Texas A&M Shooting

[irishrecruiting]

Even though drugs are illegal, people still find a way to get them. Why would anyone think it would be different with guns?

Can you grow guns and bullets in a garden like you can with marijuana? How much more effort does it take to make/find guns and bullets than it does to make/find drugs? (If both were illegal.)

 

[ACamp1900]

I've hammered away at my point. Sorry, but this is one issue I really can't fathom. Why can't we just stop making guns, or make less as someone else said? They'll slowly go away and then these killing sprees will be few and far between.

I am actually on the middle-left on this issue... I believe gun control law should be enforced and well written. I don't believe the right to arms was intended so that we all have rocket launchers... so I am closer to your basic feelings than those advocating the other side...

but this is so unrealistic it's hardly worth mentioning in this discussion, you can't un-invent the gun. We could throw all of our guns in a pile and burn them but the black market would still arm those willing to violate our lives and freedoms... only then we wouldn't have a means of real protection to deter them.

It sounds good to 'just get rid of guns" as it sounds good to "just leave the middle east"... we are kind of beyond that at this point.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

What I do not understand is that every time there is an incident like this we get a thread on IE, but when some right wing nut job (otherwise known as the republican base) goes off and kills a bunch of Sikhs in Wisconsin there is virtually no mention of it on his site. Why is that?

 

[ACamp1900]

What I do not understand is that every time there is an incident like this we get a thread on IE, but when some right wing nut job (otherwise known as the republican base) goes off and kills a bunch of Sikhs in Wisconsin there is virtually no mention of it on his site. Why is that?

Maybe because we are all scared of the literally millions of Americans that apparently make up murderous nut jobs... otherwise known as average republicans... why rile those hate filled freaks up???

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Shhhhhuuussssshhh!

I believe in people control.

 

[irishog77]

What I do not understand is that every time there is an incident like this we get a thread on IE, but when some right wing nut job (otherwise known as the republican base) goes off and kills a bunch of Sikhs in Wisconsin there is virtually no mention of it on his site. Why is that?

Did somebody prevent you from starting that thread? If those are threads you want to start and comment in, then have at it.

Some dude started a thread about his very own fantasy football team tonight....and people have actually read and commented on it.

 

[irishfanjho15]

I conceal carry my handgun everywhere I go unless I am drinking. I have a valid lifetime Indiana LTCH and I am an active law enforcement officer in Indiana. I can carry anywhere in Indiana and about 99% of places in the U.S. due to the LEOSA (Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act) portion of the Patriot Act.

I feel as a responsible citizen and a LEO that it is my duty to put myself in the line of fire if/when a situation develops that an active shooter may harm innocent bystanders. Due to this I keep myself armed in a conceal carry mode whenever possible. I feel this gives me a strategic advantage if the SHTF.

I respect everyone's opinions but I am of the opinion that I'd rather carry and never use my handgun than be in a place unarmed and need it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

 

[Cackalacky]

Maybe because we are all scared of the literally millions of Americans that apparently make up murderous nut jobs... otherwise known as average republicans... why rile those hate filled freaks up???

Until I see several pyschologial studies supported by weighty evidence and a significant importance factor, I can not agree that all (most) shooting spree victims are of a republican (conservative) nature. They are out there no doubt (Tides Foundation guy), just as are the leftists who go into their office buildings and mow down coworkers or in repsonse to some injustice.

Personal opinion: most people do these things for a variety of reasons and they are hard to predict or see coming. Random shootings are just that. I am noticing the major media outlets are less interested in this than Travon Martin or the Sihk church though. Maybe they are tiring of it since it is an election year...... who knows.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

95NDAlumNM was right with everything except talking about the republicans.

Not that being a republican or a democrat is any longer an honorable thing. I look at both of those parties and I am thinking they are a little (lot) short of providing the electorate viable choices for a future . . . We just shouldn't catagorize a group like that.

I don't think it is conspiracy, just the natural bigotry that exists that nobody mentions Wisconsin, but Colorado was and Texas will be talked into the ground.

Perfect example: How many people know which country Sikhs originated. I knew a Sikh prince with whom I worked at a large multi-national and learned a lot about the history and outlook of the people; they could be IRISH.

The guy in Texas who killed the Sikh just after 9/11 was recently executed to no fanfare. What percentage of the population saw this misplaced and incredibly stupid act of bigotry?

