Superconferences & Realignment

[HereComeTheIrish]

Teel Time: Notre Dame considering full conference membership, says former Irish AD, ACC commissioner Corrigan - dailypress.com

Best snippet:

Nice...

 

[beryirish]

ESPN

Big 12 may go after Louisville to put the league up to 11 teams and.....

Big 12 could eventually attempt to lure Notre Dame into the league as an "associate member, in all sports but football."

If Notre Dame doesn't comply, Cincinnati could be the beneficiary of long term Big 12 expansion.

 

[phork]

Doesn't comply. Haha. I wasn't aware that we had to comply with a conference we have no association with..

 

[BGIF]

Dodd on Kelly, and Conferences

Dodd on Kelly, and Conferences

Transitioning Notre Dame needs to move before realignment stops - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

Dennis Dodd
10/31/11

...

Kelly spoke from the frustration that identifies what Notre Dame football is at the moment: mediocre.

Connecticut and Notre Dame each finished 8-5 last season. UConn went to the Fiesta Bowl. Notre Dame went to the Sun Bowl. ...

Missouri could officially move to the SEC this week. The Big East is expected to finalize a major expansion any day. But a reconstituted Big East might not be "worthy" of Notre Dame. Think of Mike Brey taking his troops across the country for a mid-February conference game in ... Boise.

That's a lot less glamorous than snowy central New York in mid-February. ...

That's less of an issue than what the BCS has done to Notre Dame football. It has defined it, labeled it. You're either a BCS program or you're not. At the moment, ND is in the BCS because of its brand, not its football. Knute Rockne is doing more for the Irish right now than Dayne Crist.

Sooner or later, the administration will have to realize it. For whatever reasons, Notre Dame is not competing for championships. ...

That might be the best reason to join a conference. College football is a monopoly at the moment and Notre Dame is being shut out. The ACC already is on record that it doesn't want just basketball and the nonrevenue sports. But that could change. With the addition of Syracuse and Pittsburgh, the ACC is what the Big East used to be.

I wrote last week that the Big 12 would be a logical option. ND could bring along the NBC contract and its plans to start its own network. The Big 12 already has accommodated the Longhorn Network. Notre Dame AD Jack Swarbrick and Texas AD DeLoss Dodds are close.

...

 

[IrishLax]

Boise State authorized to accept move to Big East.... conference is saved with the addition of Boise, Air Force, SMU, Houston + some others pending.

Boise State gets State Board approval for Big East move - Idaho Press-Tribune: News

Looks like Notre Dame will be keeping its independence.

 

[lrosen]

ND to BIG 12 --a perfect fit

ND to BIG 12 --a perfect fit

Notre Dame is a fit in the Big 12. Participation in the weakly perceived Big East has hurt the program for years. The Big East is now weaker with the loss of Pitt and WVU.
Big 12 affiliation would improve recruiting in Texas and further improve the now stabilized Big 12 which already has widely accepted status as the #2 conference (certainly in football and #3 in Basketball).
Along with friendly power Texas, The OU,UT,ND Tv contracts would bypass the BIG or SEC but remain a league that the Irish could compete favorably.
ND could remain Indy in football and perhaps join the 12 in a few years.
The ACC is also a good fit but ND would be lost in a 16 team league. BIG association is a poor choice. The league is hurting and three teams from the same state would be unacceptable.
ND could keep NBC, much as the Horns keep The Longhorn Network.
The Irish played their best with Texas talent and future Thanksgiving matchups with Texas would be huge.
The time is now. Big 12 is the place!

 

[beryirish]

Yes, you're new and we appreciate the imput but there is a detailed thread all about Superconferences & Realignment here:

http://www.irishenvy.com/forums/notre-dame-football/62768-superconferences-realignment.html

Happy Posting and welcome.

.....thank you mods for the move.

 

[Dubose805]

If ND has a bias towards getting to BCS, why will a 9-3 Irish outfit be on the outs when it's possible a Big East team w/ a worse record/ranking gets in?

If we cling to our independance because of that big NBC cheddar, why does Indiana make more off the Big Ten Network?

Total bias towards ND in college football, right?

Not insinuating joining a conference, just food for thought.

 

[IrishInFl]

Notre Dame is a fit in the Big 12. Participation in the weakly perceived Big East has hurt the program for years. The Big East is now weaker with the loss of Pitt and WVU.
Big 12 affiliation would improve recruiting in Texas and further improve the now stabilized Big 12 which already has widely accepted status as the #2 conference (certainly in football and #3 in Basketball).
Along with friendly power Texas, The OU,UT,ND Tv contracts would bypass the BIG or SEC but remain a league that the Irish could compete favorably.
ND could remain Indy in football and perhaps join the 12 in a few years.
The ACC is also a good fit but ND would be lost in a 16 team league. BIG association is a poor choice. The league is hurting and three teams from the same state would be unacceptable.
ND could keep NBC, much as the Horns keep The Longhorn Network.
The Irish played their best with Texas talent and future Thanksgiving matchups with Texas would be huge.
The time is now. Big 12 is the place!

