Superconferences & Realignment

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

5). It becomes obvious that FSU/Miami are moving. SEC now will be 16. The ACC countermoves to ask in Rutgers and Connecticut who desperately want to be there. They do this to shore up the entire East Coast market. They are at 14 again, and waiting.

Not that it changes anything, but the ACC would want back into Florida in this scenario, so hold a spot for USF or UCF.

7). The so-called "leftovers" are coalescing around Boise. BSU reaches out to TCU, BYU, KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, Air Force, SD State, Nevada, and maybe others to form a respectable ten+ team conference containing four currently ranked teams. They hope to impress enough to be conference #5.

NOBODY is coalescing around Boise. They have a nice run put together, but they aren't a factor in this ballgame. At all.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Good catch.



I'm not sure why, but the ACC is alleged to have some flexibility with its TV contract. It'd be great to keep the NBC contract for home games, but I'm not sure it will be possible.

If ND went to the ACC on the condition that it would broadcast half of its games (the home contests) on NBC, ESPN/ABC would still be acquiring a handful of ND games it can broadcast nationally throughout the year (all of ND's ACC away games), which will provide them with a nationwide ratings boost a handful of times a year.

Who knows, maybe at the end of the NBC deal, ABC becomes the new home of ND home football games? I really like the job ND does with ND football (other than Tom Hammond) - its the only way I've ever known it. But at the end of the day, ND's number one loyalty has to be to itself, not a TV network.

 

[Old Man Mike]

RE: nobody's coalescing around Boise----the entire crew on the "The Experts" show thought differently today.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

7). The so-called "leftovers" are coalescing around Boise. BSU reaches out to TCU, BYU, KU, KSU, ISU, Baylor, Air Force, SD State, Nevada, and maybe others to form a respectable ten+ team conference containing four currently ranked teams. They hope to impress enough to be conference #5.

I understand the thought process, but this is tripping up a lot analysis on this subject. It's natural to think that, "Hey, there are gonna be some decent teams left out in the cold. Maybe they could pull together and make AQ #5, the Conference of Misfit Toys?"

The cold reality is that, regardless of how good any of those programs might be, they're all small market teams with relatively small fan bases. The economics are driving realignment, and thank God for that. If it was on-field performance that mattered, Boise State and Navy would have lots of leverage with the soon-to-be-super conferences, and we'd be left sadly wondering why no one cares about tradition anymore.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

RE: nobody's coalescing around Boise----the entire crew on the "The Experts" show thought differently today.

It could definitely happen in the short term. For the long term, though, I seriously doubt a stable 5th conference can be stitched together from the leavings of the Big East, Big 12, and the cream of the Mountain West.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

RE: nobody's coalescing around Boise----the entire crew on the "The Experts" show thought differently today.

I rest my case.

 

[Wolverine1997]

SEC adds Texas A&M, WVU, Miami & FSU. ACC adds UConn,Rutgers,Pitt,Syracuse,USF and ECU. PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State. B1G adds ND,Mizzou,Kansas and K-State.

Big 12 and Big East crumble. B1G renamed Midwest Conference.

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

SEC adds Texas A&M, WVU, Miami & FSU. ACC adds UConn,Rutgers,Pitt,Syracuse,USF and ECU. PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State. B1G adds ND,Mizzou,Kansas and K-State.

Big 12 and Big East crumble. B1G renamed Midwest Conference.

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[ShamrockOnHelmet]

B1G renamed Midwest Conference.

Why would they do that? Go from an internationally known brand name to something generic and unrecognizable?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The B1G would be better off adding the lower level MAC teams and the Michigan directional schools. That's all they play anyways.

 

[Old Man Mike]

In your BIG-friendly scenario, I'd alter it to have Clemson also jump ACC for SEC, and WVU go in there. And ACC might be more interested in Louisville or Cincinnati than ECU, or in UCF. Still don't see BIG going for KState though.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

SEC adds Texas A&M, WVU, Miami & FSU. ACC adds UConn,Rutgers,Pitt,Syracuse,USF and ECU. PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State. B1G adds ND,Mizzou,Kansas and K-State.

Big 12 and Big East crumble. B1G renamed Midwest Conference.

And I vomit all over my living room.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

SEC adds Texas A&M, WVU, Miami & FSU. ACC adds UConn,Rutgers,Pitt,Syracuse,USF and ECU. PAC adds Texas, Texas Tech, OU and Okie State. B1G adds ND,Mizzou,Kansas and K-State.

Big 12 and Big East crumble. B1G renamed Midwest Conference.

No teams will leave the ACC because the buyout will be ridiculous.

 

[Old Man Mike]

The Experts indicated how the buy-out would be do-able. It has to do with getting multiple million more conference share fees in the SEC than you get in the ACC. The buy-out would be made up in four years after which you'd make an extra $5 million per year [at current rates --- probably more once the big fix goes in vis-a-vis SEC TV revenues]. .

I'm not claiming that I like any of this, by the way; just reporting what's being said out there.

 

[GoldenChild]

If we join the Big 10 what happens to the USC rivalry? Do we play them early in the season now?