I knew it irishfanjho15, there was a reason we got along so well. I carry too, but I avoid places and times with my weapon because of my schedule. But when I carry it isn't a semi-automatic assualt rifle, (though I own one.) It is a seven round .357 Magnum. How about you? Do you carry a good defensive weapon, or one designed to inflict as much damage to as many as possible?

I adhere to a strict doctrine of defense. I don't use guns to make my case, just to defend those in need. Defense being the key word. But most of the popultation isn't like us. They think guns and shooting solves problems.

ACamp you crack me up! I love you my brother; I have never met anyone who is more certain of exactly where they stand on the issue (every issue) than you.

Here is what I know: you have an old soul and a good heart. Many don't. So that is why I can't identify with a particular ideological group. Sooner or later I find stronger kinship with people (individuals) than groups united by dogma.

I proved to myself on another thread that people like you, Johnny, most on this thread, RhodeIrish, the list goes on and on, all are good people whether we have the same political or religious convictions or not.

And oh yeah, I looked at that Wikipedia list above of US conflicts, and found it incomplete. The Banana Wars were entirely left off, as were a couple of other things I have since forgotten. But when I was in the service in the late 70's and very early 80's I can tell you we were shooting people on at least four continents.

 

[Cackalacky]

Texas A&M: Active shooter on campus apprehended - Yahoo! News

THis is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle....Go back and re-read the link....



Now we know this guy shot and killed the cop serving an eviction notice. More cops showed up and in the end 3 are dead including the assailant.

I miss the days when facts were facts and there was not a rush to be the first to report on something. (Re... Obamacare initial reports......that was funny though).

 

[johnnykillz]

I conceal carry my handgun everywhere I go unless I am drinking. I have a valid lifetime Indiana LTCH and I am an active law enforcement officer in Indiana. I can carry anywhere in Indiana and about 99% of places in the U.S. due to the LEOSA (Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act) portion of the Patriot Act.

I feel as a responsible citizen and a LEO that it is my duty to put myself in the line of fire if/when a situation develops that an active shooter may harm innocent bystanders. Due to this I keep myself armed in a conceal carry mode whenever possible. I feel this gives me a strategic advantage if the SHTF.

I respect everyone's opinions but I am of the opinion that I'd rather carry and never use my handgun than be in a place unarmed and need it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Amen!

Great post.

 

[irishpat183]

What I do not understand is that every time there is an incident like this we get a thread on IE, but when some right wing nut job (otherwise known as the republican base) goes off and kills a bunch of Sikhs in Wisconsin there is virtually no mention of it on his site. Why is that?

Moronic.....

And the guy was a Nazi...not close to a republican. Or a conservative. The Nazi's are a hate group. The other two are political parties.

But nice comment. Please feel free to actually do some research. You know, outside of liberal media websites.

 

[irishpat183]

And there are FAR more people that are responsible gun owners, than those that are not.

So let's just screw over those that do things the right way, because of these types of senerios that are overexposed to try and show they are the rule, not the exceptions.


People are what you need to fear, not guns. While there are people that don't need to own guns, no amount of gun control is going to prevent someone from getting a hold of a gun, or a weapon in general. (you can be killed with a knife as well...if it wasn't guns, you'd see that all over the news)

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Moronic.....

And the guy was a Nazi...not close to a republican. Or a conservative. The Nazi's are a hate group. The other two are political parties.

But nice comment. Please feel free to actually do some research. You know, outside of liberal media websites.

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

 

[gkIrish]

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

Wow

 

[johnnykillz]

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

Come on man.

Really? No one in America is close to Nazis. Except the skinheads and Nazis. Lol.

Now you are really taking this to a personal level.

Santa Fe and Taos have really gotten to you bud.

 

[irishpat183]

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

No, they're not. Again, Nazi's are founded on hate... Shall I go down the list of the crimes that Nazi's have committed against humanity?

Please inform me of anyting close to that that a republican or conservative has done to another ethinic group?

And, Hitler was a socialist...which is closer to the left, if you want to get techincal.

But you'll probably come back with some "fascist"(which is another state of socialism (there are 3) comment, and you probably don't know the real meaning of the word.

 

[irishpat183]

Fact is, guys, he has no idea what he's talking about.

He needs to stop going to Keith Olberman and Roseanne Barr for his political education

 

[woolybug25]

The stupid political discussions you guys always find a way of creating make me want to stab myself in the eye with a pencil.

