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I'd rather have Notre Dame in the ACC for all sports than Big 12 for all sports. But I'd rather have Big 12 or ACC to Big Ten any day of the week.

Not sure what I would think about ND to Big 12 for all sports except football w/ a minimum number of games against Big 12 teams... that could be quite interesting.
 

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So here's another question.... what happens to our future football schedules if we join a conference? I would love to get out of our 2012 and 2013 gauntlets. They are set up incredibly stupid.
 

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So here's another question.... what happens to our future football schedules if we join a conference? I would love to get out of our 2012 and 2013 gauntlets. They are set up incredibly stupid.

It depends on what types of contingencies are written into the contracts. It's probably safe to assume that ND's lawyers had the foresight to give us an out if we join a conference.

We can't go around breaking contracts until we have other teams ready to take their places though.
 
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It depends on what types of contingencies are written into the contracts. It's probably safe to assume that ND's lawyers had the foresight to give us an out if we join a conference.

We can't go around breaking contracts until we have other teams ready to take their places though.

Yeah, a monetary out.
 
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I'd rather have Notre Dame in the ACC for all sports than Big 12 for all sports. But I'd rather have Big 12 or ACC to Big Ten any day of the week.

Not sure what I would think about ND to Big 12 for all sports except football w/ a minimum number of games against Big 12 teams... that could be quite interesting.

I agree, would much rather see ACC with FSU and Miami every year. Works wonderfully with basketball too.
 

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The NY Times' Pete Thamel wrote an article on realignment here. It discusses ND to the ACC.

Thamel seems to think ND would agree to schedule a certain number of ACC teams while remaining independent. Not sure how I'd feel about that.
 

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Theoretically, if they allow ND to stay independent in football, the ACC could take UConn and Rutgers (contrary to the article), adding ND as a 17th team in other sports. I think you need balance in football more than other sports - as the Big East has proven already can work for basketball where their number of schools seems to change every couple of years.
 

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Theoretically, if they allow ND to stay independent in football, the ACC could take UConn and Rutgers (contrary to the article), adding ND as a 17th team in other sports. I think you need balance in football more than other sports - as the Big East has proven already can work for basketball where their number of schools seems to change every couple of years.

Agreeing to play X games against ACC teams but remaining "independent" seems to be the worst of both worlds, no?
 

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Agreeing to play X games against ACC teams but remaining "independent" seems to be the worst of both worlds, no?

if you are have to schedule so many acc teams you might as well go ahead and join the conference. I really starting to think we will be in the acc soon.
 

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if you are have to schedule so many acc teams you might as well go ahead and join the conference. I really starting to think we will be in the acc soon.

Personally, I hope we will stay independent but I believe that you are correct in this assumption.
 

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if you are have to schedule so many acc teams you might as well go ahead and join the conference. I really starting to think we will be in the acc soon.

That's my point. We'd all prefer to maintain independence, but if we get forced to join a conference, there are definite perks involved-- chance to play for a conference championship every year, easier path into the BCS, etc.

I keep reading suggestions about how the Big 12 or the ACC might let ND remain quasi-independent if we agree to play a certain number of games against conference teams each year, but I don't see any advantage in that.
 

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That's my point. We'd all prefer to maintain independence, but if we get forced to join a conference, there are definite perks involved-- chance to play for a conference championship every year, easier path into the BCS, etc.

I keep reading suggestions about how the Big 12 or the ACC might let ND remain quasi-independent if we agree to play a certain number of games against conference teams each year, but I don't see any advantage in that.

Advantages for them (the ACC teams we face, exposure, money, etc.), hardly any for us. I hate the idea of losing our Independence, but definitely think the ACC is the best fit for us if we must go the conference route. Wouldn't mind having a chance to put the beat down on FSU and Miami on a regular basis.


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I can't see why the ACC would accept anything other than full membership.
 

