Stanford Postgame

[Blazers46]

I went to the game last night. It's pretty frustrating watching Stanford roll the pocket and also call slant routes to make things as simple as possible for their offense when ND could be doing the same god damn thing. I think they ran the same play rolling the QB and throwing an out route about 8 times.

Tommy is too smart for his own good. Needs to go to the NFL where he can have a roster of machines to execute his subtleties. His college football gameplans are way too inconsistent for a hodgepodge roster.

Except he could be the dumbest smartest guy in the room…

 

[IrishTusker]

Someone else will have to explain the game atmosphere issue to me. I have only been going to games since 2013 and can't compare the environment to the Holtz era or whatever.

Are ticket prices part of the issue? Changes in the student body? Jumbotron? I imagine that winning makes a difference, the program hasn't won at a high level since Holtz.

 

[Irish2155]

It’s almost like he fights himself. Just go get points man. Think too much.

 

[IrishinSyria]

I feel bad.
He truly made an outstanding play out of nothing. Spins his body back around, and boom, safety perfectly ready with a helmet on the ball.
It fucking sucks, sometimes defenders truly make great plays, and that was one

Feels like the problem is spinning in the middle of the field on first down?

 

[IrishTusker]

I feel bad.
He truly made an outstanding play out of nothing. Spins his body back around, and boom, safety perfectly ready with a helmet on the ball.
It fucking sucks, sometimes defenders truly make great plays, and that was one

It was a bummer but the game should have been over at that point.

 

[BilboBaggins]

Had friends visit from Greenville SC and they talked about the crazy Clemson fans and the atmosphere at the stadium. He’s from South Africa and had never been to a college game before moving to Clemson. I told him we were moving to South Bend and he said he he hopes to watch a game with me there… my first thought was to cringe a little. I’ve been to college games all over the country. ND stadium might be a destination in of itself but the game atmosphere isn’t.

Yeah I thought the game atmosphere sucked. But to be fair I thought the pop music that ND was playing was pretty horrific too.

I was surprised to see people openly carrying beers and liquor around campus and off-campus. Is Indiana an open carry state? Does ND not care? I was blown away honestly. If you did that shit at OSU you'd get a ticket or arrested pretty quickly.

 

[Irish2155]

Yeah I thought the game atmosphere sucked. But to be fair I thought the pop music that ND was playing was pretty horrific too.

I was surprised to see people openly carrying beers and liquor around campus and off-campus. Is Indiana an open carry state? Does ND not care? I was blown away honestly. If you did that shit at OSU you'd get a ticket or arrested pretty quickly.

Louisville too. I can confirm. This happy ass was escorted right out to the bar across the street

 

[Bluto]

I went to the game last night. It's pretty frustrating watching Stanford roll the pocket and also call slant routes to make things as simple as possible for their offense when ND could be doing the same god damn thing. I think they ran the same play rolling the QB and throwing an out route about 8 times.

Tommy is too smart for his own good. Needs to go to the NFL where he can have a roster of machines to execute his subtleties. His college football gameplans are way too inconsistent for a hodgepodge roster.

Yeah, seems like he’s trying to form a killer progressive rock band when he has Joey, Johnny, Dee Dee and Tommy to work with.

 

[stpeteirish]

I’ll say this and that’s it…. I have no earthly rationale as to why we didn’t run the ball 70 times against their pathetically small d line.

Because they put eight in the box

 

[NDFAN2008]

No issues with the pop music or whatever. The stadium needs more of that. No one cares what students are doing in the classroom on the Jumbotron need more excitement to pump the crowd up

 

[stlnd01]

Yeah I thought the game atmosphere sucked. But to be fair I thought the pop music that ND was playing was pretty horrific too.

I was surprised to see people openly carrying beers and liquor around campus and off-campus. Is Indiana an open carry state? Does ND not care? I was blown away honestly. If you did that shit at OSU you'd get a ticket or arrested pretty quickly.