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

The Experts indicated...

What do the 'the Experts' have to say on the issue of abnormal aggression in alligators?

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[irishff1014]

The Experts indicated how the buy-out would be do-able. It has to do with getting multiple million more conference share fees in the SEC than you get in the ACC. The buy-out would be made up in four years after which you'd make an extra $5 million per year [at current rates --- probably more once the big fix goes in vis-a-vis SEC TV revenues]. .

I'm not claiming that I like any of this, by the way; just reporting what's being said out there.

20.3 is still alot of money for a buyout. The article i read said it would all have to be paid upfront.

 

[Grahambo]

SEC has already rejected WVU and extended an offer to Missouri but is willing to wait for the Big 12 mess to clear up.

Regards to the Big 12, Oklahoma has stated if Dan Beebe is voted out as commish and LHN is provided with stricter rules, they will stay Big 12.

 

[deacane]

2). The SEC sees this, weighs it, and adds Missouri to pair up with Texas A&M. That's 14. Who are they now saving two spots for? Negotiations behind the scenes are hot [this is a theory] with two little ol' Florida schools in the ACC who never have really fit there. The U of Florida is becoming pressured to shut up and get out of the way. There becomes a silent commit to reach their 16. FSU and Miami don't sweat the $20 million buy-out cost, as membership in the SEC pays them $5 million more per year than in the ACC. They'll make it up quickly.

You get off track here with #2. Clemson is the most likely school to leave the ACC, but that is not who the SEC wants. The SEC wants (in this order) (1) North Carolina (2) Virginia Tech (3) Florida State (4) North Carolina State/Virginia (5) would consider others only if necessary. FSU would certainly consider it, but none of the others are really a possibility. The SEC would never consider Miami because it is not "southern" and it is a small private school. Miami is thrilled to be in the ACC and compares itself to Syracuse, Duke, Wake Forest, and BC. Whatever happens, Miami will be in the ACC.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

There are 68 BCS conference teams including TCU and Notre Dame. I have a feeling that in the end it will be Baylor, Iowa State, Cincinnati, and TCU that get left out of the superconferences. Who goes where I have no idea.

 

[Rhode Irish]

The Experts indicated how the buy-out would be do-able. It has to do with getting multiple million more conference share fees in the SEC than you get in the ACC. The buy-out would be made up in four years after which you'd make an extra $5 million per year [at current rates --- probably more once the big fix goes in vis-a-vis SEC TV revenues]. .

I'm not claiming that I like any of this, by the way; just reporting what's being said out there.

The ACC's potential to generate revenue will likely increase significantly with ND, Syracuse, Pitt and another team in the fold. Especially ND and Syracuse, who are major draws in the country's biggest media market.

Nobody gets a higher percentage of eyeballs in their markets than SEC teams, but their markets are tiny. The SEC markets are also likely approaching their saturation points, whereas the ACC could become more of a force in its own markets if the prestige of the conference were to increase.

Obviously the SEC is King right now, but I think the ACC has major upside. Miami and FSU could be the big boys in the ACC, or the new kids in the SEC. I think there are reasons for them to stay in the ACC.

 

[phork]

I think what all you people in reference to BSU are forgetting is that the big boys don't want to play nice. Right now they have to under the BCS rules. 4 Super Conferences would kill the BCS as we know it and exclude all those fringe teams.

 

[Rack Em]

The PAC 12 just shot Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas, OU staying put; Pac 12 denies expansion - ESPN

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

The PAC 12 just shot Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas, OU staying put; Pac 12 denies expansion - ESPN

...for now.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

The PAC 12 just shot Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas, OU staying put; Pac 12 denies expansion - ESPN

WOW! Thats unexpected.

 

[IrishLax]

Want to know why we shouldn't join the Big Ten? Threads like this: michael wilbon calls out ND | mgoblog

There are so many regional "haters" affiliated with Big Ten schools that are jealous. Yes, jealous. Michigan tried to stomp Notre Dame out of football ages ago but ND survived and prospered (thanks, USC). The Big Ten conference, as a whole, has this huge inferiority complex/chip on its shoulder when it comes to ND and in no way do I see it working out in ND's interest to join the Big Ten.

And someone should tell Wilbon that Notre Dame has already gone out of their way to schedule all of the hardest Big Ten schools (MSU, Michigan, Penn State, Ohio State) as an independent over the years. What a clown.

 

[IrishLax]

The PAC 12 just shot Texas and Oklahoma.

Texas, OU staying put; Pac 12 denies expansion - ESPN

And everyone can rest easy until ~2013 (or earlier) when the remaining Big East teams have to start making moves.

 

[Irish2015]

I can almost bet Savy Jack had something to do with this.

 

[Rack Em]

And everyone can rest easy until ~2013 (or earlier) when the remaining Big East teams have to start making moves.

Gives us time to get our ducks in a row to make moves if necessary. But if Mizzou goes to the SEC (I doubt they have an offer though) that puts the Big 12 down to 8 teams. How long before they raid the Big East?

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Just delaying the inevitable. Part of me wants to just get this over with, but I suppose extra time to develop contingency plans can only be a good thing.