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There's that focus on Strength of Schedule!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alabama has added a Sept. 10, 2016, game against Western Kentucky at Bryant-Denny Stadium.</p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/statuses/474220016955842560">June 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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There's that focus on Strength of Schedule!

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Alabama has added a Sept. 10, 2016, game against Western Kentucky at Bryant-Denny Stadium.</p>— CollegeFootballTalk (@CFTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/CFTalk/statuses/474220016955842560">June 4, 2014</a></blockquote>
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I see Kelly must not have called Nick. Hum....

Guess he would rather duke it out with Purdue. Oh well... maybe in the near future.
 

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I see Kelly must not have called Nick. Hum....

Guess he would rather duke it out with Purdue. Oh well... maybe in the near future.

I've always liked you and liked having you around Tommy, but this post, and your recent thoughts and argument about it, are complete troll jobs.

Spinning an argument that ND is too scared or won't play Alabama next year, thus making western kentucky their fall back plan, is the textbook definition of a troll.

Get out of here with that shit.
 

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I've always liked you and liked having you around Tommy, but this post, and your recent thoughts and argument about it, are complete troll jobs.

Spinning an argument that ND is too scared or won't play Alabama next year, thus making western kentucky their fall back plan, is the textbook definition of a troll.

Get out of here with that shit.

Sorry you feel that way. I try to be pretty fair and consistent with my posts. But for others to imply Bama scheduled WKU because they were afraid to play others is a little ridiculous as well. I have been pretty fair about this topic and have taken plenty from posters out here even when the issue with the open game was due to the SEC not going to nine games. I don't think for a second ND is scared to play Bama and have said numerous times I hope in the near future they can make something happen. Other than that, the Kelly comment was in jest.
 

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Sorry you feel that way. I try to be pretty fair and consistent with my posts. But for others to imply Bama scheduled WKU because they were afraid to play others is a little ridiculous as well. I have been pretty fair about this topic and have taken plenty from posters out here even when the issue with the open game was due to the SEC not going to nine games. I don't think for a second ND is scared to play Bama and have said numerous times I hope in the near future they can make something happen. Other than that, the Kelly comment was in jest.

Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to say Bama was afraid of anybody by posting that. I just thought all the grumbling we heard about SoS and FCS teams from various SEC coaches would have led to a "Big 5" program and not WKU.
 

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Just to clarify, I wasn't trying to say Bama was afraid of anybody by posting that. I just thought all the grumbling we heard about SoS and FCS teams from various SEC coaches would have led to a "Big 5" program and not WKU.

Only problem was every Big 5 team turned us down that was contacted about a potential game. Even those looking for games. But no big deal... WKU it is.
 

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Worst non-conference college football matchups of 2014 - NFL.com

The SEC weren't even the worst offenders, but a couple of their games made this list. Some of these matchups are damn near shameful.

10. Portland State at Oregon State
When: Aug. 30
Why: Last season the Beavers opened with an FCS foe from the Pacific Northwest and embarrassingly lost to Eastern Washington. While Portland State isn't quite to their level, it nearly beat Cal in 2013 and figures to evoke plenty of memories of that opener from last year. The Oregon State non-conference slate is soft, and starting the season with another FCS team while figuring things out on both sides of the ball might not make for great television.

9. Western Carolina at Alabama
When: Nov. 22
Why: Outside of the opener against West Virginia, Alabama's non-conference schedule is once again a pick'em of lowly opponents. In what seems to be a time-honored (but maybe not Selection Committee honored?) tradition, Western Carolina is the FCS opponent that heads to Bryant-Denny right before the Iron Bowl. While that alone would be a mismatch considering the NFL talent on the Tide's roster, the fact that the Catamounts are coming off a 2-10 season makes this game even more embarrassing for a power conference team to have on its schedule. If you stick around into the fourth quarter of this one, you are a true Alabama fan.

8. Idaho at Florida
When: Aug. 30
Why: The last time Idaho went to the Sunshine State, they were bludgeoned to death by Florida State by the score of 80-14. While the Gators' offense can only dream of putting up that many points, it should be able to at least move the ball against the Vandals. Considering the Gators lost to an FCS team that didn't complete a pass last year, anything is possible. But Idaho is coming off a 1-10 season and making a cross-country trip. It's bad that they're even on the schedule in the Swamp, but it will be even worse for Will Muschamp if this one isn't a blowout given what happened last year.

7. Duke at Troy
When: Sept. 6
Why: It's not often you see a team coming off an ACC Championship Game appearance play a game at a Sun Belt school the next season. But such is the case with the Trojans and the Blue Devils, who played a close game in Durham last year. Both teams lost a few pieces from a season ago, and a random non-conference trip to the deep South could end up as a potential upset alert in early September.