It has been a few years since I’ve been to a home game so maybe rules have changed, but as I recall drinking was pretty wide open in parking lots and around the fringes of campus with reasonable discretion, but you are not allowed to carry open containers in the central parts of ND’s campus and they station people at some of the main entrances to make that clear.

 

[stpeteirish]

Marcus Fucking Weis, I mean Freeman.

I’ve seen this story.

You misspelled Faust

 

[stpeteirish]

The outside receiver was lined up on the line of scrimmage. The tight end, inside of him, was therefore ineligible. I would bet the WR was supposed to be back off the line.

No they showed Evans getting chewed out on the bench after the play so it was probably him who lined up wrong .

 

[Bluto]

Because they put eight in the box

They basically did exactly what Okie State did in the second half of the Fiesta. Press coverage, sell out against the run, crash the edges.

From what I understand Syracuse has a pretty good defense. I’d be surprised if ND put up more than 21 against them based on what we saw yesterday.

 

[irishandy]

Postgame Thoughts:
1) When does Freeman consider making a OC change and who is on his shortlist?
2) We've lost against Ohio St. and Marshall twice.
3) Home not so sweet home, ND has no luck at ND stadium this year.
4) If you take away Mayer and our running game from the offense you beat this team.
5) 0 points in the first half, under 100 total yards in the first half, and 3/12 on 3rd downs for the game is a hard hole to dig yourself out of.
6) Jayden Thomas first career TD last week, Merriweather yesterday, Colzie next week??
7) I see us losing to Clemson, USC, and Syracuse; ND could finish under 500 the way we've been playing.
8) After the game last night I came home to watch the end of the Utah-USC game and Utah's stadium was loud, even the announcers were saying that USC false start was due to the crowd noise. I feel like I am at a dance club at ND.
9) My only hope is that ND can hang onto the recruiting class.
10) Let's remember Lou Holtz went 5-6 in his first season.

Go Irish!

 

[FDNYIrish1]

You have a track star and a freshmen who blew the top off the defense in his 2 plays on the field. There is enough talent at WR on this team to take some deep shots. Soften the defense, draw a penalty, fight for 50/50 ball, whatever. Pyne has some of that Book hesitation in him. Wtf do you have to lose?

 

[BilboBaggins]

If I had a vote for a jumbotron 3rd down song it'd be the intro to Wake Up by Arcade Fire. That low tone of the guitar would sound 10/10 on the sound system, and vocal crowd chorus would be way better than The White Stripes' Seven Nation Army.

There's potential theme tie in with "Wake Up **The Echoes**". Get Swarbrick on the phone I have the solution for this program.

 

[irishandy]

If I had a vote for a jumbotron 3rd down song it'd be the intro to Wake Up by Arcade Fire. That low tone of the guitar and vocal crowd chorus would be way better than The White Stripes' Seven Nation Army.

I didn't hear 7 Nation Army yesterday...hell bring back Ozzy's crazy train!

 

[FOTY977]

I didn't hear 7 Nation Army yesterday...hell bring back Ozzy's crazy train!

“Mental wounds not healing” accurately describes the state of the team and fan base right now.

 

[BilboBaggins]

I didn't hear 7 Nation Army yesterday...hell bring back Ozzy's crazy train!

I heard it one time from the band I think. That song is so overdone. I love The White Stripes but jesus god let's do something unique.

 

[ThePiombino]

It was Tyree's mistake. He lined up wrong and covered Mitch.

The # of mistakes and overall lack of execution from upper classmen is truly staggering.

