Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Hey let's take a break from the bickering. Can you guys help me with something?I want to be more in charge at work. They treat me like shit, I feel neglected and unheard. Here are some ideas I have to make things better and earn some respect. Please let me know what you think and share your suggestions.

1. Shout demands at my boss.
2. Lay in front of his car so he can't leave tonight.
3. Light his office on fire.....no scratch that, LIGHT MY OFFICE on fire.

This is an identical situation and a great contribution.

 

[connor_in]

That article, that entire site for that matter, is really off it's rocker. That's not journalism at all. Here is one part I take specific concern with:



I don't know why.... Maybe it was the same reason that made him steal from a convenient store and assault the owner. That isn't even something we don't know for sure, we know for a fact that it happened. So why would it be so "out of character" for him to talk back to an officer? Attack an officer when confronted? Maybe because he isn't just some sweet "18 year old kid preparing for college", but rather a criminal.

What is it about Michael Brown that people know that seemed so out of character? Because would those people also say that it was out of character for him to steal and assault from a convenient store?

Here...let me Vox-explain it to you...
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[dang227]

I have hesitated to comment in this thread but I believe the link speaks volumes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLCF4Tiqg4


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[GATTACA!]

This is an identical situation and a great contribution.

Yet it is still no more absurd in terms of problem solving

I have hesitated to comment in this thread but I believe the link speaks volumes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LQLCF4Tiqg4

I already embedded that a few pages back you jabroni

 

[dang227]

Yet it is still no more absurd in terms of problem solving



I already embedded that a few pages back you jabroni

Damnit. My bad. I didn't read all the pages.


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[ulukinatme]

Damnit. My bad. I didn't read all the pages.


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Don't feel bad, I haven't gotten through all of them either. Took long enough to go back through the last 24-48 hours

 

[SaltyND24]

No. If I am police officer being over powered by an individual much larger than me and said individual reaches for my firearm I believe I should have every right to protect myself. Put yourself in the position of the officer and ask yourself if you would like the chance to protect yourself in that same situation. There is nothing wrong with the law, the only problem is the race baiting media and worthless scumbags like Al Sharpton.

But by all accounts, the fatal shots weren't fired when the threat was at its greatest. He (Wilson) said once he got out his car he started to chase after him and the fatal shot was from 10-15 feet...That's all I'm saying. What happened in the car is one thing, but what happened afterward is another. That's from a threat perspective.

 

[Bluto]

And this would be a situation where if I did that, my life would be immediately in danger. That's where a lot of the outrage comes from. People have hurled threats at me, but only in a few instances did I truly feel threatened.

I think that's a huge point that a lot of white people miss all the time. Being a person of color puts you in a pressure cooker/defensive posture all the time. Particularly when you're in your teens and 20's based on my experience. Heap on top of that the general lack of respect, insensitivity and or stupidity from the dominate players (white males in my case) embodied in acts like dipshits dressing like "Mexicans" on Halloween who are then offended that you're offended because they're basically mocking your parents and it's a complete fuckin bummer sometimes.

You think the anger, frustration and general disapointment of being a ND fan is hard to deal with sometimes? Try being poor and black in this country.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

And this would be a situation where if I did that, my life would be immediately in danger. That's where a lot of the outrage comes from. People have hurled threats at me, but only in a few instances did I truly feel threatened.

Yep, that's the white privilege that people don't want to acknowledge. Not only the ability to not be affected by this decision, but the ability to not have their lives constantly threatened.

I'm sure I'll get lampooned for suggesting there's such a thing as white privilege.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

You think the anger, frustration and general disapointment of being a ND fan is hard to deal with sometimes? Try being poor and black in this country.

I just don't get why they don't try being not black and poor!

 

[Irish#1]

I think that's a huge point that a lot of white people miss all the time. Being a person of color puts you in a pressure cooker/defensive posture all the time. Particularly when you're in your teens and 20's based on my experience. Heap on top of that the general lack of respect, insensitivity and or stupidity from the dominate players (white males in my case) embodied in acts like dipshits dressing like "Mexicans" on Halloween who are then offended that you're offended because they're basically mocking your parents and it's a complete fuckin bummer sometimes.

You think the anger, frustration and general disapointment of being a ND fan is hard to deal with sometimes? Try being poor and black in this country.

You raise some good points. Will I ever be able to feel the pain or same emotions those less fortunate (regardless of race) feel? Of course not because I'm not them. That doesn't mean I don't feel for them or don't understand them. I'm a pretty objective person and have changed my mind more than once after seeing all the facts or hearing the arguments from both sides. The issue I have at the moment is how any fact presented that supports the grand juries decision is simply dismissed as a lie without any proof to back up their claim.

