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I loved it. Kinda late to be making a thread about it though, eh? lol
I wish we would have had this thread during the actual season. Maybe season 2?
I think his buddy, Jay is hiding something. Not saying he is the killer and Adnan is innocent. But Jay for some reason seems to be the person that just doesn't jive. Either he helped kill her, or he did it on his own.
I wish we would have had this thread during the actual season. Maybe season 2?
I think his buddy, Jay is hiding something. Not saying he is the killer and Adnan is innocent. But Jay for some reason seems to be the person that just doesn't jive. Either he helped kill her, or he did it on his own.
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Yeah I got in late on it and just finished it today.
Is there anyway that a third party did it, jay and adnan are complicit in it and are protecting/afraid of the third party?
I'm far from convinced that he didn't have something to do with it but I have a shit load of reasonable doubt that he did it
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Is there anyway that a third party did it, jay and adnan are complicit in it and are protecting/afraid of the third party?
I'm far from convinced that he didn't have something to do with it but I have a shit load of reasonable doubt that he did it
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Hell... if his lawyer wouldn't have screwed up, the post interview after the initial mistrial, showed that they probably wouldn't have convicted Adnan in the first trial.
I thought a 3rd party at one point too, but why wouldn't Adnan just say something now? It's been 15 years and what could they have possibly been in involved in that serious at 17?
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Interesting.
Adnan did really make a 180 once the podcast got popular too. At first, he wanted to do everything in his power to help the Serial folks. But then out of nowhere, right at the shows peak, he tells her that he can't emotionally deal with it anymore?
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Not only that but he makes a real push to distance himself from influencing her at all. He writes a letter to tell her that in no way should she take his personality into account and then later tells her not to take a stand on his innocence/guilt.
It's such an interesting case on some many fronts. There are legal, psychological, sociological, epistemological, etc. questions in this case
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There is no way Adnan should have been convicted IMO, but I would not go so far as to say he had nothing to do with it. There is no question that Jay has done an incredible amount of lying, but like it was said at the end of the podcast, for Adnan to be completely innocent, would mean that Adnan would have to be the most unlucky guy around. The third party angle does not account for how Jay knew where Hay's car was and besides what would be the motive for a third party killing her? Why would that third party tell Jay where her car was? The circumstantial evidence that is known appears to point to Jay as much as Adnan for those reasons I think Adnan should have been found not guilty, but there is so much that doesn't make sense in this case.
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It's such a great case because no matter who you want to believe, Jay or Adnan, the story doesn't quite add up because the other guy doesn't have an obvious motive. It's hard to believe Jay because there is no evidence that Adnan was all that busted up about Hae. It's hard to believe Adnan because there is no apparent reason at all that Jay would want to kill Hae.
It's definitely possible that Jay is lying to protect someone. It's also possible that he is telling the truth, despite the inconsistencies.
It's one of those cases where the evidence lies in that space between proof beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant's guilt and proof by a preponderance of the evidence of his innocence. Adnan should never have been convicted, but now that he has, he is in legal no man's land.
It's such a great case because no matter who you want to believe, Jay or Adnan, the story doesn't quite add up because the other guy doesn't have an obvious motive. It's hard to believe Jay because there is no evidence that Adnan was all that busted up about Hae. It's hard to believe Adnan because there is no apparent reason at all that Jay would want to kill Hae.
It's definitely possible that Jay is lying to protect someone. It's also possible that he is telling the truth, despite the inconsistencies.
It's one of those cases where the evidence lies in that space between proof beyond a reasonable doubt of the defendant's guilt and proof by a preponderance of the evidence of his innocence. Adnan should never have been convicted, but now that he has, he is in legal no man's land.
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I read them and it seems like damning evidence that Adnan really is a psychopath. Great audio series until the last four, I think they ran out of material.
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I am definitely not in the camp that Adnan is 100% innocent, but I strongly disagree with the bolded. If you reread the interview, Jay consistently contradicts the timeline presented by the prosecution. Jay told different stories in Interview 1, Interview 2, during the trial, and now during the Intercept interview. IMO, Jay has zero credibility.
Sorry to bump an old thread, but I missed this when it was originally posted. It's a great podcast. I've actually started relistening to it with my roommate (who's a first time listener).
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Jay could lie 100 times but he was able to show them where the car was and Adnan is unable to account for anything. The fact that the cell tower data puts his phone in the Leakin park area around when Jay claimed they were burying her body seals the deal.
Adnan's own story admitted to him having the phone by that time of the day. So even if the murder times are pinpoint, he appears guilty and it's really not close. If the series would've concluded after episode 7-8, I would've finished it thinking he was innocent but like the producer said, "he has to be the most unlucky guy ever" to have all of this happen and have someone pin it on him in a way that corroborates cell tower data.
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Yeah, Jay was trying to control the story, but the police didn't really seem to care because he was ultimately giving him the goods and everything lined up in the big picture. The only other question is, what if Jay did. But why would Jay have killed the girl? What was his motivation?
I thought the "you're pathetic" statement Adnan made as Jay took the stand was a big tell.
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1. How does Jay knowing the location of the car say anything at all about Adnan's guilt?
2. The cell phone towers show that Adnan's phone might have been in Leakin Park when they were supposedly burying the bodies (according to Jay's trial testimony). To me, that doesn't prove murder. Also, Jay contradicted this timeline in the interview when he stated that Adnan buried the body around midnight.
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I absolutely loved the podcast. May have to go back and listen to it again to catch all of the details.