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[Bluto]

1. Stop fielding soft as dookie teams. Don’t coach gameplans worse than high school teams.
2. New announcer
3. Stop turning every break into a faculty plug. Stop all the academic / religious shit period.
4. Mic up the fucking band to be as loud as the stupid “here comes the boom” speakers on the video board. Bring them back up into the stands. Make them a force as annoying as USC’s shit band.
5. Get a new DJ.
6. Stop with the cringe ND student media reporters with nasally voices interacting with fans
7. Stop with the Sweet Caroline Living on a Prayer Here Comes the Boom 3rd down Don’t Be Afraid Annabelle bullshit
8. Never do that stupid light show ever again
9. Stop showing clips of Notre Dame’s greatness from the B.C.E. era until we win another effing championship.
10. Don’t lecture the fans about cheering louder. Lecture the players and coaches to play with some damn intensity.

All this might make ND more of a hot ticket for people who are actually passionate about football, instead of fans who like the gear and Dan Devine.

Skip all that and have the intro of Angel of Death by Slayer as the 3rd down song. Then give some of the local heshers free game tickets and sideline passes to get the pit started.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Didn't get to watch live (all day meeting.) Just now watched first quarter seeing something different from what I'd read.
I'll not criticize the Defense, as although the first Stanford drive was hurtful, D stopped them with only 9 points thereafter.
So, to the first quarter offense.

I was surprised (after the negative words on IE) that our actual three first quarter drives don't show bad play by either drew Pyne, nor in general the OLine, nor even the play-calling. As follows:

Drive One: This drive was stopped quickly and simply by (of all people,) Patterson. He starts us off with a motion penalty and then gets his communication with Zeke Correll wrong so that he's standing there blocking no one while Zeke blocks the guy who should be his, and the guy Zeke should be blocking is unabated to Pyne/RB straight up the middle. The other three OLine are blocking their three guys just fine. We are now seriously behind the sticks and have to punt.

Drive Two: Play one has no one in the receiving corps getting open, despite the OLine giving time, and Pyne makes the correct choice of a throwaway. Another play has Stanford OVERTLY loading 8 in the box vs only 6 ND blockers. ALL blockers do OK. Play is still stuffed by the extra guys. (ideally there should be a passing checkoff here.) Drive ending play has the OLine working fine, and Pyne surveying the field looking at Mayer. Mayer seems to run his route lazier than usual, counting on just shedding the defender off him without worrying about separation. Mayer however hesitates just after he shrugs off the DB and Pyne doesn't expect the quit-route, and puts the ball perfectly where Mayer should be. Incomplete and we punt.

Drive Three: really weirdass sequence of things. Really BS holding call on Mayer. Then TE and Flanked WR both on line-of-scrimmage to bring back a TD to Mayer. Pyne hits WR in the hands for a score except the guy bungles it terribly by not even getting his second hand up (which was not impeded by DB.) Pyne misses a pass --- in my opinion the only one to criticize about in the 1st quarter. The fourth down play is stopped by a great edge contain which Mayer could not dominate, and insufficient athleticism by the WR sweeping to hurdle Mayer's legs which would have allowed the timing to still work. There was also earlier an overt 9 in the box vs ND at one point when we had 3 TEs in. Two of the TEs don't help the line of scrimmage, but also, while Lugg and Fisher do their jobs, some strange pulling cross-blocking get Correll and the other two lineman tangled up to the point that Alt even gets pushed down (by Correll I think --- play was a design mess.) <--- that didn't look like OLine incompetence, but rather a screwy play design vs a defense emphasizing speed and edge slashing rather than power stuffing.

IN THE FIRST QUARTER ONLY the offense's on field problems were not Pyne's nor generally Rees' from what I see on tape --- sure there were a couple of plays were Drew should have had a check-off to a pass or an option, and those could have been mental errors by Drew on field or Tommy on planning. There were a LOT of good calls which worked or should have worked. The OLine played well except for three plays all involving Patterson, but one probably caused by design rather than execution (Correll looked clumsy to me on that one). TEs caused most of the trouble (blocking, Mayer's faux-hold and his hesitation route) and the WRs were their usual incompetent crew (dropped TD, essentially never open, poor sweep run.) Whether the young TE or the flanked WR was the guilty party on the TD call-back play is not known by me. Had the TE stepped one pace back, he would have nearly touching Mayer(?) as twins in that location, something I haven't seen in the slot. (so maybe it was the WR.)