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I have no idea what conference ND will join, or if they even will. I still think though that as physical geography has become less of an issue, the "superconference(s)" that will emerge will not necessarily look like anything already in existence. I could definitely see a conference of, say: ND, Texas, OU, Michigan, Ohio St, UNC, Florida, Georgia, USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, and BYU emerge. Maybe Nebraska, Penn St, and others too. All those schools have the clout based on money, alumni, and national followings to be a force economically. The superconference may not be so much of an actual new conference, but more of a break from the ethically bankrupt NCAA. Those teams would all be able to play a national schedule, get tons of TV exposure, and be in population and recruiting hotspots. Yeah, the schedule would be brutal, but they would play playoff gameS! to advance their champion. Just for argument's sake, say those exact teams did join up, then they could have the neutral site playoff games in places like Phoenix, NY, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, D.C., Miami, Charlotte, Nashville, New Orleans, St. Louis, KC, Chicago, Las Vegas, etc. for even MORE exposure in markets where they may not have existing teams. Recruits and fans would get to see them all over the country. I could see those schools giving a "F@!$ You" to the NCAA and doing it their own way. They could make rules like no more oversigning, no more offering scholarships before a recruit is even eligible, and you have to have a graduation rate of ____% to remain in it. And then if schools like Alabama (ok pretty much the entire SEC), the remaining remnants from the Big XII, ACC, and Pac-12 want to get on board and adhere to the requirements, then come on aboard. But screw up or cheat...and we're kicking you out.

Sorry for the rant. Just wanted to get that off my chest!
 

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That's my point. We'd all prefer to maintain independence, but if we get forced to join a conference, there are definite perks involved-- chance to play for a conference championship every year, easier path into the BCS, etc.

I keep reading suggestions about how the Big 12 or the ACC might let ND remain quasi-independent if we agree to play a certain number of games against conference teams each year, but I don't see any advantage in that.

Depends on how many "Conference" games we're talking about. There has been a similar agreement with the Big East for us to play 3 games each year against Big East opponents. As I see it, having a similar agreement with the ACC, or Big 12 would provide a home for our other sports while still alowing us to have a national schedule for football. We already play Pitt every year, and BC most years. Maryland and Wake are on the schedule this year, and Miami and Wake next year. Maybe we put FSU and Miami into a home and home rotation like Stanford and U$C. I could live with a 4-5 game "conference" schedule.
 

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Still can't see the ACC doing this. Certainly getting Notre Dame would be a big get, but only if it includes football. If they expand to a 16 team conference, adding them as a 17th team in the other sports only creates scheduling issues, especially in basketball and is not that much more of a draw.

If Notre Dame wasn't playing any ACC teams in football now then maybe there is some novelty to it but in reality adding a couple of games now is not much incentive.

Still hope there is a way this works out to stay independent.
 

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big east talking of adding 6 football schools.


here's the article from espn:

expanding football to 12Email Print Comments2303 By Andrea Adelson and Andy Katz
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The Big East will consider adding six more football-playing schools to get to 12 members in the wake of three departures in the last month, the league said in a statement Monday.

Following a teleconference Monday morning, Big East presidents and chancellors authorized commissioner John Marinatto to engage in formal discussions with institutions it has targeted in expansion, and are considering expanding to 12.

Pitt and Syracuse announced last month they were leaving for the ACC.


TCU is expected to accept an invitation from the Big 12 later Monday, leaving the Big East with six football-playing members and in desperate need to rebuild itself for the second time in the last eight years.

Navy, Air Force and Army are among the schools that have been mentioned for potential football-only membership. Memphis, Central Florida, East Carolina and Temple have been brought up as candidates as well, and Villanova could move up to the FBS level.

Before anything can be done, the Big East must be absolutely sure it can hold onto its six remaining members. There still is uncertainty throughout the big conferences given that Missouri is considering leaving the Big 12 and the Southeastern Conference has only 13 members.

On Monday, as it did before deciding to add Texas A&M, the SEC's board of presidents and chancellors convened for a regularly scheduled meeting without taking action in regard to further expansion, though "they discussed a wide range of issues dealing with the changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics," the conference said in a statement.

The Big 12's expansion committee is waiting to see if Missouri will recommit to the conference before deciding if it needs to add one more team to return to 10 now that TCU is expected to replace Texas A&M; remain 10 strong and not expand further; or add enough teams to get to 12.

The Big 12 has targeted Louisville and West Virginia as candidates in an expanded conference as well as independent BYU. Conference USA members also are viable, as is Boise State. Yet Louisville and West Virginia were on the Big 12's original five-school expansion list when the Aggies announced they were leaving for the SEC. The other three were Arkansas (staying in the SEC), Pitt (leaving the Big East for the ACC) and BYU.

The Big 12 is hopeful that Missouri will have an answer within a week after abstaining on critical votes to add TCU and to approve an equitable sharing of major television rights. Once the Tigers announce their decision, then the Big 12 can decide where it will go with its next move and whether or not this would affect the Big East.

Meanwhile, Air Force and East Carolina have made the most overtures about leaving their current conference. ECU has made it clear that it wants to be in the Big East and leave Conference USA.

Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh called the WAC and Missouri Valley about possibly moving all of its sports except football into one of those conferences and out of the Mountain West in case it went to the Big East in football.