I wish the mods had a political board that they could move threads like these into and keep them off of the front page. These threads are the worst part about IE.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Sure, my poor Notre Dame education taught me nothing. Maybe I can attend the college that you went to Irishpat and they can set me straight (i mean to the right)? And no I was not going to mention fascism as that is more a blend of right wing and left wing ideology. I was going to say KKK as I think that is also another one of the right wing organizations.

 

[Cackalacky]

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

I must disagree but Nazis were fascists and fascism is a COMPLEX idealogy and can vary on the political belief spectrum as much as our own democratic system between right and left beliefs. Its origin was in fact developed as a result of WWI from parts of left and right side policies. In general Fascists are extremely nationalistic and seek to purify the nation of impure entities both of persons and corpations, while centralizing the nations resources and work force (totalitarian but also corporatist). Nazis held some very liberal positions but also some very conservative positions as well, s Hitler was a well document Catholic. The Nazis were kind of an elite class-populist movement that supported major profit-incentivized industrialization and national expansion while at the same time disparaging and quelling both capitalism and communism. I don't quite totally understand their belief structures though because it is very complex and conflicting at the same time and varied from group to group. The fact that the Nazis translated name includes socialist is also confusing as they were obviously as fascist as Italy, and it may have been a ploy by Hitler to gain popular support duirng his rise to power.

I would be careful making that claim....and anyone who claims nazis and socialists are the same or comparable, are full of it. Hitler hated communists and socialists as much as he hated democracy.

You may be able to make and support the claim currently that the "nazis' in America today are right wing, but what does that say about them and their knowledge of their own ideaology...

 

[GoIrish41]

What you really need to do is look into legislation that will allow people to carry everywhere. These 95% of these cowards go into "Gun Free" zones to shoot people because they know they can't shoot back. All these schools, the military base, and even the movie theater were all places that people weren't allowed to carry. Unfortunately the only thing that may even make them think twice is if one of these shooters gets popped right of the bat by a law abiding armed citizen.
As far as adding legislation. There are already too many laws that are on the books to catch these people. More laws don't work. You give me money and name an illegal drug. I guarantee you if I wanted I could get you anything you wanted (money being no option). People will still be able to get guns even if they were illegal. The only difference is you would spend more in a dark alley verse less at a gun store.
My prayers go out to the affected.

Yes that is the answer. That way, when someone cuts you off in traffic you can pull up beside him at the next red light and shoot him. Giving everyone a gun is an insane idea my friend. Do you really want this nation to revert back to the wild west?

Oh, and that video on the 2nd amendment is right on. The current accepted national interpretation amendment is a joke. How much evidence does this country need before it comes to its senses and adopts sensible legislation that keeps guns out of peoples' hands? I understand that many will feel like this idea tramples on their rights, but so does saying that everyone should carry a gun. I believe I have the right to go see a movie without someone coming in and opening fire.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

Yes that is the answer. That way, when someone cuts you off in traffic you can pull up beside him at the next red light and shoot him. Giving everyone a gun is an insane idea my friend. Do you really want this nation to revert back to the wild west?

Oh, and that video on the 2nd amendment is right on. The current accepted national interpretation amendment is a joke. How much evidence does this country need before it comes to its senses and adopts sensible legislation that keeps guns out of peoples' hands? I understand that many will feel like this idea tramples on their rights, but so does saying that everyone should carry a gun. I believe I have the right to go see a movie without someone coming in and opening fire.

Actually I like this a lot better then the concealed carry laws. If people carried by strapping a gun to their hip that would at least be a visual deterrent to some people as they could plainly see that others have a gun also. Having a concealed weapon would help once the shooting starts but having a gun on your hip would also deter some people.

 

[PraetorianND]

Ohhh...touchy, touchy. Did I hit a little close to home. Actually Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives. They are all on the right. Fact. Look it up. Right wing is right wing. Also, I do not look at any liberal media websites. Unless IE and UND.com are now considered liberal media. Hahaha

Just because someone identifies as Republican does not mean they are close to being a Nazi. There are many moderate republicans out there. Yes, there are many ultra-conservative republicans as well; but in most cases, even those ultra-conservative republicans are nowhere near the ideology of the Nazi party. That's like saying all Democrats are hippies, it is simply not true and honestly, pretty ignorant.

In fact, this entire comment is ignorant. Anytime someone says "look it up," it likely means you are making a statement loosely based on some piece of information you heard. Making claims like you just made is so utterly asinine.

I went to ND and nobody taught me that "Nazis are close to republicans and conservatives."

