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sorry, I'm where Mark May was in 2005... show me.

This.

This same thing happened with the last two coaches, both of whom had better results in their debut seasons than Brian Kelly. It also happened after Bob Davie's second season, a successful 9-3 year.

The elite team speed is not there yet.

I want to see sustained success before I go on clamoring the return to glory that has been heralded for 15 years.
 

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Sweet Bejeezus, Bogsie & phorker, are youse guz tryin' to horn in on my (with a little help from me friends) grammar, spelling, punctuation and sentence structure territory?

Jobs are hard enough to come by these days. I don't need this seven asterisk, four asterisk right now.
 
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This.

This same thing happened with the last two coaches, both of whom had better results in their debut seasons than Brian Kelly. It also happened after Bob Davie's second season, a successful 9-3 year.

The elite team speed is not there yet.

I want to see sustained success before I go on clamoring the return to glory that has been heralded for 15 years.

The guys on this team were highly praised coming out of high school. Notre Dame hasn't truly struggled with talent like many pundits say, it has largely been coaching holding the program back. I do think Kelly is the man.

As for speed specifically, it isn't elite but it doesn't need to be. Notre Dame has equal or better speed than South Florida, Michigan, Michigan State, Pittsburgh, Purdue, Air Force, Navy, Maryland, Wake Forest, and even Stanford. Only USC has better athletes than Notre Dame in my opinion. Stanford, from a talent perspective, is a push--I think Luck and Harbaugh were spectacular last year and won't be able to live up to that.

2011 will be a big year for Notre Dame because of the returning players and coaching. While Notre Dame has struggled, and there are extremely valid reasons to be cautious, Brian Kelly's resume has never let people down. Notre Dame's past failures have zero impact going forward.

I love what Kelly and his staff have done. Even before the last four games I could see this team getting better nearly every aspect of the game (Navy being an exception). I don't see how someone could look at the Michigan, Michigan State, and Tulsa losses and really think Notre Dame was beat those games. They lost, but they weren't "pushed around" and "hanging in there" like in years prior. I coached high school football, and those three losses reminded me of games lost due to injuries (Michigan and Tulsa) and simple bad luck (Michigan State). I honestly was only angry after the Tulsa game, the other two didn't bother me. Notre Dame played well in those games as a whole. Only Stanford demonstrated that in a ten game series, they'd mop the floor with the 2010 Irish every time.

I think this team should be expected to win nine or more games. Anything less than eight wins should be viewed with concern (unless it's caused by injuries).
 
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8-4. Thats my optimism for this year. Could lose 5 if we aren't heathy.
 

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Actually, the only question is: why be optimistic for this upcoming year?? All the previous comments by the poster's friend might be viewed as contextual, but don't have to limit the responses in any way --- the past is past. I'd answer the inquiry by saying:

1).You've asked for an opinion, not a proof, so we can proceed with a light attitude;

2).My feeling is that our defense showed itself to be a). good; b). constantly improving; c).has great coaching; d). is a year older with essentially everyone returning [this is almost always a TREMENDOUS factor in the upgrade from one year to the next], e). and has added some eye-popping talent that should make significant impact as the year goes on. Such a power on one side of the ball should limit opponent scoring so that we are in every game;

3).Our head coach has succeeded offensively wherever he has coached, has a ton of returning people [including nearly the whole offensive line --- no minor factor that], and should be able to smooth out an occasionally malfunctioning unit in this coming year. Agreed, we are vulnerable at QB and RB to see if we will be merely OK or be great, but there is at least hope. Just as a fine defense should keep us in all games, a fine line should make us at least semi-functional. All the rest of the play-makers seem to be in place;

4).We have absolutely great proven kickers and a young stud to add to them. Kicking also wins games. Our kicking game might be the best in the country. In terms of running back kicks, we've proved nothing except that we don't fumble it away. That is not spectacular, but at least it is no deficit;

5). Our conditioning program seems to create an entire squad capable of out-competing the opponent in the fourth quarter and in the later part of the season. This should also be worth something in terms of success;

Adding up the easily seeable values of our defense, the strength of our offensive line, the greatness of our kicking game, the superiority of our conditioning, the spectacular potential of our play-making receivers, and the track record of our head coach [in college doing this exact job], one might be able to see from where some legitimate optimism could grow.

Yours in Our Lady, Lou Holtz.
 
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This may be one of the best posts I have ever seen!
 

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You beat a Utah team that had been demoralized by TCU the week before. Now granted, they were ranked, so you get credit.

Geez in the whole demoralization thing...lemme see...Seniors and Juniors on our squad who have had a career aboard the titanic, and we just hit the Navy and Tulsa "iceburgs"...and let us not forget Declan Sullivan...and that little issue of Tommy's first start. In the continuum of Demoralization, Utah was a 2...we were an 8. Great Win.

You beat Army, no real credit for that one.

Ok, although I saw some play I wish we'd have seen against Navy, and we didn't play flat after Utah.

...and you beat a USC team without Barkley and who dropped a touchdown pass with under a minute to play.

We slip, they Drop...even. Their QB was in the system 4 years...ours 11 games, two starts..no Rudy, no AA.

Then the bowl was an awful Miami team who spend too much time in Mexico instead of El Paso.

Miami was picked nearly universally to beat us...its easy to say "horrible" in hindsight.

You lost to one of the worst Michigan teams in history (that’s at least two consecutive losses), and you lost to Navy and Tulsa. What gives with the hopes for next season?

