Rumored Violations

[Hammer Of The Gods]

Is there anyone else secretly hoping that the players are guilty as all get-out?

If guilty: We lose talented football players for the rest of the season and possibly beyond. Notre Dame is praised for sticking to its principles, even if the wheels of justice might turn unnecessarily slowly.

If not guilty: We already lost talented football players for five games and probably six for absolutely no reason. Notre Dame is ridiculed by the media for taking months to look like they're tough on academic dishonestly only to cave to the whims of the football coach. ND is painted as "no different than the SEC."

Not sure why you would HOPE they are guilty. Whats the point of being a fan if that's the case? If we were watching from afar at say Michigan having a situation like this...maybe, but in essence rooting against your team...I hope you're rowing that boat alone.

I expect that they are guilty of something. I'm HOPING that whatever they are guilty of the 5,6,7 game suspension is the punishment, hopefully they can come in make some plays. DD and KVR hopefully can make enough noise to get drafted in the first 3,4 rounds and do they best they can.

 

[IrishLax]

Is there anyone else secretly hoping that the players are guilty as all get-out?

If guilty: We lose talented football players for the rest of the season and possibly beyond. Notre Dame is praised for sticking to its principles, even if the wheels of justice might turn unnecessarily slowly.

If not guilty: We already lost talented football players for five games and probably six for absolutely no reason. Notre Dame is ridiculed by the media for taking months to look like they're tough on academic dishonestly only to cave to the whims of the football coach. ND is painted as "no different than the SEC."

I do get where you're coming from.

In a sense... if they're guilty, it'd be better if they were REALLY guilty... like "yeah, we caught them cheating on 500 papers and they tried to hack into computers to change grades"... because in that case, the delays, etc. won't play as bad and it's much less of a potential negative crootin' tool.

 

[zonairish]

this school is not that efficient where they would eliminate email accounts in one day

 

[ginman]

I do get where you're coming from.

In a sense... if they're guilty, it'd be better if they were REALLY guilty... like "yeah, we caught them cheating on 500 papers and they tried to hack into computers to change grades"... because in that case, the delays, etc. won't play as bad and it's much less of a potential negative crootin' tool.

This may be a difference between alumni vs. subway fan

 

[koonja]

Is there anyone else secretly hoping that the players are guilty as all get-out?

If guilty: We lose talented football players for the rest of the season and possibly beyond. Notre Dame is praised for sticking to its principles, even if the wheels of justice might turn unnecessarily slowly.

If not guilty: We already lost talented football players for five games and probably six for absolutely no reason. Notre Dame is ridiculed by the media for taking months to look like they're tough on academic dishonestly only to cave to the whims of the football coach. ND is painted as "no different than the SEC."[/QUOTE]

I don't want them to be found guitly, but I follow both of your scenarios, but don't understand the bolded.

We held them out to investigate, found them not guilty and so they serve a punishment for no crime, and we're the SEC?

 

[Emcee77]

This may be a difference between alumni vs. subway fan

What do you mean by that? How so?

 

[ACamp1900]

I don't want them to be found guitly, but I follow both of your scenarios, but don't understand the bolded.

We held them out to investigate, found them not guilty and so they serve a punishment for no crime, and we're the SEC?

Hans Gruber of the SEC- "The topics that cannnot be normally misrepresented are misrepresented automatically in response to a Notre Dame incident. You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the E.S.P.N."

 

[ickythump1225]

I'm guessing there aren't too many people on here actually hoping for them to be guilty. Most folks actually like our players and don't wish ill will upon them.

I don't want them found guilty because A) obviously I support our players and hope they're able to continue pursuing their athletic endeavors and help ND and B) I don't want our administration to panic and start vacating wins that they wouldn't need to.

 

[Emcee77]

Hans Gruber of the SEC- "The topics that cannnot be normally misrepresented are misrepresented automatically in response to a Notre Dame incident. You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the E.S.P.N."

