Stanford Recruiting and Everything Else

[Valpodoc85]

Shaw to USC?

 

[BobbyMac]

And just like that, Walter Rouse becomes the smartest guy in the room. For him, it came down to Stanford and ND, he chooses the Trees and (barring injury) becomes a 3yr starting LT and a Top 10 NFL draft pick.

Huh? If he was a lock to be a top 10 draft pick, he'd also be a multi-year starter at ND. Period. It's also quite strange to state that someone who has never played a college game is going to be a Top 10 draft pick barring injury.

I'm sure he would've been a multi-year starter at ND. It wouldn't have been this year even if Eichenberg went down like Little. He couldn't have walked on to campus at ND in June and beat out Lugg but he obviously could/did at Stanford.

The other part of being a multi year starter at Stanford vs ND in his case:

Stanford = Starting LT as a true Fr w/o EEing, So & Jr then off to the league. Little's not coming back, he doesn't need to.

ND = Comes in and redshirts in '19.

In '20, competes with whoever is left between Eichenberg & Hainsey + Lugg, then Q Carroll and Tosh Baker (who will end up redshirting). If Eich and Hainsey are both gone, he wins one of the OT spots and one of the other two go inside.

2021 = He has 6-8/325 RS Freshman Tosh Baker to deal with for LT. But both of them are starting.

In regards to him never playing a college game yet, he's played in both games so far and of course, started vs SC. But it wouldn't be weird for me to say someone's gonna be a Top 10 NFL pick before they played a college game. I said the exact thing about the guy he replaced, I've said it about Tosh Baker, hell, I said it about Trevor Lawrence before he ever played as a Soph in HS.

 

[IrishLax]

I'm sure he would've been a multi-year starter at ND. It wouldn't have been this year even if Eichenberg went down like Little. He couldn't have walked on to campus at ND in June and beat out Lugg but he obviously could/did at Stanford.

The other part of being a multi year starter at Stanford vs ND in his case:

Stanford = Starting LT as a true Fr w/o EEing, So & Jr then off to the league. Little's not coming back, he doesn't need to.

ND = Comes in and redshirts in '19.

In '20, competes with whoever is left between Eichenberg & Hainsey + Lugg, then Q Carroll and Tosh Baker (who will end up redshirting). If Eich and Hainsey are both gone, he wins one of the OT spots and one of the other two go inside.

2021 = He has 6-8/325 RS Freshman Tosh Baker to deal with for LT. But both of them are starting.

In regards to him never playing a college game yet, he's played in both games so far and of course, started vs SC. But it wouldn't be weird for me to say someone's gonna be a Top 10 NFL pick before they played a college game. I said the exact thing about the guy he replaced, I've said it about Tosh Baker, hell, I said it about Trevor Lawrence before he ever played as a Soph in HS.

I really cannot make heads or tails of the logic you're trying to present. You are correct that he has played two games so my bad on the over-exaggerating that.

Still, this muddles how a Stanley or McGlinchey level OT would obviously be tabbed a starter on this team without a second thought. There is no question that an OT with Top 10 pick talent would beat out any of the currently rostered players... that is flat out axiomatic. So the competition angle makes no sense whatsoever.

But all of this is sort of besides the point, which is that being a "tout" about how a kid who has proven nothing is a certain top 10 pick is pretty crazy. How about this? I'll bet you any amount of money you want that he is not a top 10 pick in the 2022 NFL draft and I'll give you 5-to-1 odds. Let me know what level you're comfortable betting at. I'll take any action from $1 to 5 beers at the next ND game to whatever you are willing to put in escrow for two years.

 

[BobbyMac]

I really cannot make heads or tails of the logic you're trying to present. You are correct that he has played two games so my bad on the over-exaggerating that.

Still, this muddles how a Stanley or McGlinchey level OT would obviously be tabbed a starter on this team without a second thought. There is no question that an OT with Top 10 pick talent would beat out any of the currently rostered players... that is flat out axiomatic. So the competition angle makes no sense whatsoever.

But all of this is sort of besides the point, which is that being a "tout" about how a kid who has proven nothing is a certain top 10 pick is pretty crazy. How about this? I'll bet you any amount of money you want that he is not a top 10 pick in the 2022 NFL draft and I'll give you 5-to-1 odds. Let me know what level you're comfortable betting at. I'll take any action from $1 to 5 beers at the next ND game to whatever you are willing to put in escrow for two years.

I don't know why you are introducing Stanley or McG to this or that they would start on this team??? Would either start as a true freshman? What I said about ND and Walter Rouse is that he wouldn't start for this team this year, nor would any other OT from the 2019 class for that matter. Are you saying that any kid who ends up a Top 10 pick at OT would've come into ND as a summer enrollee and beat out Eich & Hainsey this year? I don't think we are on the same wavelength here.

