Safeties / Assistant Coach Search 2018

[IrishLion]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame has unofficially hired its new safety coach come learn about him and discuss the new staff member. <a href="https://t.co/KWsiPtJktW">https://t.co/KWsiPtJktW</a></p>— 18 Stripes (@18stripes) <a href="https://twitter.com/18stripes/status/955540341410672640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Terry Joseph it is

 

[ulukinatme]

Top 4 in ND history for wins and is realistically going to pass Leahy in less than 2 years with less seasons coaching. He needs 31 wins over the next 3 years to Tie Lou in the same amount of time.. He's 36 short of Knute who coached for 13. I think he's done a pretty good job, especially considering all those who came before him starting in 1996

... I get the times have changed in terms of scheduling and amount of games, but keep it on perspective

Bruh, when Leahy coached they were doing 9 games a year. Kelly's got 12-13. That's a big difference. I'm a supporter of BK, I think he's pretty much the best we can expect today given the landscape of college football and the limitations of being Notre Dame, but don't put him in the same category as Knute or Leahy. Those guys are legends.

 

[Irish8248]

Bruh, when Leahy coached they were doing 9 games a year. Kelly's got 12-13. That's a big difference. I'm a supporter of BK, I think he's pretty much the best we can expect today given the landscape of college football and the limitations of being Notre Dame, but don't put him in the same category as Knute or Leahy. Those guys are legends.

Hence why I said I get the times have changed and amount of games scheduled.. Are was playing between 10-11 games a year. Holtz era was playing 12 games a year as well. If BK has 3 ten win seasons and one of those seasons is 11, hell be tied with Holtz. That's all. Perspective.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Hence why I said I get the times have changed and amount of games scheduled.. Are was playing between 10-11 games a year. Holtz era was playing 12 games a year as well. If BK has 3 ten win seasons and one of those seasons is 11, hell be tied with Holtz. That's all. Perspective.

Well, Holtz mostly played 11 game seasons, +1 for a bowl game. BK is is 12 game seasons, +1 for bowl game.

For Ara, it was mostly 10 game seasons, +1 for the bowl game.

Makes a big difference. As it is today, Ara and BK are averaging about the same number of wins per year while at ND, despite BK averaging 12.9 games per year and Ara averaged 10.5. Holtz averaged roughly 0.4 more wins per year than BK at this point, while playing 0.9 games per year less.

 

[Irish8248]

Well, Holtz mostly played 11 game seasons, +1 for a bowl game. BK is is 12 game seasons, +1 for bowl game.

For Ara, it was mostly 10 game seasons, +1 for the bowl game.

Makes a big difference. As it is today, Ara and BK are averaging about the same number of wins per year while at ND, despite BK averaging 12.9 games per year and Ara averaged 10.5. Holtz averaged roughly 0.4 more wins per year than BK at this point, while playing 0.9 games per year less.

This is all win pct talk, which is important, but also shows some differences is marginal. I'm just saying the magnitude of having a coach on pace to get to that level is pretty amazing and historic. It took 12 years and lots of bad coaching in between to get to the point that we are able too even have this conversation

 

[Ndaccountant]

This is all win pct talk, which is important, but also shows some differences is marginal. I'm just saying the magnitude of having a coach on pace to get to that level is pretty amazing and historic. It took 12 years and lots of bad coaching in between to get to the point that we are able too even have this conversation

We will just have to agree to disagree. BK isn't Tyrone or Boob or Fat Charlie, but he is no Lou or Ara or Frank.

Besides, this is rather pointless since 1) BK would have to double the amount of 10+ win seasons he has had up until this point & 2) I fully expect him to vacate wins.

 

[ulukinatme]

This is all win pct talk, which is important, but also shows some differences is marginal. I'm just saying the magnitude of having a coach on pace to get to that level is pretty amazing and historic. It took 12 years and lots of bad coaching in between to get to the point that we are able too even have this conversation

Win percentage is huge! It's the difference between a coach keeping his job and getting the axe. Prior to this year Kelly's seat was incredibly hot. We've discussed 4 coaches above, here's a small break down:

Coach A .881 5 undefeated teams and 3 National Championships
Coach B .855 and 4 National Championships
Coach C .765 and 1 National Championship
Coach D .670 and no championships

One of these four clearly doesn't belong in the discussion of the others. Championships aside, the winning percentage doesn't match up. Is it a horrible winning percentage? No. Should he be fired? Probably not. Is he a good coach? I certainly think so. What he's done isn't and shouldn't be in the same discussion as the legendary coaches. They accomplished far more and had a history of winning big games and consistently won as their records show. Just because you got to x number of games in y number of years doesn't mean you're comparable to guys that did the same thing with smaller schedules.

 

[stlnd01]

We will just have to agree to disagree. BK isn't Tyrone or Boob or Fat Charlie, but he is no Lou or Ara or Frank.

Besides, this is rather pointless since 1) BK would have to double the amount of 10+ win seasons he has had up until this point & 2) I fully expect him to vacate wins.

???

If you mean the wins they vacated during the Frozen Five situation, whatever. Those games were played. Notre Dame won (or lost) them. Or is there some other shoe you're expecting to drop?

