Should Weis Be Fired?

Should Weis Be Fired?

  • Fire Weis.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Keep Weis.

    Votes: 58 87.9%
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    Votes: 8 12.1%

  • Total voters
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IrishAddiction

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Figured i would start a poll. I am one to say no as of now, he called a good game against Michigan IMO. Anyways, here it is, hopefully it works its the first time i have made thread with a poll in it.....
 

NeuteredDoomer

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My pole left a thread.

It was squishy and smelly.

But I digress.

I think Weis is keepable under current standards. For what it's worth, I actually respect the guy and his coaching.

This comes from a reindeer.
 

IrishAddiction

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I just figured i would make one involving the michigan game, so ppl can make other ones and change their opinions as the season progresses if they want.

And as for the reindeer comment..... yea i agree w/ that.
 

AlumniHall98

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Figured i would start a poll. I am one to say no as of now, he called a good game against Michigan IMO. Anyways, here it is, hopefully it works its the first time i have made thread with a poll in it.....

too many down sides to firing him right NOW, but, make no mistake - if this team does not win 10 or more games the rest of the way, and does not make it to, and WIN, a top notch bowl game, he needs to go......period.
 

jonesman

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Keep. We are two freakin' games into the season. He lost the game by a last second play. UM caught every break imaginable. If these two teams played again this season, we win. They have no answer for our O, but we will get better as a D. Plus, we would get Big East officials.
 

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I have serious doubts about his coaching and motivating abilities, but at this point, starting over doesn't sound very fun. We all just keep hoping he can get it together already.
 
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Its way too early for this kind of talk. Lets wait and see what our Irish do the rest of the way.Once the season ends, we can discuss this all we want. I don't think questioning whether he should be fired helps things, especially right now. Just my opinion. Go Irish!
 

TDHeysus

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as of right now...Keep him. its not even close.

I find that I cannot even type about this subject without getting worked up. This subject cuts deep with me, deeper than most are willing to admit. I look at it like this, if you are Domer and want Weis fired, in my eyes you are no different than all the USC ppl that want him fired.

Weis has done more for football at this univesity than anyone since 1995. Fact.
 

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rarely do teams go undefeated, even the "elite" teams, florida got beat by an ok Ole Miss team, and Oklahoma had one loss and every other BCS school had a loss too, the only undefeated was Utah.

so teams, even the great ones get beat, not saying this team is great. but every team has its flaws, and trip ups. its how they respond give them a couple more weeks at least til USC.

and i think Weis will surprise many with his coaching.
 

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Honestly my personal belief is that we need someone who is going to do the best to improve our program,get it back to the top of the BCS,and keep it there. There should always be healthy discussion over this,no matter how good or bad we're doing.

I think Charlie should stay.We are moving in the right direction and I feel we'll be at the top of the mountain next year if we can keep our outstanding offense.
 

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we seen what Weis could do in '05 with a veteran team. it may not have been elite but he did a good job. so once he is able to constantly have the elite talent with good experience i think he will be good but we are just now getting the experience with "his" players. i think we will be just fine once he fine tunes a few things
 

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as of right now...Keep him. its not even close.

I find that I cannot even type about this subject without getting worked up. This subject cuts deep with me, deeper than most are willing to admit. I look at it like this, if you are Domer and want Weis fired, in my eyes you are no different than all the USC ppl that want him fired.

Weis has done more for football at this univesity than anyone since 1995. Fact.


Couldn't of said it better myself. 110% AGREED
 

Dacian_Irish

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Let's have this conversation after the season. This is kind of irrelevent without additional data at this point!

So are we gonna ask this question after every game we lose?
 

phgreek

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Figured i would start a poll. I am one to say no as of now, he called a good game against Michigan IMO. Anyways, here it is, hopefully it works its the first time i have made thread with a poll in it.....

Keep...I get angry at him because I think he screws up too often in game, and his teams have some discipline/execution lapses...but he recruits like a stud, he loves the school, and as painful as it is to watch happen...he is growing (now...you fat joke guys...just leave it) and so is the program. To add perspective to my own whining...after the '07 game at the Big House, I prayed for a time when we'd compete...we do...but the greedy bastard that I am, now I want to win.
 

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It Depends

It Depends

It is too early to say and the refs screwed CW. I think his coaching and especially that of Tenutu felt 3rd tier and probably makes Reynolds feel good about his billboard. We have a legit top 10 offense we just need to keep mixing it up. I would need to know the list of realistic replacements before I would jump on the dump CW bus. With that said IT would be tought to keep back the dogs if we don't win 9 games and a bowl game.
 

NeuteredDoomer

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Why did you capitiize IT?

I'm thinking CW stays as long as he wants. ND would not fire their son. Coach CDub is good. Not great yet, but good.
 

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I think Charlie Weis can be a great coach. My question is will he be a great coach at Notre Dame. I hope so because i love Notre Dame and want to see them win the right way.

I would not be surprised to see weis pull a bellichick and win at his second stop
 

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I would not be surprised to see weis pull a bellichick and win at his second stop

Do you think he would actually take another head coaching job? I think he would go back to coordinating a pro offense somewhere if anything. I could also see him just retiring; He looks spent.
 

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as of right now...Keep him. its not even close.

I find that I cannot even type about this subject without getting worked up. This subject cuts deep with me, deeper than most are willing to admit. I look at it like this, if you are Domer and want Weis fired, in my eyes you are no different than all the USC ppl that want him fired.

Weis has done more for football at this univesity than anyone since 1995. Fact.


Holtz was 9-3 in '96 knocking off #6 Texas and destroying #16 Washington sandwiched around a 13 point loss to #4 OSU. The other losses were both in OT. ND scored 401 points, allowed only 181, and threw 2 shutouts.
 

