Russia Invades Ukraine

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The videos are on X. That’s a planned attack. Not just someone with a bad day.

Yep. This was a terrorist group. It's horrible. A Russian youtuber close to the situation said two bombs were detonated, setting the Crokus on fire with 150 people trapped in it.
 

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Already tons of dipshits on Twitter saying that America was behind it because we were openly warning on government websites that those in Moscow should avoid large gatherings like concerts because we had information that a terrorist attack was imminent... as if these warnings are top secret to only US citizens.

ISIS has claimed responsibility.
 

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ISIS has claimed responsibility.

ISIS based out of Afganistan and central Asian countries bordering Russia. Are they going to open up a second front going into some of the Stan's?

Also 30% of their fighting age men are Russian. I can't imagine this is great for unit cohesion/military recruiting.
 

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Russia is saying not isis

MAGA clowns saying it was the US or Ukraine

Other clowns are saying inside russia job
US has zero credibility in the WH.

Ukraine has motive, especially if someone important was there.

ISIS is claiming it.

Russia has staged assassinations before. Never this dramatic.

Who the hell knows? It’s not like we’re all just going to believe whatever Russia says. Unless evidence emerges, this will be like pipeline attack.
 

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US has zero credibility in the WH.

Ukraine has motive, especially if someone important was there.

ISIS is claiming it.

Russia has staged assassinations before. Never this dramatic.

Who the hell knows? It’s not like we’re all just going to believe whatever Russia says. Unless evidence emerges, this will be like pipeline attack.
How is this possibly Biden’s fault lmao?

US intelligence specifically warned them about this weeks ago.
 

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How is this possibly Biden’s fault lmao?

US intelligence specifically warned them about this weeks ago.
I didn’t say it was Biden’s fault. I’m just saying whatever the WH says can’t be trusted. They’re on par with Baghdad Bob in terms of credibility.
 

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No. No evidence to support that.

Plenty of evidence to support my statement.

Present the evidence that supports that the US can't be trusted to have not been involved in an attack that we were actively warning the Russians about.

I also disagree that Ukraine has motive. If anything this would hurt them. Nearly every modern military study has found that that attacks on civilians do nothing but strengthen the resolve of the attacked country. Ukraine wants Russian civilians to be disenchanted with fighting a pointless, economically catastrophic war. Killing Russian civilians indiscriminately would hurt this strategy.
 
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Present the evidence that supports that the US can't be trusted to have not been involved in an attack that we were actively warning the Russians about.

I also disagree that Ukraine has motive. If anything this would hurt them. Nearly every modern military study has found that that attacks on civilians do nothing but strengthen the resolve of the attacked country. Ukraine wants Russian civilians to be disenchanted with fighting a pointless, economically catastrophic war. Killing Russian civilians indiscriminately would hurt this strategy.

You keep trying to assert that I’m claiming bizarre things to try to and discredit me. This isn’t the Daily Show where you create silly straw man scenarios to feel smart.

I would be surprised if the US was involved. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ukrainians were. I doubt Ukrainians were, but it is possible. If they had evidence someone they wanted dead was there or some rogue Ukrainian taking an opportunity. The point is we don’t know.

ISIS hasn’t been aggressive like this with Putin. Russias role in Syria with ISIS could be a contributor.

aside from the fact that his WH Press Secretary has consistently told whoppers to misinform the public, his state department officials have been called out in real time for misleading the public, and Biden himself has lied- here’s a specific example related to Biden not telling the truth about Russia.

Nordstream Pipeline
(CNN)President Joe Biden on Friday called the leaks in the Nord Stream pipelines a "deliberate act of sabotage" and accused Russia and President Vladimir Putin of "pumping out disinformation and lies," though he did not directly accuse Moscow for the leaks.

Biden's strong words mark the first time he's directly asserted that the leaks were a result of sabotage, pushing back on Russia's narrative about the incident amid Moscow's escalating efforts to assert its claim over Ukrainian territory.

Three months before saboteurs bombed the Nord Stream natural gas pipeline, the Biden administration learned from a close ally that the Ukrainian military had planned a covert attack on the undersea network, using a small team of divers who reported directly to the commander in chief of the Ukrainian armed forces.
Now this isn’t as directly dishonest as some of his staffs claims, but it shows that Biden has zero issue spewing bullshit after an event in Russia.

Nobody should trust anything the State Department or White House says on this
 

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You keep trying to assert that I’m claiming bizarre things to try to and discredit me. This isn’t the Daily Show where you create silly straw man scenarios to feel smart.

I would be surprised if the US was involved. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ukrainians were. I doubt Ukrainians were, but it is possible.

Ask a question for you to explain your statement regarding evidence and get told that I'm building a strawman lol.

If your only point is that the US likely knows more than it lets on or shares, then that's a pretty blasé take that not many will disagree with.
 

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Ask a question for you to explain your statement regarding evidence and get told that I'm building a strawman lol.

If your only point is that the US likely knows more than it lets on or shares, then that's a pretty blasé take that not many will disagree with.
9/11 positions and civilian motivations are interesting.

There’s a difference between knowing more than you share and not being honest. They know classified info, etc and won’t go into detail, get that. But like our border being literally overran and blaming the GOP Governor they are suing to stop or implying sabotage at Nordstream, whatever Biden says can’t be assumed to be true. His State Department people frequently lie about their failures abroad as well. Root cause is that the media doesn’t challenge a D administration. Nobody is demanding the truth.
 

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Lol of course fuck face putin is saying Ukraine was behind this. They were escaping to Belarus and there is photos of them with ISIS flags, but let's ignore that.
 

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Lol of course fuck face putin is saying Ukraine was behind this. They were escaping to Belarus and there is photos of them with ISIS flags, but let's ignore that.
And taking credit for it. And the US warning about an ISIS attack weeks ago.
 

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And taking credit for it. And the US warning about an ISIS attack weeks ago.

Bold move from Putin. If he keeps blaming Ukraine and ISIS pulls off another strike, he looks really weak. If the dictator can't even protect you from terrorists, what's he good for?

Russia relies on a lot of workers from the Stans, has a lot of disaffected workers in the Caucasus, and has been messing around in Syria for a while. They're more at risk for this than pretty much any other western country.
 

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I was hoping they were going after Putin.

 
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