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Does anyone know who produces or calculates the SOS after each week? I'm getting into a huge argument with a friend who says Bama and every other SEC team has a way harder schedule.
 
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Just bring up the FCS teams. I have no idea how they can defend that aside from circular reasoning.
 
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Your friend is obviously an idiot. I'd just get a new friend. Will be much easier than convincing this guy, no matter how much evidence you show him.
 
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AFAIK, each of the BCS computer rankings includes an SoS component. Sagarin's the most accessible, but you may be able to find some others with some digging. Wish there was a place one could easily access the composite computer rankings each week.

FEI also includes an SoS ranking, and it's extra helpful in that it ranks Previous SoS and Future SoS. It hasn't been updated with yesterday's games yet, but as of last week, ND's SoS was ranked 30th, and 'Bama's was ranked 45th. That disparity has undoubtedly widened after 'Bama's game against Western Carolina.
 
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Besides ND, what other FBS school has never played against a D2 (FCS?) school?
 
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Me2SouthBend said:
Besides ND, what other FBS school has never played against a D2 (FCS?) school?
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USC, UCLA and UW.

Regarding the BCS computer rankings, links to all of them can be found here.

Sagarin ranks 'Bama's SoS at 30th and ND's at 33rd;
Anderson and Hester ranks them 16th and 32nd;
Billingsley doesn't list an SoS ranking;
Colley Matrix ranks them 12th and 26th;
Massey ranks them 8th and 23rd; and
Wolfe doesn't list an SoS ranking.

Point being, there is no argument that 'Bama's schedule is much harder than ND's. And when you take into account that ND doesn't schedule cupcakes before their big games, 'Bama fans has no ground to argue SoS against us.
 
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ND, USC, UCLA and Washinton if I remember correctly.
 
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I would also ask them this. If the SEC is the greatest conference (which can't be proved because they only play cupcakes and themselves) than why did the new kids on the block beat their supposed best team the fist year in?
 
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kuehnja said:
Does anyone know who produces or calculates the SOS after each week? I'm getting into a huge argument with a friend who says Bama and every other SEC team has a way harder schedule.
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Whiskeyjack gave you the list the BCS uses.

The NCAA compiles a weekly list based upon opponents. You can see it by FBS only or FBS and FCS combined. You can find it here:

Toughest Schedules

Some compute it by taking the record of your opponents plus the record of their opponents.

Phil Steele puts one out preseason and updates it post season to reflect actual results.



There are a lot of different ways to spin SOS. Using Sagarin one is #30 and the other #33 but the actual number is also the same. Using the NCAA ND is #21 but Bama drops way down to #82.

One trap SEC fans lay is including the SEC Championship Game in their SOS claims. Any championship game is post season thus not part of the regular season. Tell your friend you'll compare teams based on the regular 12 game season everybody plays.

The SEC (Roy Kramer) set up divisions and conference championship games to get a late season boost over other teams in the country specifically those that don't have a post season game. Kramer watered down the regular season schedule by minimizing how often the top teams in the conference face each other and then filled in the schedule with Div 1aa teams and directional schools. The goal was to hopefully get two teams, one from each conference division to end up undefeated when they met in the CCG. The winner slingshots into the NCG with a boost after the season ended.

That, 30-35 scholarships a year, and a secret ballot have served the SEC well for the past 6 years.
 
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BGIF said:
Whiskeyjack gave you the list the BCS uses.

The NCAA compiles a weekly list based upon opponents. You can see it by FBS only or FBS and FCS combined. You can find it here:

Toughest Schedules

Some compute it by taking the record of your opponents plus the record of their opponents.

Phil Steele puts one out preseason and updates it post season to reflect actual results.



There are a lot of different ways to spin SOS. Using Sagarin one is #30 and the other #33 but the actual number is also the same. Using the NCAA ND is #21 but Bama drops way down to #82.

One trap SEC fans lay is including the SEC Championship Game in their SOS claims. Any championship game is post season thus not part of the regular season. Tell your friend you'll compare teams based on the regular 12 game season everybody plays.

The SEC (Roy Kramer) set up divisions and conference championship games to get a late season boost over other teams in the country specifically those that don't have a post season game. Kramer watered down the regular season schedule by minimizing how often the top teams in the conference face each other and then filled in the schedule with Div 1aa teams and directional schools. The goal was to hopefully get two teams, one from each conference division to end up undefeated when they met in the CCG. The winner slingshots into the NCG with a boost after the season ended.

That, 30-35 scholarships a year, and a secret ballot have served the SEC well for the past 6 years.
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Imagine if there was no worry for ND this year or any other about scholarship limits and trying to squeeze in the guys they were targeting. Bringing in 110-115 in 4 years would allow exactly that. The $EC is $hameless. Go Irish. Love thee Irish.
 