And if I'm a "tout", you're a chince. 5:1 odds on a Top 10 scenario call in 3 years??? Gee thanks Beav!

How about 25:1 he goes first 3 rounds when he comes out barring injury of course. That's still not good enough odds for a lowly 3*/#37 OT but maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there.

But either way, I'm not opening an escrow account.

 

[IrishLax]

I don't know why you are introducing Stanley or McG to this or that they would start on this team???

Because they are, obviously, recent examples of what Top 10 draft pick tackle play looks like.

And if I'm a "tout", you're a chince. 5:1 odds on a Top 10 scenario call in 3 years??? Gee thanks Beav!

How about 25:1 he goes first 3 rounds when he comes out barring injury of course. That's still not good enough odds for a lowly 3*/#37 OT but maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there.

But either way, I'm not opening an escrow account.

So let's get this straight... you stated as fact that he would be a Top 10 pick in the '22 draft. Not that he might be, or had a chance to be. That *barring injury* he would be a Top 10.

Then given 5-to-1 odds on that, you pivot to him being picked in the first three rounds and needing 25-to-1 on that. So which is it? Is he going to be a Top 10 pick, or does he have a less than 5% chance of being a Day 2 pick?

Either way, that's enough on this topic. It's not really important. I just didn't understand where you were coming from initially, and wanted to clarify. I think we're getting further away not closer.

 

[stpeteirish]

Costello hurt again. Could they lose to lowly Oregon St? Without Costello its possible, they're ground and pound is wheezing and Mills didn't do squat vs Nwtn the first time Costello was hurt.

 

[Big23Head]

I laughed when I saw this on the news last news. 1:30 mark

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[IrishLax]

I laughed when I saw this on the news last news. 1:30 mark

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LOL points for honesty...

 

[koonja]

LOL points for honesty...

LOLLLL.

My heisman.

 

[Legacy]

Stanford is teetering on the edge of no longer being a "power." They're a soft, poorly coached team now despite an offense littered with 5-stars. And many of those top rated players are a year or two from being gone.

In 2018 their class ranked 40th, 2019 it was 21st, and this year it's 27th. There is a very reasonable chance they finish with 5+ losses at which point they're one more mediocre season away from total irrelevance. Once they're more closely associated with 7-5 style seasons than competing for PAC12 championships their nationwide recruiting will dry up and that will do wonders for Notre Dame. This difference between Notre Dame classes being "good" and "elite" is basically a handful of players like Adebo.

I don't see that any of Stanford's commits had offers from ND, while we beat them for Tyree, Baker and Carmody. 247 does not list any OVs scheduled and the prospects for further recruits than these sixteen seems remote. RB E.J. Smith, OT Andrew Gentry, and DE Tuli Tuipulotu - all listed as "Warm" to Stanford - have not visited and seem destined to go elsewhere.
Stanford 2020 Football Commits

Their class may finish without any QB, RB, DE, LB, and S with two of the sixteen commits Special teamers. Tanner McKee, QB, however, will probably return from his mission. Averaging eighteen a year over the last three classes, this class not only needed to fill those needs but ideally should have been a class of twenty or more. Their final three conference games are Colorado, Wash St, and Cal, all with one conference win each. Losing one of those games and to ND would leave them with a 6-6 record. The Trees offense averages twenty-two ppg and the defense averages giving up twenty-eight ppg.

 

[Legacy]

Stanford in this last week has added two recruits - Casey Filkins, APB, ranked 12th at the position, and Levi Rogers, OG, 24th. They now have eighteen commits with 'Class of '18 commit, Tanner McKee, QB, expected to return from his mission.

With injuries and a poor OL recruiting in '18, three Freshmen OL are starting. For a team that usually develops players over their first years and historically plays a number of fifth year Seniors, this year is atypical with five freshmen starting.

The Class of 2020 adds four WRs to seven WRs returning next year including all on the two deep. Three CB recruits will add to four CBs from last year. Some of these will probably fill S needs.

As far as recruiting numbers, Stanford is typically close-mouthed about walkons who get scholarships, but there are two that I know of that are on the current roster and a total of seventy-nine schholarship players.

Seven players will run out of eligibility. Five fourth years who are buried on the depth chart will probably move on. Adebo will probably opt for the draft. That's thirteen, making sixty-six returning scholarship players without further attrition. The nineteen from the Class of 2020 makes eighty-five.

Three players from the '16 Class who have been injured for a good part of the year - Hattis (OT), Hamilton (OT) and K Toner who is out for the rest of the season - could graduate and move on. If both OLmen return, Stanford OL will be have a great deal of depth. I could see Harrington, TE (Class of '16), leaving. He has been second string behind Parkinson, who would return.

I don't know if any of the 2020 class may go on a mission.