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Do you think he would actually take another head coaching job? I think he would go back to coordinating a pro offense somewhere if anything. I could also see him just retiring; He looks spent.

Yeah eventually i can see him getting a second shot as a head coach. he probably looks spent because of the fanbase. Holtz and Parsegian said that Notre Dame is a 10 year job. Its just too much to deal with. People wanted Holtz fired. The Job comes with alot of baggage
 

NeuteredDoomer

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Ara hasn't coached since he left.

I hope Dub gets a chance to finish on his own terms.
 

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I'm thinking CW stays as long as he wants. ND would not fire their son. ...

Rockne, Class of 1914, had put the University of Notre Dame on the map both as a student athlete and as a coach. As a player the teams he played with went 24-1-3 for a .910 winning percentage and he was chosen a 3rd Team All-American. He became an assistant coach for Harper in 1915 and became Head Coach in 1918. As Head Coach he won 6 National Championships, had 5 undefeated, untied seasons. His 105 career ND wins is still the school record. His Winning Percentage of .881 (105-12-5) is still the best in college football. During his 11 years there were frequent clashes with the Administration which intensified through the years. ND was trying to figure out how to fire Rockne and save face when Rock's plane went down and saved ND an awkward situation.

Hunk Anderson, Class of '22, played for Rockne for 4 years and was an All-American. Anderson was an assistant coach under Rockne and was hired to replace him. After Rockne's death ND slashed football scholarships and imposed additional academic restrictions. Anderson learned he was out of a job after 3 seasons when a reporter told him ND had hired Elmer Layden and asked what he thought of him as ND's new head coach.

Elmer Layden, Class of 1924, was one of Rockne's Four Horsemen. Layden coached at Dubuque and Duquesne before coming home to "save" ND after the "resignation" of Hunk Anderson. Layden coached 7 seasons at ND with a .770 winning percentage having two - 1 loss seasons. In 1936 his Irish were ranked #8. They finished # 9 in 1937, #5 (his best)in 1938, and #13 in 1939. In 1940 ND got got a new University President, Fr Hugh O'Donnell, the starting center for the 1915 Irish. His line coach was Rockne. There was disillusionment with Layden. He was more successful than Anderson but not close to the success of Rockne. ND was unranked in 1940, Layden's last season. Two months later he resigned to become President of the NFL.

Frank Leahy, Class of '31 played for Rockne. Leahy had 6 Undefeated Seasons, 5 National Championships, and a 39 game unbeaten streak. Leahy's Winning Percenage of .864 is second behind only Rockne on the All-Time List. When he asked ND for a doctor mandated leave of absence for health reasons after the '53 season, ND refused. ND didn't "fire" him. They would have allowed him to die on the job. He resigned with two years remaining on his ND contract. Leahy was 45 years old.

Terry Brennan, Class of 1949, was a starting halfback during the Glory Day following WWII. Lead the team in receiving and scoring in '46 and '47. The 4 teams he played on were 33-2-2 and finished the seasons ranked #9, #1, #1, and #2. He became a successful HS coach after graduation then returned to ND in 1953 as the freshman football coach. After 1 season as the freshman coach, Brennan at age 25 was hired as ND's Head Football Coach after the University forced Leahy into "retirement". ND once again cut football scholarships and imposed additional academic restrictions. Despite the lack of college coaching experience Brennan was 32-18 in 5 seasons finishing #4 in '54 and #9 in '55. His later years suffered from the scholarship restrictions. His signature win was the 7-0 win over Oklahoma in 1957 ending their 47 game winning streak.

Joe Kuharich was born in South Bend, played for Elmer Layden at ND in '35, '36, and '37. Kuharich had coaching experience in HS, college, and the NFL where he was Coach of the Year in 1955. He was Head Coach of the NFL Washington Redskins when UND asked him to come home. The scholarship restrictions imposed under Brennan continued. Kuharich brought "pro" football schemes to ND. He emphasized passing, passing, and more passing. There were questions if the student athletes had the time learn the pro game and accusations that there "fundamentals" suffered. Kuharich it was said was use to pro players who already excelled at the fundamentals. Kuharich's first team had 12 returning lettermen they went 5-5. He would have two more 5-5 seasons along with a pair of 2 win seasons. Kuharich left ND in March, 1963 to become the NFL's head of officials. How's that for a career move? A former NFL Head Coach of the Year leaves ND to become head of the referees. He was considered a superb recruiter and left a lot of talent which would mature in Ara Parshegian's first year in 1964.

Hugh Devore, Class of 1934, was also an ND Man havng played for Anderson in 1935 - 1937 and serving as co-captain of the '37 team. He was Head Football Coach at Providence from 1938 to 1941. In 1943 he returned to ND under Leahy. He was interim head coach in 1945 while Leahy was in the Navy. He was head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles in 1956-57. He returned to ND in 1959 along with Joe Kuharich. When Kuharich left in March 1963 the Adminstration did not feel there was adequate time to hire a new coach before the '63 season Devore once again became Interim Head Coach. The '63 teams had extensive injuries at QB as Budka was hampered by the effects of a broken leg and Huarte had an ankle problem throughout the season. ND had less than 2000 yards of Total Offense for the season. Devore was was not asked back.


"ND would not fire their son."

ND history doesn't agree with that.

One died before he could be fired. One "resigned" after being denied a medical necessity leave of absence. Two were fired shabbily. Two "left"to take jobs as NFL administrators. One was not asked back - twice.


There was another "ND Man" although not technically "a son", as he never matriculated there, that was squeezed out as Head Coach in 1996 after winning 1 National Championship and becoming only the second coach in ND's history to win 100 games.
 
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