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[irish1958]

The problem with the big 12 is that the institutions are not very highly rated in academics.
This is not true for the ACC (or the Big East).
Also, both the ACC and the Big East are far better for basketball.
I would opt for the ACC if we need to be in a conference.

 

[calvegas04]

The problem with the big 12 is that the institutions are not very highly rated in academics.
This is not true for the ACC (or the Big East).
Also, both the ACC and the Big East are far better for basketball.
I would opt for the ACC if we need to be in a conference.

Baylor, Texas AM and Kansas are ranked from BIG 12 in BB

UNC, Duke and FSU are ranked in BB for ACC

I wouldn't say ACC is far better in basketball

 

[Green Goblin]

Baylor, Texas AM and Kansas are ranked from BIG 12 in BB

UNC, Duke and FSU are ranked in BB for ACC

I wouldn't say ACC is far better in basketball

Seems like a half truth....

We know Syracuse and Pitt are now in the ACC as well. Also, if ND joins the ACC, UConn will also likely be coming in. The ACC to basketball would be even more insane than the SEC is to football....

 

[Carlyle Javar Holiday]

Baylor, Texas AM and Kansas are ranked from BIG 12 in BB

UNC, Duke and FSU are ranked in BB for ACC

I wouldn't say ACC is far better in basketball

In the recent years, the ACC has the most championships. Only Kansas from the Big12 has and was even remotely close to winning. Only team that really shows up in the tourney is UConn from the Big East. Syracuse got one because they had Melo.

 

[Green Goblin]

In the recent years, the ACC has the most championships. Only Kansas from the Big12 has and was even remotely close to winning. Only team that really shows up in the tourney is UConn from the Big East. Syracuse got one because they had Melo.

Ok but Syracuse has more success and stories than Texas A&M and Baylor combined....

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

meanwhile, over in football...

BCS proposes only handling national championship game, sources say - ESPN

 

[koonja]

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
There's that. RT @McMurphyCBS: ND's Swarbrick also said stability of the new Big East allows Irish to maintain independence in football


side note: no spot for this,

ChiTribHamilton Brian Hamilton
RT @Andy_Staples: ND AD Swarbrick: "The Longhorn Network doesn't have a bigger fan than me. It's fascinating as a business case study."

 

[beryirish]

ESPN Insider

College Football Rumors - Rumor Central - NCAA - ESPN

Big 12's Expansion Targets

"Notre Dame and Louisville are believed to be the programs the league would pursue if it decides to expand," Randy Riggs of the Austin American-Statesman wrote.

 

[mgriff]

ND and Texas would make a marquee conference, and it looks like they want to go East into the more concentrated markets as opposed to west. It makes sense. If ND is forced to join a conference, it has to be the Big Integer, for geographic, rivalry, and academic reasons.

 

[NDPhilly]

FSU and Clemson are rumored to be joining. the rumors from the ND side are that they would join for Olympic sports and play 4 Big 12 teams in football a year. Also they would play Texas every Thankisgiving. These are just rumors.

 

[Cali_domer]

FSU and Clemson are rumored to be joining. the rumors from the ND side are that they would join for Olympic sports and play 4 Big 12 teams in football a year. Also they would play Texas every Thankisgiving. These are just rumors.

If FSU and Clemson leave the ACC then the Big East will be poached again. That is when we will leave the Big East for greener pastures.. IMO

 

[Redbar]

I am totally opposed to these "super conferences". Much of what I despise most about college football is perpetuated by this trend. College football needs a stronger central NCAA authority, not a hodgepodge of "super conferences" deciding what is important to them, because I can tell you right now numbers 1, 2, and 3, will be money. Universities have obligations that I feel are similar to a public trust, if they are allowed to behave like corporations, chasing profits, and setting their own "super standards" these obligations will get left by the wayside. (Read any of Whiskey's ROI posts and you'll see that many of them have left these long ago if they ever had them)

Starting sometime 40 or 50 years ago there has grown in our collective psyche the belief that it is acceptable, even smart and right to just chase profit. Regulations, rules, restraint are bad and somehow limit our freedom. One persons greed will check another persons greed, when in fact what we wind up with is a system full of greed and corruption and ignorance. Where we all know something is wrong but are incapable of thinking our way out of it, and wouldn't have the power to change things if we could. And yes, I am talking about super conferences and realignment.
Notre Dame please stay independent. If we are forced to join a conference, never compromise your obligation, even if it means having to join a second tier conference as one earlier poster called it.

