that well trained armed sevices. So it is very interesting to me how the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment has moved from a "standing militia" to the right to possess weapons for personal use.

Other portions of the Constitution I think support one's right to possess weapons, but the 2nd Amendment is not truly the basis IMHO, which i think that clip does a good job explaining.

 

[yankeeND]

A sincere thank you for your service and I am glad you are back.

I'd say you're welcome but there is no need for appreciation. It was always in my heart to defend the people and a place that I truly love! I just get down when things like this happen because unfortunately its people like this and movie theatre killers that get the same protection as well. But you can't sacrifice everyone's right to freedom because of another's evils.

 

[gkautz10]

Even though drugs are illegal, people still find a way to get them. Why would anyone think it would be different with guns?

 

[Cackalacky]

I'd say you're welcome but there is no need for appreciation. It was always in my heart to defend the people and a place that I truly love! I just get down when things like this happen because unfortunately its people like this and movie theatre killers that get the same protection as well. But you can't sacrifice everyone's right to freedom because of another's evils.

I find a deep-seeded satisfaction in the fact that this country is set up so that even the one's who try to tear it down are still afforded its rights and prtoections. That is "America"....Anyone can be an American....if they choose to do so. Don't get down, be glad, for those same people who try to tear it down will also face it's mighty justice system.

It would be far worse IMO if we exacted a swift and heedless miscarriage of justice than to meet it headfirst with dignity, pride, and facts.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Can someone point me in the direction of the Texas A&M Shooting thread, I clicked the link and ended up in a gun control argument.......

 

[irishrecruiting]

Tom - That is a logical argument that I can certainly support, except for one issue. It is with restriction of an individual's freedom and in particular, with the individual's right to defend themselves and their family. Some citizens will choose to own firearms (regardless of what some statistics show about the use of guns for home defense) as the preferred way they wish to handle this issue. Restricting one's ability to do so by limiting firearm supply or increasing cost is obviously going to therefore restrict the way one may wish to provide for their personal/family security. Now, I will say that there is a very reasonable arguement to address types of personal firearms. For example, automatic weapons are not necessary and can be quite dangerous in home/personal defense situations, and are not recommended by most firearms experts for that reason. The bottom line IMO is that the wrong people are going to get firearms no matter what restrictions are in place, a la the old adage, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." Perhaps it's more of a matter of educatiing our society than of blaming the instrument?

If there aren't guns, why does one need a gun to protect their family? To "say guns don't kill people, people kill people" is kind of a moot point, is it not? Without guns, guns don't kill people.

People keep guns in their home to "protect their family." The child will show a group of friends. The child will say, "It's not loaded," pulls the trigger, boom.

That's a scenario I've heard of. Can't point to an exact issue in the last few months, but why did Americans not learn from the shootings at Columbine? Gifford shooting in AZ? Virginia Tech? The Dark Knight movie in Aurora, Colo.? This is an issue that politicians can't just acknowledge when people are killed. They need to address this issue before it happens.

It's pathetic that the most likely reason Presidents haven't really done anything about gun control is because the NRA members won't vote for them. Unfortunately, politicians want votes, and they won't get them from people like NRA members/pro-gun people until everyone realizes this is a big mistake.

What about just giving guns to law enforcement officers? Isn't that what they do (or did until recently) in England? How many mass shootings have there been in Britain? One that comes to mind, in Dunblane. That's all I can think of.

I've hammered away at my point. Sorry, but this is one issue I really can't fathom. Why can't we just stop making guns, or make less as someone else said? They'll slowly go away and then these killing sprees will be few and far between.