 

[irishpat183]

I must disagree but Nazis were fascists and fascism is a COMPLEX idealogy and can vary on the political belief spectrum as much as our own democratic system between right and left beliefs. Its origin was in fact developed as a result of WWI from parts of left and right side policies. In general Fascists are extremely nationalistic and seek to purify the nation of impure entities both of persons and corpations, while centralizing the nations resources and work force (totalitarian but also corporatist). Nazis held some very liberal positions but also some very conservative positions as well, s Hitler was a well document Catholic. The Nazis were kind of an elite class-populist movement that supported major profit-incentivized industrialization and national expansion while at the same time disparaging and quelling both capitalism and communism. I don't quite totally understand their belief structures though because it is very complex and conflicting at the same time and varied from group to group. The fact that the Nazis translated name includes socialist is also confusing as they were obviously as fascist as Italy, and it may have been a ploy by Hitler to gain popular support duirng his rise to power.

I would be careful making that claim....and anyone who claims nazis and socialists are the same or comparable, are full of it. Hitler hated communists and socialists as much as he hated democracy.

You may be able to make and support the claim currently that the "nazis' in America today are right wing, but what does that say about them and their knowledge of their own ideaology...

Great post. Although I disagree that Hitler "hated socialism". He was actually, in the worst sense, a socialist (a very extreme one). He was head of the National Socialist Workers party in Germany and lost in 2 elections. And if you read some of his writings on economic policy, they closely resemble that of a socialist.

But I do agree, very complex and does have it's contradictions.

 

[irishpat183]

Sure, my poor Notre Dame education taught me nothing. Maybe I can attend the college that you went to Irishpat and they can set me straight (i mean to the right)? And no I was not going to mention fascism as that is more a blend of right wing and left wing ideology. I was going to say KKK as I think that is also another one of the right wing organizations.

Ah yes. You went to ND. Good for you and everyone that goes there must be an expert in any number of fields.

Come on. Kuddos to you for graduating there, I wish I had that opportuinty. But that doesn't mean jack in this discussion...


And the KKK isn't a "right wing organization" anymore than the black panthers are a left wing organization.

You're still being ignorant.

 

[95NDAlumNM]

As an organization are Conservatives, Republicans, the KKK, and Nazis on the right, on the left, or center leaning?

 

[ACamp1900]

The assumption here is that the Nazi party represents the far right the way the Communist parties represent the far left… it’s just not true. They are not perfect opposites of each other. I am very aware that some text books, written by the left wing agenda driven Howard Zinn’s of the world, make the case that Nazism is all exclusively right wing. I would say ND95 has read far too many of these as he connected a hate crime immediately with the right… just as media outlets of the same political ideology often do. Should we have a discussion on how the Unibomber and Oswald were both seen as leftists or how Timothy McVeigh was viewed to have come from the right??? Do we want to begin comparing death tolls of the far left and far right, even IF we place the Nazis on the right? Give me a break.

Back to my original point, we can site Wikipedia, Howard Zinn and the Huffington Post all we want… The Nazi party was a crazy odd ball mix of left and right,… some right wing militarism, nationalism and some leftist policies that lead to a massive centralized government. Hitler did in fact dislike Communism as he saw it as a “Jewish Thing”. He wrote openly about this. So of course when those of his time tried to fit his peps into a box, the opposite of Communism is what they cited. I will say this clearly, nowhere in the Rebuplican ideology does it say "Hate Jews". Hitler was driven first and foremost by this and that created a very odd thing, the Nazi party. While in power the Nazis were anti-capitalist, anti-communist, and very anti personal liberties and very pro big gov. … some of that is left, some of that is right some of that is just wrong and not representative of either… at all … the Nazis were very much an odd political anomaly in my opinion.

Do some skinheads and nutbags in this country now use all of this and vote Republican...? no question. It takes all kinds.

Also, the KKK has a much deeper ties to the Democrats than the Republicans... should we all smash liberals over that and make the same insulting implications about the left??? This is just pathetic.

 

[PraetorianND]

As an organization are Conservatives, Republicans, the KKK, and Nazis on the right, on the left, or center leaning?

Are conservatives even an organization?

 

[irishog77]

As an organization are Conservatives, Republicans, the KKK, and Nazis on the right, on the left, or center leaning?

It's tough to claim the alliance you see with the KKK and Republicans, considering the KKK was founded by Democrats and one of their basic tenets was to intimidate and act violently towards Republicans.

But, sure, go ahead and continue to equate the KKK, Nazis, and any other group of people you don't like with Republicans.

P.S. Just my opinion, but I would cease mentioning your ND education in this thread.