Either way, vacating wins after the fact is a stupid slap on the wrist technicality, and shouldn't have any bearing on a coach's overall career winning percentage (unless, maybe, the coach himself was implicated in some sort of massive scandal, I guess, but that's not BK)

Regardless, yes, BK is in this limbo, somewhere between the bums of recent decades, and the all-time greats who get a statue outside the stadium. This is well-established, and probably isn't changing in however many seasons he has left at Notre Dame. But he has been a good coach for us these last eight years.

 

[NDMIA]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We have named <a href="https://twitter.com/Coach_TJoseph?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@coach_tjoseph</a> the safeties coach for the Irish. <br><br>More: <a href="https://t.co/fUxydjzYbr">https://t.co/fUxydjzYbr</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a> ☘ <a href="https://t.co/UXUgeAfs9X">pic.twitter.com/UXUgeAfs9X</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/958369834898788352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[fightingirish26]

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

 

[koonja]

Does anyone have an opinion on this?

As great as Elko is as a DC, the safety play almost literally couldn't have been worse than it was in 2017.

Name one play either Elliot or Coleman made. I can't recall a single play.

I don't know if it's a home-run, but it can't be worse. He'll bring energy and a focus (since he's just on safeties) if nothing else.

We're naturally getting more talent in 2018 at the position, so he should have a good crop to choose from.

 

[Irishbounty28]

If I remember right he was pretty well liked when he was a coach for Nebraska. Safety play/DB play was great when he was there. I don't have any qualms with this.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

As great as Elko is as a DC, the safety play almost literally couldn't have been worse than it was in 2017.

Name one play either Elliot or Coleman made. I can't recall a single play.

I don't know if it's a home-run, but it can't be worse. He'll bring energy and a focus (since he's just on safeties) if nothing else.

We're naturally getting more talent in 2018 at the position, so he should have a good crop to choose from.

This is where I'm at. He's a new coach with a lot more talent than we've had in the past few years. I'll temper my expectations by expecting a modest improvement purely based on the talent now stocked at safety.

We still have Studstill, Elliot, Coleman and we're adding loads more to help out. And our DL play should take another stepl, which should take pressure of our secondary.

 

[ab2cmiller]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"You're going to see a defense that's very aggressive, yet disciplined."<br><br>Hear what Coach Joseph expects and brings to the DB position in 2018 and beyond.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a>*☘ <a href="https://t.co/nyiQxk3FsI">pic.twitter.com/nyiQxk3FsI</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/958443729588690945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[BoredIrish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"You're going to see a defense that's very aggressive, yet disciplined."<br><br>Hear what Coach Joseph expects and brings to the DB position in 2018 and beyond.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GoIrish?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#GoIrish</a>*☘ <a href="https://t.co/nyiQxk3FsI">pic.twitter.com/nyiQxk3FsI</a></p>— Notre Dame Football (@NDFootball) <a href="https://twitter.com/NDFootball/status/958443729588690945?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Can you have less than ZERO interceptions from the safety position?

Not exactly going out on a limb with that prediction.

 

[GrangerIrish24]

Can you have less than ZERO interceptions from the safety position?

Not exactly going out on a limb with that prediction.

What if you fumble it after you intercept it?

 

[NDTH91]

As great as Elko is as a DC, the safety play almost literally couldn't have been worse than it was in 2017.

Name one play either Elliot or Coleman made. I can't recall a single play.

I don't know if it's a home-run, but it can't be worse. He'll bring energy and a focus (since he's just on safeties) if nothing else.

We're naturally getting more talent in 2018 at the position, so he should have a good crop to choose from.

K
In coverage, I can't think of one, but Coleman had a pretty sweet stick in the Georgia game. May have even been on a 3rd down.

I thought his tackling was remarkably better last year than it was in 2016. Elliot on the other hand...

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

I love when players prove me wrong so it'd be great if Elliot/Studstill/Coleman could pull a M. Farley and come out beast mode this year.

 

[stlnd01]

Coleman played a lot better than last year. Still don't love him as a starter. Elliot? Meh.
Honestly the best thing Elko did for his safeties was to make Tranquil a linebacker.

 

[koonja]

K
In coverage, I can't think of one, but Coleman had a pretty sweet stick in the Georgia game. May have even been on a 3rd down.

I thought his tackling was remarkably better last year than it was in 2016. Elliot on the other hand...

So between 2 safeties over 13 games, we can't think of a single play made in the pass game, and 1 nice tackle in the run game?

That's bad personel and bad coaching. it's almost impossible to not make 1 play in the passing game, even by accident over 13 games.

omm would have had at least 1 interception from right place, right time.

 

[NDTH91]

So between 2 safeties over 13 games, we can't think of a single play made in the pass game, and 1 nice tackle in the run game?

That's bad personel and bad coaching. it's almost impossible to not make 1 play in the passing game, even by accident over 13 games.

omm would have had at least 1 interception from right place, right time.

Not disagreeing with you, just saying I did remember ONE lol

 

[BobbyMac]

I know you guys wanna hang it on Elko but the past 2016 wasn't any better and the Redfield & Shumate era were basically the most disappointing positional duo in history. 98 & 96 level S's that never lived up to the promise.

After a decade of Zibby, Ndukwe, Bruton, McCarthy & Smith, those two were complete letdowns.