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6. Arizona State at New Mexico
When: Sept. 6
Why: Another puzzling part of the schedule sees Pac-12 title-game representative Arizona State travel all the way to Albuquerque to take on New Mexico. While the Sun Devils had a breakout season in 2013, the Lobos went 3-9 and struggled (to put it mildly) on defense. This game fits on the embarrassing list not just because a power conference team is traveling to New Mexico, but because ASU is replacing a ton of pieces on defense and has to face the triple option. ASU head coach Todd Graham has way more talent and QB Taylor Kelly should have a field day against the Lobos' defense, but it's still interesting to see this road trip on the schedule.

5. Appalachian State at Southern Miss
When: Sept. 20
Why: Southern Miss had a historically bad season in 2013 and its non-conference slate (which includes trips to Alabama and Mississippi State) does the school no favors in 2014. Appalachian State has great name recognition thanks to its upset of Michigan in 2007, but this is a team making the transition to the FBS and the Sun Belt. If the Mountaineers get the win, it would result in a big celebration from NFL Media analyst and Appalachian State alum Daniel Jeremiah, and another long, long season for the Golden Eagles.

4. Marshall vs. Rhode Island
When: Sep. 6
Why: Nothing will get you excited for a Thundering Herd game quite like ... Rhode Island? Marshall has a terrible non-conference slate as is, but the most embarrassing game on the slate pits them against the FCS team that went 3-9 a season ago. While it will be a bloodbath given Marshall's offensive production, the school should have never scheduled such a game.

3. N.C. State vs. Presbyterian
When: Sept. 20
Why: The Wolfpack might have the most embarrassing non-conference slate of any power-conference team. If Georgia Southern, Old Dominion and USF don't do it for you, tiny FCS school Presbyterian sure won't. It's a good bet N.C. State improves significantly on its record from last year (3-9), but a deeper look into the reason why has to do with the laughable opponents on the schedule more than on-field progress.

2. Baylor at Buffalo
When: Sept. 12
Why: Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw is a sharp guy, but who knows why he agreed to a home-and-home with Buffalo given the Bears' resources. Seriously, the Big 12 champion is heading to Buffalo for a game in September. That's somewhat unheard of. The Bulls also lost Khalil Mack to the NFL, so Baylor's terrific offense should put this one out of reach early.

1. Colorado at UMass
When: Sept. 6
Why: Why is a power conference team like Colorado travelling nearly 2,000 miles across the country to take on one of the worst teams in the FBS? Seriously, anybody know? This is just a puzzling game to have on the schedule and is certainly an embarrassment for the Buffs -- the game won't even be televised. On the flip side, a bunch of kids do get to play at Gillette Stadium (home of the New England Patriots), but that might be the only saving grace of this matchup.
 

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I don't mind when the Power 5 teams schedule cupcakes, as long as they are against 1-A teams. Don't even care if it's a major mis-match, as long as its FBS level.

I'd like to see teams schedule 8 gm conf, 2 power 5 ooc (preferably 1h, 1a/neutral) and 2 cupcake 1-A teams. Well, really I'd like to see 4 power 5 ooc and 0 FBS cupcakes, but I can live with them.
 

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SEC, Issue of Conference Autonomy and Possibility of "Division IV"

SEC, Issue of Conference Autonomy and Possibility of "Division IV"

Was reading the article below and was intrigued by it to say the least. It seems like the SEC, led by Slive, is pushing for changes with the current NCAA restrictions and regulations, and seemed to be threatening the NCAA to a degree.

http://http://sports.yahoo.com/news/secs-slive-continues-push-big-172456553--ncaaf.html

From the piece, I can gather that there are many issues that needs to be discussed between the NCAA and the power conferences. But I am not entirely clear what the major issues are. I would be grateful if someone can lay out the major points and the pros and cons of it. Major thanks in advance. If this issue has already been discussed in a different thread then please let me know. Thought about starting a new thread but was unsure how much of it has already been discussed here on IE.
 

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Was reading the article below and was intrigued by it to say the least. It seems like the SEC, led by Slive, is pushing for changes with the current NCAA restrictions and regulations, and seemed to be threatening the NCAA to a degree.

http://http://sports.yahoo.com/news/secs-slive-continues-push-big-172456553--ncaaf.html

From the piece, I can gather that there are many issues that needs to be discussed between the NCAA and the power conferences. But I am not entirely clear what the major issues are. I would be grateful if someone can lay out the major points and the pros and cons of it. Major thanks in advance. If this issue has already been discussed in a different thread then please let me know. Thought about starting a new thread but was unsure how much of it has already been discussed here on IE.

