Students at UC Irvine vote to ban American flag

[Irish YJ]

You implied that once whites are no longer the majority in America, a different (i.e. Asian/Hispanic) flag will be flown, which led to me inferring that you thought the Stars and Stripes represented a particular ethnicity

nope. the American flag to me represents the best parts of the US of A. The themes that our founding fathers created this country on. we seem to be losing that, and the culture (good culture, not negatives) that MOST of us admire and appreciate. getting rid of flags, prayer (at least the right to pray your own prayer), Christmas trees, Nativity scenes, etc., just eats at my core. Walking into a C-store and I can't ask a question because nobody speaks English, that eats at my core. my tax dollars going to someone that came here illegally, people here not paying taxes, that eats at my core. A Brazilian child who's been here since he was three, who speaks perfect English, works hard in school, loves the country, whose parents (friends of mine) pay taxes, who can't get into college or a drivers license, that eats at my core too.

 

[Irish YJ]

What is the American Way that only white people can do?

You my friend, or the definition of Ultra.
If you were a conservative, you'd be the chart maker for Fox.

 

[IrishLion]

I wonder how much of this is actually people feeling the flag is "non-inclusive" and fighting for that belief (however misguided), and how much is just students using a hot-button issue to pass a resolution that they can put on their resume as an achievement.

Stupid shit gets passed by the students at a school I'm familiar with all the time, and usually it's not because they care. It's because it's the SGA version of a hot take that they know will pass because, if it DIDN'T pass, people might be offended. And they just use that to put shit on their files and resumes. Many SGA members and faculty reps are up front about that when they're off the record.

 

[DonnieNarco]

No one is losing their right to pray their own prayer.

 

[scUM Hater]

Waiting for the ultra liberals to jump in and defend.... 10, 9, 8, .....

I am liberal and f them. Send them to Syria and let them join isis. Let's kick their ass. Like to put a grenade in their mouths.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

What is the American Way that only white people can do?

On most days I can have arguments with people on here and not call anyone names. You're an idiot.

 

[Irish YJ]

I am liberal and f them. Send them to Syria and let them join isis. Let's kick their ass. Like to put a grenade in their mouths.

That is not very ultra of you.
lol. keys to the bulldozer are yours.

 

[Irish YJ]

No one is losing their right to pray their own prayer.

While legally that is true, there are several instances where children were asked not to pray out loud, not to pray over lunch, not to fold their hands when they say silent pray, not to bring rosaries, not to wear religious jewelry, not to talk or write about God, etc..

 

[ACamp1900]

Seriously, if the wanted to be "radical" they should organize a UC wide tuition strike and demand class sizes be reduced, part time lecturers get pay raises and the system as a whole refocus on its mission of providing education opportunities for all Californians. They're too much a bunch of pussies though. Lol.

Their liberal education does fail them.......

 

[Bluto]

Their liberal education does fail them.......

Nah, they're just pussies. Lol.

 

[IrishSteelhead]

And they just use that to put shit on their files and resumes.

Boss: Tell me about your accomplishments

Kid: I once got the American Flag banned at my university

Boss: GTFO

 

[magogian]

*poof*

Did someone summon me? Am I supposed to care that bunch of idiot college students voted to remove all flags from some room somewhere? Seems like free speech in action to me, so it's got my thumbs up.

Banning speech does not equal free speech.

Sheesh.

 

[Bubbles]

guys....be very careful what you say...their liberal arts/philosophy/general studies/theoretical hemp farming degrees mean they will be your bosses one day......or....?

 

[IrishLax]

*poof*

Did someone summon me? Am I supposed to care that bunch of idiot college students voted to remove all flags from some room somewhere? Seems like free speech in action to me, so it's got my thumbs up.

You can't be serious. That's like some bizarro Fahrenheit 451-esque definition of "free speech." Banning ANYTHING is a RESTRICTION on speech.

 

[Irish YJ]

guys....be very careful what you say...their liberal arts/philosophy/general studies/theoretical hemp farming degrees mean they will be your bosses one day......or....?

yep. loved whiskey's post on page 1

don't get me wrong, I had a lot of "those" kind of friends in college. most of them woke up after a year or so of working. I certainly had a lot of different views in the 80s and 90s that I do now. reality changes most of us. I swore I'd never be like my mother working for phone company all my life. well I didn't work there all my life, but I spent 16 years working for the man and learning reality before moving on to greener pastures. life happens.

 

[IrishinSyria]

You can't be serious. That's like some bizarro Fahrenheit 451-esque definition of "free speech." Banning ANYTHING is a RESTRICTION on speech.

Whose speech Lax? The student government voted to remove the flags from the student government room. They didn't vote to ban flags from campus or ban people from waiving flags or anything like that. All they did was say no flags on the wall of (our) one room. I mean, yea, I guess they're restricting their own speech but that seems kind of a weird way to think about it.

 

[dshans]

... The student government voted to remove [the] flags from the student government room. They didn't vote to ban flags from campus or ban people from waiving (sic) flags or anything like that. All they did was say no flags on the wall of (our) one room. I mean, yea, I guess they're restricting their own speech but that seems kind of a weird way to think about it.