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kuehnja said:
Does anyone know who produces or calculates the SOS after each week? I'm getting into a huge argument with a friend who says Bama and every other SEC team has a way harder schedule.
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Click on the Pat Forde link that came up today. He puts the Sagarin stats together comparing ND with Bama and Georgia. Much closer to reality than SEC fans chirp on about.
 
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All of this is academic in a little over a month. That's why it's great that ND is playing the SEC champ. No BS. There is no escape from it. No circular logic, no what ifs. ND handles Alabama/Georgia there is nothing for anyone to say. After the USC game I was driving home from work and the topic on ESPN radio was "Why do you hate ND?" I just switched to music. I'm tried of the BS and the phony arguments. It'll be settled on the field.
 
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Oh, and this too

@slmandel: Notre Dame finished the season beating 9 bowl-eligible teams. By comparison, Alabama: 5. Georgia: 4

Could be 10 if Pitt wins this weekend.
 
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WaveDomer said:
All of this is academic in a little over a month. That's why it's great that ND is playing the SEC champ. No BS. There is no escape from it. No circular logic, no what ifs. ND handles Alabama/Georgia there is nothing for anyone to say. After the USC game I was driving home from work and the topic on ESPN radio was "Why do you hate ND?" I just switched to music. I'm tried of the BS and the phony arguments. It'll be settled on the field.
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Its not that simple. If Georgia beats Alabama by a "miracle" then we will not have played the SECs best. If by some miracle we beat Bama, it'll be because BS Refs. Trust me, it will not be that easy. Haters are ALWAYS going to hate, regardless of facts.
 
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Its not that simple. If Georgia beats Alabama by a "miracle" then we will not have played the SECs best. If by some miracle we beat Bama, it'll be because BS Refs. Trust me, it will not be that easy. Haters are ALWAYS going to hate, regardless of facts.
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True. There is always a certain percentage of people who think Elvis is still alive. I try not to concern myself with those people. All rational people will be convinced. But you are right, there will still be the goons out there.
 
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WaveDomer said:
All of this is academic in a little over a month. That's why it's great that ND is playing the SEC champ. No BS. There is no escape from it. No circular logic, no what ifs. ND handles Alabama/Georgia there is nothing for anyone to say. After the USC game I was driving home from work and the topic on ESPN radio was "Why do you hate ND?" I just switched to music. I'm tried of the BS and the phony arguments. It'll be settled on the field.
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You don't know any SEC fans, do you?

"IF Bama hadn't gotten that bogus Interference call in the Dome, Jawja would have wun and whipped yer butts by 3 TDs. We was robbed of victory twice!"

AllGator will be posting clips of 2008 High School recruiting videos proving UF's recruits were vastly superior to ND's.

Kentucky and Mississippi fans will still be posting, "SEC RULES!"

Bama fans (CtrlAltDlt) are still whinning about 1964, 1977, etc.

"Everyone knows the media loves Notre Dame, Mark May even wears a Leprechaun suit!"


After ND wins the NC expect a book shortly thereafter, "The Missing Ring II"
 
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I heard a good one today. I have mentioned that Florida is pretty good and played as tough a schedule as anybody, especially in the SEC. SEC homer today says even if you beat Bama or Georgia you still didnt beat Florida or LSU. WtH?
 
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BGIF said:
You don't know any SEC fans, do you?

"IF Bama hadn't gotten that bogus Interference call in the Dome, Jawja would have wun and whipped yer butts by 3 TDs. We was robbed of victory twice!"

AllGator will be posting clips of 2008 High School recruiting videos proving UF's recruits were vastly superior to ND's.

Kentucky and Mississippi fans will still be posting, "SEC RULES!"

Bama fans (CtrlAltDlt) are still whinning about 1964, 1977, etc.

"Everyone knows the media loves Notre Dame, Mark May even wears a Leprechaun suit!"


After ND wins the NC expect a book shortly thereafter, "The Missing Ring II"
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Yeah I do know plenty of SEC fans. But I don't care about the fringe. If ND goes in and beats Bama or Georgia, the only people crying about it will be the fringe. Like I said, there is always a percentage of people who think Elvis is alive. The fringe. CtrlAltDlt is a good example of the fringe. Who cares what they think? It's like Stephen King worrying about what some crank Amazon user is rating his novel.

I will repeat for you what I told my brother one time, a Duke grad. He was complaining about message board people talking about Duke getting calls etc etc. "F%&$ 'em, go hang another banner."
 
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