 

[Booslum31]

You raise some good points. Will I ever be able to feel the pain or same emotions those less fortunate (regardless of race) feel? Of course not because I'm not them. That doesn't mean I don't feel for them or don't understand them. I'm a pretty objective person and have changed my mind more than once after seeing all the facts or hearing the arguments from both sides. The issue I have at the moment is how any fact presented that supports the grand juries decision is simply dismissed as a lie without any proof to back up their claim.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good riot.

 

[Irish#1]

I just don't get why they don't try being not black and poor!

When I was in my early twenties, I was married with two kids and struggled to make ends meet. We probably lived at or just above the poverty level. I remember the night that I decided to change things very clearly. The house we lived in was old and run down. I got up at night to go to the bathroom. I see a cockroach crawling on my four year old daughter as she slept. I knew then and there I had to do something to better my families life. I changed the way I did things and kept looking until I found a better job that would allow me to improve our lifestyle. I'm happy to say we do pretty well these days. Anyone who wants to get out of their situation can if they really want to. It may take a lot of years and work, but it can be done if you stay focused.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Here's one of the witnesses admitting to being a racist.

https://news.vice.com/article/darren-wilson-to-grand-jury-i-had-to-kill-him

 

[Bluto]

Intersting article that provides some background and context.

How a Century of Racist Policies Made Ferguson Into a Pocket of Concentrated Despair | BillMoyers.com

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

McCullouch was never going to let this go to court.

 

[Bluto]

When I was in my early twenties, I was married with two kids and struggled to make ends meet. We probably lived at or just above the poverty level. I remember the night that I decided to change things very clearly. The house we lived in was old and run down. I got up at night to go to the bathroom. I see a cockroach crawling on my four year old daughter as she slept. I knew then and there I had to do something to better my families life. I changed the way I did things and kept looking until I found a better job that would allow me to improve our lifestyle. I'm happy to say we do pretty well these days. Anyone who wants to get out of their situation can if they really want to. It may take a lot of years and work, but it can be done if you stay focused.

I grew up poor too. The thing I would like to add is that being black adds that many more barriers and obstacles. It's kind of like this. If you're a rich, white male you damn near start at the finish line and if you fall down someone is there to pull your sorry ass across. If you're a poor white male you're starting at the starting line. Chances are you might get a bronze. If you're a poor, black male you're starting another 50 yards back, with ankle weights, a weight vest and someone put a couple land mines on the track.

 

[T Town Tommy]

When I was in my early twenties, I was married with two kids and struggled to make ends meet. We probably lived at or just above the poverty level. I remember the night that I decided to change things very clearly. The house we lived in was old and run down. I got up at night to go to the bathroom. I see a cockroach crawling on my four year old daughter as she slept. I knew then and there I had to do something to better my families life. I changed the way I did things and kept looking until I found a better job that would allow me to improve our lifestyle. I'm happy to say we do pretty well these days. Anyone who wants to get out of their situation can if they really want to. It may take a lot of years and work, but it can be done if you stay focused.

I grew up in extreme poverty. Took my first shower with indoor plumbing when I was a freshman in high school. My only hope to break that cycle of poverty at that point was education. I saw that as my ticket to at least bettering my situation. I committed at an early age to go to school and apply myself with everything I had. Even then, it was a struggle because there were so many that said I wouldn't make it. But I never quit and I never listened to the doubters. I told my God that if he would allow me to make it out, then I would do as much as I could when I was able to help those less fortunate than me. I eventually got into college at the age of 16 on a scholarship, graduated when I was 20, and went through some tough times until I was able to get me footing. Made some good decisions about my career, worked like a dog to get in the best positions to succeed, and have since been able to stand good on my promise to my God. And I will go to my grave trying to help those young people who come across my path to achieve things in their life they never thought imaginable.

I didn't play football at ND obviously but I fully understand when people here say 40 year decision. Education, hard work, dedication, and the ability to drown out the "noise" from others, will help those that are truly wanting to beat the odds. Every life is important. Mine is just one small part of them.

 

[pkt77242]

Here's one of the witnesses admitting to being a racist.

https://news.vice.com/article/darren-wilson-to-grand-jury-i-had-to-kill-him

from that article

McCulloch took the unusual step of presenting all possible evidence in the case to the grand jury, rather than just evidence that could establish probable cause for an indictment, as is often standard procedure in such proceedings. Legal experts have condemned this decision.

David Alan Sklansky, a professor at Stanford University Law School, told VICE News that he was troubled by McCulloch's public statements about the case, particularly the prosecutor's attempts to lay the lack of an indictment on the grand jury.

Prosecutors "rarely have trouble getting an indictment from a grand jury if they want an indictment," Sklansky said. "It is wrong to view the grand jury making a decision here unguided by the prosecutor. It's the prosecutor that has to decide how to present the case."