Indeed, but the O staff learned a little about the talent they had along the way...the D made progression throughout the year. I'll use phil Steele here...we had some losses that were close...in his opinion those bode well for 2011.

We have a big ? at the QB spot...thats spooky, and we have various configurations of players potentially in different positions...hard to say on O...Kelly has shown he can find a way to get points. I think the D is for real...nobody scores more than 21 against us this year if we stay healthy.

I am taking a show me stance as well, but we have alot to be optimistic about.
 

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Geez in the whole demoralization thing...lemme see...Seniors and Juniors on our squad who have had a career aboard the titanic, and we just hit the Navy and Tulsa "iceburgs"...and let us not forget Declan Sullivan...and that little issue of Tommy's first start. In the continuum of Demoralization, Utah was a 2...we were an 8. Great Win.



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I think the Utah game, being fully aware of all the ... stuff... this team went through, is the first time in my adult life (I said adult, not mature) that my eyes actually got moist over a football game. Same with the USC game..

Yeah, I am a big ND du Lac fan here in USC territory. I think I converted my neighbors, who I watched the games with, and WERE UCLA fans, into ND fans.
 

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I think the Utah game, being fully aware of all the ... stuff... this team went through, is the first time in my adult life (I said adult, not mature) that my eyes actually got moist over a football game. Same with the USC game..

Yeah, I am a big ND du Lac fan here in USC territory. I think I converted my neighbors, who I watched the games with, and WERE UCLA fans, into ND fans.

wait until ND wins a huge game or two... half of all your UCLA and USC neighbors will 'convert' into 'life long fans' ... and you will be sickened by it.
 

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wait until ND wins a huge game or two... half of all your UCLA and USC neighbors will 'convert' into 'life long fans' ... and you will be sickened by it.

And then we get to explain how we, the real fans, suffered through the Great Mediocrity of 1997-2009.

"Why, back in my day, we had to walk to the stadium in the snow uphill both ways just to watch ND lose. And we LIKED it, dammit."

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"Dadgum bandwagon fans. Don't know how good they have it"
 

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As a die hard Angels fan who has been through it... no... you and I will also be 'band wagon' fans... lol

damned if you do...
 

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As a die hard Angels fan who has been through it... no... you and I will also be 'band wagon' fans... lol

damned if you do...

Including you ACamp.... you all can kiss my arse.... I am a Cubs and Irish fan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As Ray 'Boom Boom' Gibson said it, "It exists in my mind, Goldmouth; that's where it starts. It starts in your brain first. You know, it got to exist up here first. "As a man think it, so then shall he get", you know, some **** like that. You know you read the Bible."


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Try being a Bills Fan and a ND fan. Oh yeah, let's not forget the Sacramento Kings and Buffalo Sabres. At least I have the Yankees.
 

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I think the Utah game, being fully aware of all the ... stuff... this team went through, is the first time in my adult life (I said adult, not mature) that my eyes actually got moist over a football game. Same with the USC game..

...Me too. My wife was like WTF, you never get misty over anything...then some rant about GD Notre Dame...anyway...me too.
 

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Here is the best example of season optimism:

RealClearSports - Top 10 Famous Fans - 5. Regis Philbin

Regis Philbin bet John Saunders $1 Million that Notre Dame would win 11 games this season. Don't know if the bet was taken but just the fact that Regis was willing.

I'm pretty sure Saunders doesn't have the bankroll to take those kinds of bets, so it may not have been legitimate. Still, big ups to Regis for putting that kind of money on the Irish. #superfan
 

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Here is the best example of season optimism:

RealClearSports - Top 10 Famous Fans - 5. Regis Philbin


Regis Philbin bet John Saunders $1 Million that Notre Dame would win 11 games this season. Don't know if the bet was taken but just the fact that Regis was willing.

Whoa... I'm guessing that Regis was just punking out Saunders. Regardless of whether Regis believes we will win 11 (I think he probably does), he knows that John Saunders doesn't have a million dollars to risk on a football bet. Regis is a smart cat.

Whiskey, you are the king of beating me to the punch.
 
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Some interesting talk on the Irish on Ivan Maisel's podcast this afternoon.

I know many of you will dread the high expectations... but here it is:

ESPN Radio

p.s. good stuff starts at 23:15
 

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Some interesting talk on the Irish on Ivan Maisel's podcast this afternoon.

I know many of you will dread the high expectations... but here it is:

ESPN Radio

p.s. good stuff starts at 23:15

Can you give a synopsis? I am at work and my boss will fire me if he catches me listening to Notre Dame podcasts again.
 

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Try being a Bills Fan and a ND fan. Oh yeah, let's not forget the Sacramento Kings and Buffalo Sabres. At least I have the Yankees.

Bills and Irish fan too. Its been a very....long..... 10 years.
 

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Can you give a synopsis? I am at work and my boss will fire me if he catches me listening to Notre Dame podcasts again.

Beano cook is on the podcast and Maisel asks him about ND. He says that vegas has us favored in every game but Stanford. He predicts 10 wins and a BCS bowl. Believes if we get through September undefeated we definitely make a BCS bowl, possibly a National Championship. He also says if we get to Stanford undefeated or with one loss we win. But to also not look past South Florida.
 

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I'm pretty sure Saunders doesn't have the bankroll to take those kinds of bets, so it may not have been legitimate. Still, big ups to Regis for putting that kind of money on the Irish. #superfan

No, he doesn't but his boy Tyrone Willingham does.
 
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