A lot of it is just posturing, for sure. But in general the "haves" are pissed that their whole way of life is being threatened because of stupid rules that originate with the "have nots."

If you let the "haves" run things, stipends and travel costs and many other simple steps would've been taken over the years to head off the push against amateurism that is currently going on. It's very hard to pass rules in Division I because the "have nots" out number the "haves" and will vote against anything that increases their operating costs.
 

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A lot of it is just posturing, for sure. But in general the "haves" are pissed that their whole way of life is being threatened because of stupid rules that originate with the "have nots."

If you let the "haves" run things, stipends and travel costs and many other simple steps would've been taken over the years to head off the push against amateurism that is currently going on.

Agreed, I think there has to be a much higher standard in terms of the minimum level of financial commitment to a program. Whether that's conference realignment, new divisions or whatever, I don't care as much, but we shouldn't be holding back the players, programs or financial opportunities just because smaller, poorer schools can't commit those same resources.
 

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Also, if you missed this, the SEC takes even its newly scheduled rivalries seriously:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Construction worker at Texas A&M flies Bama flag, gets fired sooooo fast. <a href="http://t.co/OKVb7uOGEW">http://t.co/OKVb7uOGEW</a> (Pic: <a href="https://twitter.com/doug_keegan">@doug_keegan</a>) <a href="http://t.co/MW36ne9dDs">pic.twitter.com/MW36ne9dDs</a></p>— SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/statuses/488796391817224192">July 14, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mississippi State says it's contacted every non-SEC power team about trying to schedule games: <a href="http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT">http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/489082927008202752">July 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mississippi State says it's contacted every non-SEC power team about trying to schedule games: <a href="http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT">http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/489082927008202752">July 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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If true and genuine, then I applaud their effort.

Placing MSU on the schedule is a strange predicament. Are schools on the west coast or midwest trying to get into the Mississippi high school recruiting game? Not really. It's a low population state, but they put out a great bang for the buck, population-wise. But are Oregon, Washington, and Wisconsin (for instance) going to be able to pull those top kids from the state, who are being heavily recruited by the in-state schools, LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and the rest of the sec? Very doubtful. Are kids there going to go to Washington, Arizona, Oregon, Ohio, Wisconsin for college? Not really. Does exposure in the state help them with less-heralded recruits that may fall through the cracks? No, it's a small state, unlike Texas or Florida where you could legitimately field a national championship-winning team composed solely of 85 players from each state.

And placing them on your schedule gets you no real appreciation from anybody. If you win, people will claim (rightfully)-- you beat a low-tier team from the sec, who cares. And then if you lose, well, then people will claim-- ess eee cee, ess eee cee, ess eee cee.

So, unfortunately for a school like Mississippi State, I don't see many takers in their offer. One of the drawbacks of the game as it is currently constructed.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Mississippi State says it's contacted every non-SEC power team about trying to schedule games: <a href="http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT">http://t.co/oHYodqZyKT</a></p>— SB✯Nation CFB (@SBNationCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNationCFB/statuses/489082927008202752">July 15, 2014</a></blockquote>
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From the article
"We've found some difficulty in the process. Teams certainly might want to schedule a SEC team, but to look at a team like Mississippi State that's been successful, they might not want to play us or feel like it's not enough of a sexy matchup."

2013: 7*-6, wins over Alcorn State, Troy, Bowling Green, Rice; conference wins over teams not named Kentucky, Arkansas or Ole' Miss - 0

2012: 8-5, wins over Jackson State, Troy, South Alabama, Middle Tennessee State; conference wins over teams not named Arkansas or Ole' Miss - 2

2011: 7*-6, wins over Memphis, Louisiana Tech, UAB, Tennessee-Martin, Wake Forest; conference wins over teams not named Kentucky or Ole' Miss - 0

(*Includes win in bowl game)