 

[phork]

I am totally opposed to these "super conferences". Much of what I despise most about college football is perpetuated by this trend. College football needs a stronger central NCAA authority, not a hodgepodge of "super conferences" deciding what is important to them, because I can tell you right now numbers 1, 2, and 3, will be money. Universities have obligations that I feel are similar to a public trust, if they are allowed to behave like corporations, chasing profits, and setting their own "super standards" these obligations will get left by the wayside. (Read any of Whiskey's ROI posts and you'll see that many of them have left these long ago if they ever had them)

Starting sometime 40 or 50 years ago there has grown in our collective psyche the belief that it is acceptable, even smart and right to just chase profit. Regulations, rules, restraint are bad and somehow limit our freedom. One persons greed will check another persons greed, when in fact what we wind up with is a system full of greed and corruption and ignorance. Where we all know something is wrong but are incapable of thinking our way out of it, and wouldn't have the power to change things if we could. And yes, I am talking about super conferences and realignment.
Notre Dame please stay independent. If we are forced to join a conference, never compromise your obligation, even if it means having to join a second tier conference as one earlier poster called it.

Did you just wake up?

NDs independence is predicated on pulling in phat stacks and not sharing. Don't even toss the tradition crap in. Had Fielding Yost not hated Catholics so much, we'd already be in the Big10.

As for the Big12 scooping FSU and Clemson and then the ACC poaching the BigEast.. Well, there isn't much left in the BigEast. ND logical move would be to the ACC.

 

[Redbar]

Did you just wake up?

NDs independence is predicated on pulling in phat stacks and not sharing. Don't even toss the tradition crap in. Had Fielding Yost not hated Catholics so much, we'd already be in the Big10.

As for the Big12 scooping FSU and Clemson and then the ACC poaching the BigEast.. Well, there isn't much left in the BigEast. ND logical move would be to the ACC.

Might have guessed you'd have something to say about my post Phork. No I didn't "just wake". I have no problem with universities making money as long as they fulfill their obligations as a University. They should not be tax receiving (in many cases) corporate conglomerates with academic divisions and an athletic division that masquerades as a part of the University. When in reality their relationship to the university is more as a built in fan base on the one hand and a marketing tool on the other. AND, I would have no problem with that either if the University just made every effort to insure that anyone they gave a scholarship to was actually being treated as a student-athlete. Anything less opens the door to the argument that these athletes are being exploited and deserve to be paid. (Which I also disagree with.)

We do agree on one thing though, and that is that should Notre Dame choose to join a conference, the ACC would seem a logical move.

 

[Wolverine1997]

In case anyone didn't know-

C-USA/Mountain West alliance is no-go.

C-USA adds Florida International, Louisiana Tech, North Texas, UT-San Antonio (program beginning this season) and UNC-Charlotte (program beginning in 2013).

Mountain West adds Utah State and San Jose State.

Sun Belt takes Texas State away from the WAC before they can even play a game in FBS, since they are moving up from FCS this season.

This leaves the WAC with two members, New Mexico State and Idaho. I see NMSU eventually joining the MWC to keep the little rivalry with New Mexico going. I think Idaho is going to drop down to FCS and join the Big Sky. Look for Montana to jump up to the FBS soon since the MWC is looking for more members to get to 12 teams.

With the departures of FIU and North Texas, there are a couple spots left in the Sun Belt. This most likely is the door for App State to jump to FBS.

Conference USA reloading by adding 6 schools - CBSSports

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Relegation: Why College Football Needs to Embrace Cannibalism

As a soccer fan, I support this whole-heartedly.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Relegation: Why College Football Needs to Embrace Cannibalism

As a soccer fan, I support this whole-heartedly.

Though I thoroughly dislike soccer, I could get behind this...

 

[NDhoosier]

soccer is awesome all around, of course football should start adopting some characteristics from the best sport in the world.

 

[Redbar]

What I read was embrace the flaws in the system, and then encourage them by opening up a few spots at the bottom for those willing to copy the tactics of the most corrupt, er I mean successful. This is not a slight on soccer at all, but introducing that into a corrupt and unfair system will only make it slightly more fair by making it infinitely more corrupt. They admit as much in the piece. No thanks.

 

[ACamp1900]

What I read was embrace the flaws in the system, and then encourage them by opening up a few spots at the bottom for those willing to copy the tactics of the most corrupt, er I mean successful. This is not a slight on soccer at all, but introducing that into a corrupt and unfair system will only make it slightly more fair by making it infinitely more corrupt. They admit as much in the piece. No thanks.

I love the Euro soccer league model... much more than any playoff/conference/whatever here...

but yeah, I fear it would only make things worse here...

 

[mgriff]

Hell yes. Tiered divisions make it soooo interesting. Then you have legendary teams at one time who can never make it back up. So you sacrifice plenty, but the drama is second to none.