Russia Invades Ukraine

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Lol of course fuck face putin is saying Ukraine was behind this. They were escaping to Belarus and there is photos of them with ISIS flags, but let's ignore that.
 

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Lol of course fuck face putin is saying Ukraine was behind this. They were escaping to Belarus and there is photos of them with ISIS flags, but let's ignore that.
And taking credit for it. And the US warning about an ISIS attack weeks ago.
 

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And taking credit for it. And the US warning about an ISIS attack weeks ago.

Bold move from Putin. If he keeps blaming Ukraine and ISIS pulls off another strike, he looks really weak. If the dictator can't even protect you from terrorists, what's he good for?

Russia relies on a lot of workers from the Stans, has a lot of disaffected workers in the Caucasus, and has been messing around in Syria for a while. They're more at risk for this than pretty much any other western country.
 

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I was hoping they were going after Putin.

 
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They didn't care in 2014 when Russia went in. I wonder what changed

I mean we aided the Ukranians then. We just knew at the time their military couldn't survive a real war with Russia and we weren't going to send NATO forces to meet the Russians head on.

With this conflict we've offloaded old weapons, invested in new stuff, gotten finland/sweden into NATO and finally gotten the Europeans to start rebuilding their military industrial base. We've also significantly reduced the chances Russia tries something in the Baltics or Moldova/Romania.

For a historic parallel I wonder how different world history would be if we'd sent weapons to the Ethiopians when Mussolini invaded.
 

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https://www.reuters.com/markets/com... 18 (Reuters),did not hurt American producers.

More recently we could have maintained sanctions on Russian fertilizers...we chose to send weapons two years later to Ukraine instead. We refuse to fully engage in the economic war but happy to kill millions by proxy. Beware the military industrial complex.

We did that to avoid causing famine which could increase Russian favorability in the 3rd world and collapse a lot of governments which would potentially empower some radical Islamic groups.

Egypt is a country that could collapse if food prices shoot up. Imagine the Middle East if Egypt fell into an ISIS situation...
 

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We did that to avoid causing famine which could increase Russian favorability in the 3rd world and collapse a lot of governments which would potentially empower some radical Islamic groups.

Egypt is a country that could collapse if food prices shoot up. Imagine the Middle East if Egypt fell into an ISIS situation...

JFC - do you even hear yourself? Avoid famine? Like we wouldn't be able to grow our crops without Russian fertilizer? IF that were true - wouldn't you want to do something about the dumping for years that strained the US fertilizer producers? No, lets waive ALL sanctions so Russia can continue dump. Europe is largely shutting down it's fertilizer production b/c their decades long work to be dependent on Russian gas came home to roost. Europe was dependent on Russia for energy and will be for food too (Ukraine accounts for 1/6th of global grain exports). Russia is playing a long game cornering markets on actual necessities - part of that is dumping cheap fertilizer on global markets.

All in on war, unless my Corn Pops cost more, then I'm out. Brave. Also ignore that half our corn goes into the ethanol boondoggle - Farmers are a powerful lobby. Just amazing how easily they are able to scare people into maximizing their profits.
 

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We did that to avoid causing famine which could increase Russian favorability in the 3rd world and collapse a lot of governments which would potentially empower some radical Islamic groups.

Egypt is a country that could collapse if food prices shoot up. Imagine the Middle East if Egypt fell into an ISIS situation...

You make a strong case for peace ASAP. Get that region back to farming and transporting fertilizer. Russia produces a massive amount of fertilizer in that area not to mention the adjoining Russian land is their breadbasket. I am still of the belief that Russia's "record" cereals last year was a function of stolen Ukrainian grains and utilizing stranded fertilizer rather than sustainable production gains.

Exports of cereals from Russia 2023/2024 | Statista.

As for Ukraine - despite exports holding up recently it seems highly likely they are depleting stores and will be normalizing well below pre-war levels.

"USDA estimates of harvested area in MY 2023/24 have declined 32 percent, 27 percent, and 37 percent from MY 2021/22 levels for wheat, corn, and barley, respectively. While areas farmed with oilseed are expected to increase in the MY 2024/25 season, the net area of land farmed with major crops has decreased by 19.5 percent in the past two years. Further, Russia’s recent strike on two food export terminals in the Black Sea port of Pivdennyi is the 39th attack on the Odesa region’s port infrastructure alone. The impacts of Russia’s well-documented, targeted campaign against Ukrainian agriculture have been immense: Ukraine’s agriculture sector has incurred over $80 billion in losses and damages since Russia’s invasion, according to the Kyiv School of Economics."

Setting the Record Straight on Ukraine’s Grain Exports
 
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