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>SEC Media Poll: Champs: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bama?src=hash">#Bama</a>. West: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Bama?src=hash">#Bama</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Auburn?src=hash">#Auburn</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LSU?src=hash">#LSU</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OleMiss?src=hash">#OleMiss</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MSU?src=hash">#MSU</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TAMU?src=hash">#TAMU</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ark?src=hash">#Ark</a>. East: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SoCaro?src=hash">#SoCaro</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UGa?src=hash">#UGa</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UF?src=hash">#UF</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mizzo?src=hash">#Mizzo</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UT?src=hash">#UT</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Vandy?src=hash">#Vandy</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UK?src=hash">#UK</a></p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/489760928364113920">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Saban said he'd been "all for" playing all their games against teams from the Big 5 conferences. Says it's for fans & betterment of our game</p>— Bruce Feldman (@BruceFeldmanCFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/statuses/489827058676027392">July 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bama fan construction worker says he messed with structural integrity of Texas A&M’s stadium: <a href="http://t.co/OKVb7uOGEW">http://t.co/OKVb7uOGEW</a> <a href="http://t.co/qeCVuHh66i">pic.twitter.com/qeCVuHh66i</a></p>— SB Nation (@SBNation) <a href="https://twitter.com/SBNation/statuses/490107526738747392">July 18, 2014</a></blockquote>
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SEC Pride. Between this and Mr. Updyke, schedule Bama at your own risk.
 

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"They have Lamar, Rice, SMU and ULM. Boy those are all a bunch of toughies, right? - Stoops on Texas A&M

Quotes: <a href="http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF">http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/statuses/492053333046460417">July 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"They have Lamar, Rice, SMU and ULM. Boy those are all a bunch of toughies, right? - Stoops on Texas A&M

Quotes: <a href="http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF">http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/statuses/492053333046460417">July 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Shots fired.

Good. I like when the Big12 puts the SEC in its crosshairs. Granted, more times than not it's butthurt, but it sure does help when OU shellacs Bammmmmerrrr in a BCS Game.
 

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Good. I like when the Big12 puts the SEC in its crosshairs. Granted, more times than not it's butthurt, but it sure does help when OU shellacs Bammmmmerrrr in a BCS Game.

Then you'll love the rest of what he said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Bob Stoops still has issues with the SEC. <a href="http://t.co/y3iXta4g6d">http://t.co/y3iXta4g6d</a></p>— CollegeFootball 24/7 (@NFL_CFB) <a href="https://twitter.com/NFL_CFB/statuses/492306837568385027">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Not untrue as as we've seen time and time again. <a href="http://t.co/al9oJ6kZOz">pic.twitter.com/al9oJ6kZOz</a></p>— Bryan Fischer (@BryanDFischer) <a href="https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/statuses/492438583488569344">July 24, 2014</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>"They have Lamar, Rice, SMU and ULM. Boy those are all a bunch of toughies, right? - Stoops on Texas A&M

Quotes: <a href="http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF">http://t.co/uPsrvyAkMF</a></p>— College GameDay (@CollegeGameDay) <a href="https://twitter.com/CollegeGameDay/statuses/492053333046460417">July 23, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Kevin Sumlin issues challenge to Bob Stoops | CollegeFootballTalk

“Coach Stoops has the right to say whatever he wants, but if he wants to play us again we’ll take him up on that”

The reality is Stoops was correct in his assessment. Texas A&M doesn’t play a bunch of “toughies.”

Since Sumlin took over the program, the Aggies’ non-conference schedule has included the Louisiana Tech Bulldogs, SMU Mustangs, South Carolina State Bulldogs, Sam Houston State BearKats, Rice Owls, UTEP Miners, Lamar Cardinal and ULM Warhawks.

Oklahoma, meanwhile, has scheduled the Notre Dame Fighting Irish (twice) and the Tennessee Volunteers over the same period.
 

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Personally, all the talk from Big Game Bob shows exactly why there is so much difference in the mindset of his program vs. Bama and Saban. He measures his program's success on beating an SEC school and Saban measures his success by winning NCs. Losing to Oklahoma last year really didn't mean much to the overwhelming majority of Tide fans, and that doesn't mean they are disrespecting Stoops or Oklahoma. The goal every year for the Tide is to win a NC, not win a BCS bowl game. Big difference Bob. Maybe the two teams meet this year in the playoff when it matters more.
 

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Personally, all the talk from Big Game Bob shows exactly why there is so much difference in the mindset of his program vs. Bama and Saban. He measures his program's success on beating an SEC school and Saban measures his success by winning NCs. Losing to Oklahoma last year really didn't mean much to the overwhelming majority of Tide fans, and that doesn't mean they are disrespecting Stoops or Oklahoma. The goal every year for the Tide is to win a NC, not win a BCS bowl game. Big difference Bob. Maybe the two teams meet this year in the playoff when it matters more.

That's the same mentality that meatchicken fans have about the big integer championship.

"Well we don't really care about beating team x, we just want to win the B1G."
"So what if we lost our BCS bowl game! We won the B1G and that's what really matters."

I'm not buying that T Town. That's textbook Fair Weather Fan. "I care when my team wins it all, but when we don't I revert to apathy. "

That's either:
1) Sad for the school that its supporters have such little loyalty; or
2) A coping mechanism
 
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