Anyway, the 1st quarter drives tell a slightly different story from most of the IE commentary I've glanced at. Doubtless the later 3 quarters will get more in line with IE sentiments. If I watch them, I'll comment again FWIW.

 

[ThePiombino]

Because they put eight in the box

And yet we averaged 4.4 ypc...

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[arahop]

Agreed—the university is an extractive regime that is slurping from the cash cow instead of reinvesting and viewing football as the growth engine. The admin and co foresee football in general losing relevance in the long run as evidenced by declining attendance across the sport due to CTE, professionalism, increasing popularity of other sports/esports in the next generation. They are putting in just enough capex/opex to keep the milk flowing, but have no interest in tying the university’s fortunes to the sport for the long haul and use the “holier than thou” excuse of “standards” to keep the masses placated and from asking too many questions as to why they refuse to change anything beyond incremental upkeep.

No point getting your hopes up for a championship until that changes, and quite frankly I am not convinced it ever will.

Just look at what Tennessee put together last night. ND is SO far from there it’s not even worth comparing.

Great post. They have been in maintenance mode since 1996

 

[Dale]

Pyne targeted a WR 13 times. It’s actually 14 due to the Thomas PI call, I don’t recall any other PI calls. 6 were caught.

So that’s 7 incompletions to WRs. I’d be curious how many Pyne even gave the WR a chance.

Styles had the short pass drop, slightly overthrown made it awkward and then the deep throw he had a chance, but it was thrown way too late, possible TD. Thomas had the last play of the game. Merriweather overthrown on possible TD. Lenzy overthrown on possible TD.

In a game which the OL gave him time for the most part, they devoted 2 - 3 guys to Mayer and he’s seen his WRs make plays in prior weeks, Pyne exhibited far too little trust in his WRs. Being scared to make a mistake, IS the mistake. And if you’re only gonna throw when they are wide open, you can’t miss. Like at all.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

Because they put eight in the box

Our RBs outweighed their DEs. Our OL had at least a 50 lb advantage to any interior line man. Put a TE on the 8th man in the box and run it down their throats. Wear em out. They were the 111th ranked rushing Defense. 8or 9 men in the box doesn’t matter with that level of ineptitude.

 

[Grahambo]

Pyne targeted a WR 13 times. It’s actually 14 due to the Thomas PI call, I don’t recall any other PI calls. 6 were caught.

So that’s 7 incompletions to WRs. I’d be curious how many Pyne even gave the WR a chance.

Styles had the short pass drop, slightly overthrown made it awkward and then the deep throw he had a chance, but it was thrown way too late, possible TD. Thomas had the last play of the game. Merriweather overthrown on possible TD. Lenzy overthrown on possible TD.

In a game which the OL gave him time for the most part, they devoted 2 - 3 guys to Mayer and he’s seen his WRs make plays in prior weeks, Pyne exhibited far too little trust in his WRs. Being scared to make a mistake, IS the mistake. And if you’re only gonna throw when they are wide open, you can’t miss. Like at all.

You hear constantly how QBs have to have anticipation when they throw. If you wait until the WR is open, it’s too late. There was one replay where it was behind Pyne and you can see the route being run (probably Mayer) and Pyne stares him down the whole time, waits until his head is turned then throws.

 

[Cackalacky2.0]

 

[MTLIrish]

I went to the game last night. It's pretty frustrating watching Stanford roll the pocket and also call slant routes to make things as simple as possible for their offense when ND could be doing the same god damn thing. I think they ran the same play rolling the QB and throwing an out route about 8 times.

Tommy is too smart for his own good. Needs to go to the NFL where he can have a roster of machines to execute his subtleties. His college football gameplans are way too inconsistent for a hodgepodge roster.

Don’t forget the shovel pass they ran another 6 times