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[50milesSE ND]

Fuck you UC what an absolute disgrace.

 

[NDRock]

You're sensationalizing the fact that the article's title said "white". My point is that current immigration is not sustainable. the American Way (I'm sure you'll take the opportunity with this comment to throw darts at the American Way, so see Steelhead's post near the top) will be only a distant memory in 100 years.

I agree, we are a completely different country than we were 100 years ago so I assume another 100 years will bring further changes. Our whole current mindset on our role in the world is a 180 from where it was before we entered WW1.

Forgot to mention, these kids sound like total douche bags.

 

[dshans]

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[IrishLax]

Whose speech Lax? The student government voted to remove the flags from the student government room. They didn't vote to ban flags from campus or ban people from waiving flags or anything like that. All they did was say no flags on the wall of (our) one room. I mean, yea, I guess they're restricting their own speech but that seems kind of a weird way to think about it.

Well, that's how I see it. They're restricting speech in their domain. No matter what way you look at it, it's a restriction. Same way if they had banned the use of racial slurs in order to make the environment more inclusive... it would still be a restriction. It's really not much a of a departure from people who try to ban the ability for someone to do/have/say X in domain Y. It's all just degrees of censorship.

Banning (flags) in a (building) is just a derivative of banning (expression) in a (place).

 

[yankeehater]

This is what happens when you don't have a football program at your university.

 

[Bluto]

The only thing worse than this is how Fox News and every conservative outlet in America will blow this up for the next news cycle as "more evidence colleges have been overrun by the anti-American liberals!!!!"

We've got about 14 hours until Glenn Beck has a schitzophrenic's wall of charts, labels, faces of Marx/Lenin/Obama/Mao, and arrows pointing around and around connecting all sorts of bullshit to this.

Saw a report about 30 minutes after I read your post. The comments were pretty funny.

 

[dublinirish]

when i was in college the student union banned coca cola products from campus because CC was supposedly hiring assassins in Colombia to murder trade unions leaders. Moral of the story: students :/

 

[Grahambo]

when i was in college the student union banned coca cola products from campus because CC was supposedly hiring assassins in Colombia to murder trade unions leaders. Moral of the story: students :/

 

[dshans]

Fuck you UC what an absolute disgrace.

Shield my eyes!

The eloquence and reasoned logic are blinding!

 

[Cackalacky]

IMO this is more about global humanism than anti-Americanism. Freedom of expression is the humanist interpretation of "freedom of speech". They claim that true freedom of expression occurs in the absence of symbols or environments which limit the ability of a person truly express themselves. In this case the flags and related iconology impart restrictions (good or bad... Doesn't matter) on expression by, being an ever present bias. That they removed these items is no different really than other iconology. If it's all flags I have no problem with it. If it just the U.S. flag then they need to at least be consistent or GTFO.

It's not really a big deal. It's similar to the idea that religion cannot be imposed on another in order to have true expression of ones religion. You are free to express your religion but not at the diminishment of anothers right to be religious or not.

 

[Irish YJ]

IMO this is more about global humanism than anti-Americanism. Freedom of expression is the humanist interpretation of "freedom of speech". They claim that true freedom of expression occurs in the absence of symbols or environments which limit the ability of a person truly express themselves. In this case the flags and related iconology impart restrictions (good or bad... Doesn't matter) on expression by, being an ever present bias. That they removed these items is no different really than other iconology. If it's all flags I have no problem with it. If it just the U.S. flag then they need to at least be consistent or GTFO.

It's not really a big deal. It's similar to the idea that religion cannot be imposed on another in order to have true expression of ones religion. You are free to express your religion but not at the diminishment of anothers right to be religious or not.

Intellectually I understand your point. My heart however says, this school is a US public college. It's funded by US tax dollars, receives US tax benefits, etc.. If the people feel that they can not express their views, or feel comfortable, in the presence of this country's stars and stripes, they are probably in the wrong country to begin with. It is those stars and stripes that afford them the luxury of expressing their opinions freely in the first place.

 

[Cackalacky]

Intellectually I understand your point. My heart however says, this school is a US public college. It's funded by US tax dollars, receives US tax benefits, etc.. If the people feel that they can not express their views, or feel comfortable, in the presence of this country's stars and stripes, they are probably in the wrong country to begin with. It is those stars and stripes that afford them the luxury of expressing their opinions freely in the first place.

Your first sentences are exactly why what they are doing is what we would expect from full exercise of the first amendment. They are not limiting anyone's speech by doing this. The fact it is public (IDK if fully public) is exactly why they should be able to do it. If it was private.... Whatever. Again I don't think this is anti anything.

 

[Irish YJ]

Your first sentences are exactly why what they are doing is what we would expect from full exercise of the first amendment. They are not limiting anyone's speech by doing this. The fact it is public (IDK if fully public) is exactly why they should be able to do it. If it was private.... Whatever. Again I don't think this is anti anything.

I don't equate removing the symbol of the country you live in (that affords you first amendment rights) to exercising the first amendment.

UCI is fully public. Considered a public Ivy.