Sklansky added that he understands why people are now questioning the integrity of the grand jury proceedings.

"You want to have some assurances that the evidence was weighed carefully and impartially," he said. "I don't think [McCulloch's] comments reflect that it was. The prosecutor's office acted in ways that there are reasonable grounds for people to be concerned."

Here is Sklansky's link at Stanford if you are interested in his credentials.
https://www.law.stanford.edu/profile/david-alan-sklansky

 

[West Coast Domer]

I grew up poor too. The thing I would like to add is that being black adds that many more barriers and obstacles. It's kind of like this. If you're a rich, white male you damn near start at the finish line and if you fall down someone is there to pull your sorry ass across. If you're a poor white male you're starting at the starting line. Chances are you might get a bronze. If you're a poor, black male you're starting another 50 yards back, with ankle weights, a weight vest and someone put a couple land mines on the track.

Great points. My grandmother had a coworker that was black and he told her you will never know what is like to be black unless you are in their shoes. This was during the 70's. Racism is still alive no doubt about it and America has a long way still to go to improve this.

 

[GoIrish41]

I grew up poor too. The thing I would like to add is that being black adds that many more barriers and obstacles. It's kind of like this. If you're a rich, white male you damn near start at the finish line and if you fall down someone is there to pull your sorry ass across. If you're a poor white male you're starting at the starting line. Chances are you might get a bronze. If you're a poor, black male you're starting another 50 yards back, with ankle weights, a weight vest and someone put a couple land mines on the track.

This makes me sad.

 

[Irish#1]

I grew up poor too. The thing I would like to add is that being black adds that many more barriers and obstacles. It's kind of like this. If you're a rich, white male you damn near start at the finish line and if you fall down someone is there to pull your sorry ass across. If you're a poor white male you're starting at the starting line. Chances are you might get a bronze. If you're a poor, black male you're starting another 50 yards back, with ankle weights, a weight vest and someone put a couple land mines on the track.

I don't disagree that being black makes it tougher, but it's doable. You just have to stay focused and stay away from any temptation to take it easy or take the easier path.

 

[T Town Tommy]

I grew up poor too. The thing I would like to add is that being black adds that many more barriers and obstacles. It's kind of like this. If you're a rich, white male you damn near start at the finish line and if you fall down someone is there to pull your sorry ass across. If you're a poor white male you're starting at the starting line. Chances are you might get a bronze. If you're a poor, black male you're starting another 50 yards back, with ankle weights, a weight vest and someone put a couple land mines on the track.

I would have agreed with your scenerio 20-30 years ago. But not today. The key is to get an education, apply yourself, and then use the system to your advantage. Way too many systems in place for minorities today for them not to take advantage of it. How do I know? I live it and see it every day in my profession. Furthermore, you will experience racism... everyone does regardless of color... but you can either let that define you and box you in or you can continue to seek out those systems that will help allow you to overcome it. But it truly starts with the individual and their committment to drown out the "noise" and commit to bettering themselves... sometimes against very tough odds. Good luck and I will be praying for your success.

 

[Cackalacky]

Race/Off - The Daily Show - Video Clip | Comedy Central
Kind of apposite to Bluto's last few posts.

 

[SaltyND24]

I don't disagree that being black makes it tougher, but it's doable. You just have to stay focused and stay away from any temptation to take it easy or the easier path.

It is in fact doable, but it's easy for any of us to say, "Just stay focused" or "Stay away from temptation"...I agree that a very large part of the solution is education...but that's another big issue that could discussed to length's end. The real inequality is access, and how do you know where to go if you literally have no one to show you the way? The nation's best of the best aren't in the schools and areas that a great education would best serve. That's my opinion as one.

 

[calvegas04]

So justice was served but there is still no peace.... These people rioting need to change their slogan

 

[calvegas04]

I want this guy as my cities police chief

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[IrishLax]

Another one of the most legit criticism... reading through the stuff and articles that are as impartial as you can get... is that this was a relatively atypical grand jury process in terms of the amount of "defense" evidence available to the grand jury. It was almost a mini-trial, which is not really the purpose of grand juries.

 

[pkt77242]

Another one of the most legit criticism... reading through the stuff and articles that are as impartial as you can get... is that this was a relatively atypical grand jury process in terms of the amount of "defense" evidence available to the grand jury. It was almost a mini-trial, which is not really the purpose of grand juries.

Hey you stole my criticism. :starwars:

 

[BobD]

I turned into a shopping center on my way home from work tonight and there were people everywhere. My first thought was "shit I turned right into a protest" but upon further observation it was just an amazingly long Thanksgiving line at the Honey Baked Ham store.