Haha awesome.

Alan Rickman is the best villain ever.

 

[Emcee77]

No part of me wants any of the kids to be found guilty.

 

[ginman]

What do you mean by that? How so?

I am a fan that did not attend ND and am less concerned with how the University is perceived. If I was an alum I can imagine I would be more concerned with the perception and image of the University. I admire that the University has high academic standards but am not as invested as if my degrees were from ND. If you wanted to torture yourself by rereading this thread you can see a generally different view held by alums vs. fans.

 

[Emcee77]

I am a fan that did not attend ND and am less concerned with how the University is perceived. If I was an alum I can imagine I would be more concerned with the perception and image of the University. I admire that the University has high academic standards but am not as invested as if my degrees were from ND. If you wanted to torture yourself by rereading this thread you can see a generally different view held by alums vs. fans.

Ah interesting.

Tbh, I would have thought the bias would be the opposite. I am an alum, I care deeply about the university, but I care very little about how it is perceived. That's how you feel about a family member, you know? Would you care if people hated your mother? Maybe in some sense, but you would love her just the same no matter what anyone else thought. I don't really give a shit what anyone thinks about ND. At most, all I want is for the institution to act with integrity so I can be proud to call myself an alum. And I may be different from others in that that pride is completely unaffected by what other people think. I am the type of person who is very confrontational about these things and I will happily argue all day with anyone who wants to hold things against ND unfairly. I have done; the Manti Teo fake girlfriend scandal probably cost me friends, lol. All I ask is that ND not make a liar out of me.

But maybe I'm the outlier, because wizards and Lax are alums and they seem to conform to your model.

 

[ginman]

Ah interesting.

Tbh, I would have thought the bias would be the opposite. I am an alum, I care deeply about the university, but I care very little about how it is perceived. That's how you feel about a family member, you know? Would you care if people hated your mother? Maybe in some sense, but you would love her just the same no matter what anyone else thought. I don't really give a shit what anyone thinks about ND. At most, all I want is for the institution to act with integrity so I can be proud to call myself an alum. And I may be different from others in that that pride is completely unaffected by what other people think. I am the type of person who is very confrontational about these things and I will happily argue all day with anyone who wants to hold things against ND unfairly. All I ask is that ND not make a liar out of me.

But maybe I'm the outlier, because wizards and Lax are alums and they seem to conform to your model.

That is why I say "generally." And, I agree with what you are saying, but I think for me that has come with some experience and maturity. In my earlier years when something or someone has been close and dear to me had been under scrutiny, my initial reaction would have been to rush to defend. I don't think that there is anything wrong with that, but now I am more likely to look at the same as an opportunity to look at the information and improve or adjust if needed.

 

[CarrollVermin]

How is this not over yet????

 

[Emcee77]

That is why I say "generally." And, I agree with what you are saying, but I think for me that has come with some experience and maturity. In my earlier years when something or someone has been close and dear to me had been under scrutiny, my initial reaction would have been to rush to defend. I don't think that there is anything wrong with that, but now I am more likely to look at the same as an opportunity to look at the information and improve or adjust if needed.

I'm not sure I see how this follows from my post. If it seemed like I was saying that I reflexively defend ND, I must have been unclear because I never meant to say that.

My point was that if people hold something against ND UNFAIRLY, i.e., they have a WRONG negative opinion about ND, that doesn't bother me at all because I have no problem setting them straight. True, there are plenty of instances where the polite or prudent thing to do when someone says something that you disagree with is just say nothing, and I do that too sometimes, but that's really beside the point, which was that I don't care in the first place. Or, I care enough to think it's worthwhile to set them straight as long as they are interested in talking with me, but I don't care whether they ever actually see the light. My relationship to ND has nothing to do with them.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

But maybe I'm the outlier, because wizards and Lax are alums and they seem to conform to your model.

There might not be three more different personalities on this board . . .