There are simply far too many inconsistencies for me to convict Adnan of murder.
But as others have stated, if it wasn't Adnan that did it, he is the most unlucky dude ever. He gave his phone and his car to the guy who ultimately led to his demise - all because he wanted his friend, Stephanie, to get a good birthday gift from her boyfriend, Jay. Then pair that with the cell towers lining up enough to corroborate Jay's wishy washy story. Mann. Just fucking awful.
There are simply far too many inconsistencies for me to convict Adnan of murder.
But as others have stated, if it wasn't Adnan that did it, he is the most unlucky dude ever. He gave his phone and his car to the guy who ultimately led to his demise - all because he wanted his friend, Stephanie, to get a good birthday gift from her boyfriend, Jay. Then pair that with the cell towers lining up enough to corroborate Jay's wishy washy story. Mann. Just fucking awful.
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Loved the podcast and am addicted to all of the speculation. I personally feel that Adnan did commit the crime or have some part in it, but that there is no way i could have convicted him based on the evidence presented to the jury. Also the phone records can not be relied on at all, the AT&T coversheet that they sent to the prosecution said that outgoing calls where not to be relied on.
Jay is a compulsive liar, and the story he gave to the intercept is almost enough evidence to get Adnan a new trial. I tend to think Ulrick is full or shit and covering up something too.
I HIGHLY reccomend anyone whos interested in this case to check out reddit.com/r/serialpodcast there are facinating details coming out every day from both trials and other sources.
Jay is a compulsive liar, and the story he gave to the intercept is almost enough evidence to get Adnan a new trial. I tend to think Ulrick is full or shit and covering up something too.
I HIGHLY reccomend anyone whos interested in this case to check out reddit.com/r/serialpodcast there are facinating details coming out every day from both trials and other sources.
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Everyone should read these through links:
Serial: Why Jay’s Testimony Is Not Credible Evidence of Adnan’s Guilt | The View From LL2
Serial: A Comparison of Adnan’s Cell Phone Records and the Witness Statements Provided by Adnan, Jay, Jenn, and Cathy | The View From LL2
Opinion piece on Jay acting alone (ignore the horrible stats referenced in the beginning, the rest is pretty good for those that love the speculation):
Serial Podcast; Cellphone Data Shows How Jay Acted Alone
Serial: Why Jay’s Testimony Is Not Credible Evidence of Adnan’s Guilt | The View From LL2
Serial: A Comparison of Adnan’s Cell Phone Records and the Witness Statements Provided by Adnan, Jay, Jenn, and Cathy | The View From LL2
Opinion piece on Jay acting alone (ignore the horrible stats referenced in the beginning, the rest is pretty good for those that love the speculation):
Serial Podcast; Cellphone Data Shows How Jay Acted Alone
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The only fly in all of that ointment is the Nisha call. I just can't wrap my head around that call. If it weren't for that call then you can easily break down the day base on who was being called when. The Nisha and Yassir calls are the big red flags against Adnan.
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Does this revolve around the same case? Or is it a new season with a new case?
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It's about the US Soldier who was captured by the Taliban and held captive for 5 years. And no it isnt only on Pandora, I was able to listen to episode 1 on Podcast Addict app today
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Season two is going to be about the Bowe Bergdal case. I have to admit I was disappointed when I first heard that this would be the topic, but now having listened to the first episode it's clear that there is lots about this case that never made it to the main stream media coverage.
No it's on iTunes too, or you can just stream it at serialpodcast.com
Edit: Guess blueNDgold44 beat me to it lol
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Only found out about this podcast after watching Making a Murderer and have to say I enjoyed this one better.
In my opinion, I think Adnan did commit the crime and I think Jay was involved the entire time. Not from a planning perspective other than knowing Adnan was going to do it. And I tend to believe Adnan had Jay over a barrel and blackmailed him into helping with the cover up after the fact.
The one thing that stuck with me from the podcast was the interrogation expert that Sarah interviewed. He said something like "you have to look at the inconsistencies of Jay's story but you also have to weigh all the consistencies like knowing where the car was. Having knowledge of where the body was and how it was buried".
The other person I found credible was the guy who worked with Jay at the video store. He really had no skin in the game other than to tell what he knew.
Also, one thing Sarah mentioned in the podcast that I always believed was why do people who maintain their innocence sit motionless and say nothing. I know its a strategy, but if I was falsely accused of 1st degree murder, I think I would be standing on the table screaming I didn't do it. Especially when you know witnesses are telling lies.
In my opinion, I think Adnan did commit the crime and I think Jay was involved the entire time. Not from a planning perspective other than knowing Adnan was going to do it. And I tend to believe Adnan had Jay over a barrel and blackmailed him into helping with the cover up after the fact.
The one thing that stuck with me from the podcast was the interrogation expert that Sarah interviewed. He said something like "you have to look at the inconsistencies of Jay's story but you also have to weigh all the consistencies like knowing where the car was. Having knowledge of where the body was and how it was buried".
The other person I found credible was the guy who worked with Jay at the video store. He really had no skin in the game other than to tell what he knew.
Also, one thing Sarah mentioned in the podcast that I always believed was why do people who maintain their innocence sit motionless and say nothing. I know its a strategy, but if I was falsely accused of 1st degree murder, I think I would be standing on the table screaming I didn't do it. Especially when you know witnesses are telling lies.
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Wow. I believe he had something to do with murder but don't think there was enough evidence against him to convict so this is good news.