The WAC would take Air Force, especially with the addition of the University of Denver. The MVC isn't currently interested in expanding, but the WCC also is trying to be a player here and would listen if the Falcons wanted a home for its other sports after accepting BYU this season.

Andrea Adelson covers Big East football for ESPN.com. Andy Katz is a senior college basketball writer for ESPN.com.
 

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big east talking of adding 6 football schools.

It has a desperation feel to it. I like the idea of the academies being together, but otherwise, thats not a group of consequential teams. They are probably losing AQ.
 

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It has a desperation feel to it. I like the idea of the academies being together, but otherwise, thats not a group of consequential teams. They are probably losing AQ.

Air Force turned down the big 12 because the AD said he could not let his guys get beat up that much so this is curious to me.
 

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If the ACC goes to sixteen teams from New York to South Florida, we could get a lot of geographic diversity if we played three or four games "in conference". We could even go to five or six games, leaving us with six or seven games to spread around.
If the ACC had two divisions, North and South, that would also work out for BB and all other sports, which would be important for travel, loss of class time, etc.
 

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The ACC isn't going to take anything less than full membership.
 

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big east talking of adding 6 football schools.


here's the article from espn:

expanding football to 12Email Print Comments2303 By Andrea Adelson and Andy Katz
ESPN.com

The Big East will consider adding six more football-playing schools to get to 12 members in the wake of three departures in the last month, the league said in a statement Monday.

Following a teleconference Monday morning, Big East presidents and chancellors authorized commissioner John Marinatto to engage in formal discussions with institutions it has targeted in expansion, and are considering expanding to 12.

Pitt and Syracuse announced last month they were leaving for the ACC.


TCU is expected to accept an invitation from the Big 12 later Monday, leaving the Big East with six football-playing members and in desperate need to rebuild itself for the second time in the last eight years.

Navy, Air Force and Army are among the schools that have been mentioned for potential football-only membership. Memphis, Central Florida, East Carolina and Temple have been brought up as candidates as well, and Villanova could move up to the FBS level.

Before anything can be done, the Big East must be absolutely sure it can hold onto its six remaining members. There still is uncertainty throughout the big conferences given that Missouri is considering leaving the Big 12 and the Southeastern Conference has only 13 members.

On Monday, as it did before deciding to add Texas A&M, the SEC's board of presidents and chancellors convened for a regularly scheduled meeting without taking action in regard to further expansion, though "they discussed a wide range of issues dealing with the changing landscape of intercollegiate athletics," the conference said in a statement.

The Big 12's expansion committee is waiting to see if Missouri will recommit to the conference before deciding if it needs to add one more team to return to 10 now that TCU is expected to replace Texas A&M; remain 10 strong and not expand further; or add enough teams to get to 12.

The Big 12 has targeted Louisville and West Virginia as candidates in an expanded conference as well as independent BYU. Conference USA members also are viable, as is Boise State. Yet Louisville and West Virginia were on the Big 12's original five-school expansion list when the Aggies announced they were leaving for the SEC. The other three were Arkansas (staying in the SEC), Pitt (leaving the Big East for the ACC) and BYU.

The Big 12 is hopeful that Missouri will have an answer within a week after abstaining on critical votes to add TCU and to approve an equitable sharing of major television rights. Once the Tigers announce their decision, then the Big 12 can decide where it will go with its next move and whether or not this would affect the Big East.

Meanwhile, Air Force and East Carolina have made the most overtures about leaving their current conference. ECU has made it clear that it wants to be in the Big East and leave Conference USA.

Air Force athletic director Hans Mueh called the WAC and Missouri Valley about possibly moving all of its sports except football into one of those conferences and out of the Mountain West in case it went to the Big East in football.

The WAC would take Air Force, especially with the addition of the University of Denver. The MVC isn't currently interested in expanding, but the WCC also is trying to be a player here and would listen if the Falcons wanted a home for its other sports after accepting BYU this season.

Andrea Adelson covers Big East football for ESPN.com. Andy Katz is a senior college basketball writer for ESPN.com.

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As a big fan of ND's basketball program, I am really worried about the direction the Big East is going in a futile attempt to save the football AQ status. The conference could really turn their great basketball tradition into a joke by adding schools like Boise State, the academies, C-USA schools, etc.

I still think certain teams should pull away and form a basketball-only Catholic League.

Notre Dame
Georgetown
Villanova
Marquette
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
DePaul
Xavier
Dayton
St. Joe's
Duquesne
LaSalle
St. Louis
St. Bonaventure

Beautiful!
 
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