Starters Costello, QB, and Antoine, S, are probably out for the WSU game. Freshman CB, Kyu Kelly, will probably start in place of Adebo. WSU is favored by ten points.

 

[IrishLax]

Stanford was obliterated by Washington State last night, giving up 49 to Leach & his boys. They currently sit at 4-6 and play a hungry Cal team in their rivalry game followed by ND to close the year.

 

[ThePiombino]

Stanford was obliterated by Washington State last night, giving up 49 to Leach & his boys. They currently sit at 4-6 and play a hungry Cal team in their rivalry game followed by ND to close the year.

This is their 2016 except it's more to do with the chickens finally coming home to roost than a bad hire or two. And they don't have much in the pipeline, sooooo...Stanford back to Earth? Yes please and thank you. Now ND go get them croots!

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[IrishSteelhead]

Stanford was obliterated by Washington State last night, giving up 49 to Leach & his boys. They currently sit at 4-6 and play a hungry Cal team in their rivalry game followed by ND to close the year.

So I guess the real question is, how do we screw this up?


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[SouthernIndianaNDFan]

This is their 2016 except it's more to do with the chickens finally coming home to roost than a bad hire or two. And they don't have much in the pipeline, sooooo...Stanford back to Earth? Yes please and thank you. Now ND go get them croots!

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This. Those guys we've lost to them would have put us over the top these last 5-10 years imo. A stranglehold on the "smart elite kids" would place ND firmly in the CFP race year in and year out. Hopefully they tailspin badly, and we blow them out at home by 4-5 TDs+.

 

[BobbyMac]

This. Those guys we've lost to them would have put us over the top these last 5-10 years imo. A stranglehold on the "smart elite kids" would place ND firmly in the CFP race year in and year out. Hopefully they tailspin badly, and we blow them out at home by 4-5 TDs+.

Kelly gets up 31-3 in the 3rd, sends Phil in to feed C'Bo 3 times up the middle behind back up OC Colin Grunhard. Kelly learned how to finish a game from one of the best...

 

[Legacy]

Stanford Rushing v WSU - 16 yds. Rushing Offense ranks 118th nationally.

Stanford Passing Def v WSU - 520 yds surrendered. Passing D ranks 114th nationally.

 

[irishff1014]

Stanford Rushing v WSU - 16 yds. Rushing Offense ranks 118th nationally.

Stanford Passing Def v WSU - 520 yds surrendered. Passing D ranks 114th nationally.

Another 4 tds for Claypool???

 

[Luckylucci]

Should be able to capitalize on this. After we whoop that ass in Palo Alto. BTW, I’ll be at that game. Boom!

 

[BobbyMac]

Should be able to capitalize on this. After we whoop that ass in Palo Alto. BTW, I’ll be at that game. Boom!

I'm 50/50 depending if a meeting on the table in Mountain View happens on the 2nd or 9th.

 

[stpeteirish]

Stanf leading rusher yesterday St Brown 1 carry for 8 yds. Passed for over 500 yds, only scored 22 points.

Total polar opposite of what they've been under Shaw.

Beat them like a drum, please.

 

[vuirish]

Kelly gets up 31-3 in the 3rd, sends Phil in to feed C'Bo 3 times up the middle behind back up OC Colin Grunhard. Kelly learned how to finish a game from one of the best...

I wish I could rep this post (and four corner reference) twice.

 

[Legacy]

Two other stats:

Stanford - Tackles for Loss Allowed - 6.30/gm, 63 in 10 games - 97th nationally

Sacks Allowed - 2.4/gm, 24 in 10 games - 95th nationally

Stanford has three OLmen that are Freshmen. Both Gs and the LT

 

[Luckylucci]

Would think our DL dominates this game like last year.

 

[KizerWilhelm]

Stanford DE Jovan Swann enters transfer portal https://247sports.com/Article/Stanford-football-Jovan-Swann-transfer-portal-139899174/

 

[Luckylucci]

That’s a lot of snaps to lose on the DL with Swan and Williams gone. They better hope the young guns don’t get injured or they could be screwed yet again.

 

[BobbyMac]

That’s a lot of snaps to lose on the DL with Swan and Williams gone. They better hope the young guns don’t get injured or they could be screwed yet again.

We finally get a GT that's a good fit and... we don't need him.

 

[Luckylucci]

We finally get a GT that's a good fit and... we don't need him.

Right! A productive starting DL that is a Stanford grad transfer from Indiana. Where was this when the 2014 or 2016 seasons were melting down.

 

[IrishFanJMercy]

I would make a run at Swann can never have enough depth up front

 

[PANDFAN]

I would make a run at Swann can never have enough depth up front

that's a good way to kill the chemistry and faith in the current players on the line.....we have depth and production returning