 

[Irish#1]

Dude, that looks awesome..

They are. I've had them twice! lol

 

[kmoose]

I don't think we'll hear anything today. I doubt BK was told the truth. They've obviously given zero fucks about telling him anything, much less accurate timeframes.

Before this turns into the University lying to BK, let's look at what was actually said:

Q. I know it's still early in the week but have you heard any updates about KeiVarae and the other guys?
COACH KELLY: The only thing I got yesterday was that there was a decision or decisions were imminent and the players would be notified.
And so imminent meant to me that today, tomorrow, something was imminent. But I have not as I stand in front of you have been notified by anybody in the university nor any of the players of any decisions regarding the hearings.

The "today or tomorrow" thing was not something that was told to BK. It was his interpretation of something he was told. So, if it turns out to be inaccurate, you can't say that he was lied to, or that the school was feeding him BS, or whatever.

 

[condoms SUCk]

People actually believe this

Yup, college bball is my personal preference.

 

[koonja]

College is fine, NBA is garbage.

People actually believe this

Yup, college bball is my personal preference.

I'm not a diehard of either, but IDK how you could watch NBA regular season. 2nd round of the playoffs and beyond, but nothing else consistently. Good college games are fun all season long, especially the entire tournament.

 

[Old Man Mike]

I'm hoping for everyone cleared, no news, everyone secretly practicing post being cleared, and North Carolina stunned to see them on the field in uniform, Daniels streaking towards the endzone with a linebacker defender on him because the DC assigned his CBs to guard Fuller and Robinson., unready for "Kelly Three Wide" stack.

 

[Irish#1]

I also have a feeling we are going to get news after the mail gets delivered today. No info.

You should know better by now. We'll get the news when we least expect it.

 

[Cali_domer]

You should know better by now. We'll get the news when we least expect it.

I don't expect it now, next year seems like the most likely for info to leak.

 

[IrishLax]

Let me be clear... I absolutely do not hope they're guilty. I hope that everyone is 100% in the clear and this was all some comically large misunderstanding. Odds of that are slim though.

But if they're guilty, I hope they're REALLY guilty... not like sorta guilty by letter of the law. I think it will calm a lot of angst if it's "yeah, we had a mountain of evidence of brazen cheating" instead of "ehhhh we interpreted some evidence to mean they likely cheated"... the latter opens up everything to prolonged angst, while the former is a clean break and we move on.

 

[Irish#1]

Let me be clear... I absolutely do not hope they're guilty. I hope that everyone is 100% in the clear and this was all some comically large misunderstanding. Odds of that are slim though.

But if they're guilty, I hope they're REALLY guilty... not like sorta guilty by letter of the law. I think it will calm a lot of angst if it's "yeah, we had a mountain of evidence of brazen cheating" instead of "ehhhh we interpreted some evidence to mean they likely cheated"... the latter opens up everything to prolonged angst, while the former is a clean break and we move on.

This is a no win situation regardless.

 

[OCIrish]

How is this not over yet????

Somebody forgot to add postage to the envelopes containing the verdicts......

 

[ndftbl]

I don't expect it now, next year seems like the most likely for info to leak.

Oxford Dictionary adds new definitions for previously misunderstood words.

"Quickly" - six weeks, minimum.

"Imminent" - three days, minimum.

 

[IrishLax]

Also, it's going to be hilarious (and sad) to watch how fast people flip on the players from supporting them throughout the whole process to super pissed at them for cheating when we end up vacating wins.

 

[ndftbl]

How is this not over yet????

Oxford Dictionary adds new definitions for previously misunderstood words.

"Quickly" - six weeks, minimum.

"Imminent" - three days, minimum.

 

[Irish#1]

Also, it's going to be hilarious (and sad) to watch how fast people flip on the players from supporting them throughout the whole process to super pissed at them for cheating when we end up vacating wins.

You know that's going to happen.