Rees vs Golson/Hendrix

[Kak7304]

And actually if we had a good corner instead on Gary Grey that ball would have been knocked down. But then again we are talking about Gary. Not to mention none of this matter Kelly is going to stay with Rees

Gray is a good corner that has had a rough few games. If coaches benched every player that made big mistakes, Jonas Gray wouldn't have been able to redeem himself like he did today.

 

[irishff1014]

Gary is he hasn't made a good play yet

 

[DANsanity15]

George Atkinson and Aaron Lynch should play every position on the field...

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

Gary is he hasn't made a good play yet

This guy might need to have his stomach pumped tonight. I've never seen anyone so upset about an ND win in my life. Hold on to something and give 'er hell. We're gonna get through this.

 

[koonja]

George Atkinson and Aaron Lynch should play every position on the field...

And Heggie.

 

[Kak7304]

CBs don't always have to make big plays that show up in the stats. When Gray is covering well, he doesn't get thrown at and I'd say that's a pretty good play.

 

[Kak7304]

And Heggie.

Heggie at QB. Debate over.

 

[NDinFL]

Lol @Camaro crash helmet

seriously though... I try not to step on toes with this board, because I really like it here.

But really.. Shut. The. ****. Up. With all this "bench rees" bs. Hell! At least spell the kid's name right!

So what if Tommy lit it up for 23/27 for 324 and 4 td's AND WE LOST??

What do you say then?

"oh well we lost in spite of Tommy"

oh please... I'm in the same school of thought as phork..

Show me the scoreboard.... The haters can eat ****, and a lot of it...

So go ahead blame Tommy, but I would bet that Dayne wouldn't be able to bounce back and lead a game winning drive after being punched in the ****ing mouth all day.

 

[NDinFL]

So bench Rees for 1 guy who cant even crack the 2 deep and a true freshman who is undersized and turns it over in practice.

Jason I understand part of your frustration now...

This **** is ridiculous...

Go Irish, (btw we won)

lol

 

[military_irish]

I'm out of town and on my phone so it is hard to click through this whole thread. So I hope I don't repeat but if Kelly has already stated that he simplifies some things for Rees and he is the clear #2 at the beginning of the season and now #1. What makes anyone think that the offense will suddenly open up for two kids that are younger and clearly not grasping the offense yet? I just don't see it.

It also. Was a win today, so I'll take a QB that wins over one that has a good highlight reel.

 

[irishff1014]

the only ways Tommy won't play is if he gets hurt flat out. can we hope for a sprained ankle?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

the only ways Tommy won't play is if he gets hurt flat out. can we hope for a sprained ankle?

You're openly hoping that one of our scholar-athletes gets injured??? WTF? You're no fan... The Tiger has shown it's stripes here on this one post. Wow.

 

[jmurphy75]

the only ways Tommy won't play is if he gets hurt flat out. can we hope for a sprained ankle?

And you think an unproven QB is our answer? I guess that you've never played any sport at a high level. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but your profile pic leads me to believe that you are a fire fighter.....who would you rather follow into a burning building? a physically fit, and in shape lieutenant or one that ha been there before and brought everyone home safe? There is alot to be said about being a leader on the field that can't be put into something tangible. Tommy has it and the team sees it.

 

[Kak7304]

Golson and Hendrix have the higher ceiling and more physical tools, but Rees gives us the best chance to win, now.

 

[irishff1014]

And you think an unproven QB is our answer? I guess that you've never played any sport at a high level. I don't mean that disrespectfully, but your profile pic leads me to believe that you are a fire fighter.....who would you rather follow into a burning building? a physically fit, and in shape lieutenant or one that ha been there before and brought everyone home safe? There is alot to be said about being a leader on the field that can't be put into something tangible. Tommy has it and the team sees it.

If the leader can't get the job done right then he isn't a leader. It bad when the whole team has to keep picking him up becuase his turn over put them in a bad position.

 

[jmurphy75]

Lol @Camaro crash helmet

seriously though... I try not to step on toes with this board, because I really like it here.

But really.. Shut. The. ****. Up. With all this "bench rees" bs. Hell! At least spell the kid's name right!

So what if Tommy lit it up for 23/27 for 324 and 4 td's AND WE LOST??

What do you say then?

"oh well we lost in spite of Tommy"

oh please... I'm in the same school of thought as phork..

Show me the scoreboard.... The haters can eat ****, and a lot of it...

So go ahead blame Tommy, but I would bet that Dayne wouldn't be able to bounce back and lead a game winning drive after being punched in the ****ing mouth all day.

My football coach used to say that you really know what someone is made of by what they do after they've been punched in the face....step up or go home cryin to mommy

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

once/if we lose our 3rd game, then I can see the reason to turn to Hendrix just to see what he's got.. you have to see what he's got.. next year we could have a very nice squad that really could be a BCS threat, I just don't see Tommy being able to lead a team to the promise land.. that's just my opinion, but as a fan, I just want to see if we have a little diamond in the rough with Hendrix who only needs one chance.. I say we give him that chance, or else what's the point of bringing in 4-star QBs to sit them on the bench behind mediocre, turnover prone QBs?

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

I think if we can get up on Purdue by 20 we'll see some Hendrix.. and that would be his audition for future packages in bigger games (this season).

 

[Whiskeyjack]

once/if we lose our 3rd game, then I can see the reason to turn to Hendrix just to see what he's got.. you have to see what he's got.. next year we could have a very nice squad that really could be a BCS threat, I just don't see Tommy being able to lead a team to the promise land.. that's just my opinion, but as a fan, I just want to see if we have a little diamond in the rough with Hendrix who only needs one chance.. I say we give him that chance, or else what's the point of bringing in 4-star QBs to sit them on the bench behind mediocre, turnover prone QBs?

I have a really hard time seeing a 1st year starter guiding to a BCS berth against our murderous 2012 schedule.

 

[pkt77242]

once/if we lose our 3rd game, then I can see the reason to turn to Hendrix just to see what he's got.. you have to see what he's got.. next year we could have a very nice squad that really could be a BCS threat, I just don't see Tommy being able to lead a team to the promise land.. that's just my opinion, but as a fan, I just want to see if we have a little diamond in the rough with Hendrix who only needs one chance.. I say we give him that chance, or else what's the point of bringing in 4-star QBs to sit them on the bench behind mediocre, turnover prone QBs?

How many times do we have to shoot down this down. If they can't beat him out in practice what makes you think they will magically perform better in a game?

 

[Irish Insanity]

To me it just seems Tommy is starting to stumble under the presure of the situation. I think he holds firm and bounces back. I have faith, Ice T baby!

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

all I'm saying is you don't know what you've got until you try it out and see what you've got.. I'm being optimistic, sure, but who knows.. maybe they're not great in practice, but they get out there in front of 80,000 fans and just thrive in the situation.. a little off base here (difference between pros and college), but the Pats would have never known what they had in Brady until he got a shot.. some players are awesome practice players but then when situations arise in the games they fold and turn the ball over.. I'm not saying Hendrix is the answer, nor am I saying he can lead them to a BCS birth next year in his first year starting; however, I'm also not saying he can't.. we just don't know until he is given an opportunity, and when/if this team loses its third game, I say we really evaluate our QB position by giving others a shot to prove themselves on the field in real game situations.. we talkin about practice?

 

[arndtjc]

All I gotta say is 6-1, as a true sophomore, that's pretty damn good. He's led two game winning scoring drives. 10/11 on those two drives to bring the Irish in front with under four minutes to go (Michigoon with :30 of course) the defense held one time, and the other time, they cost him a loss.

Stop hating on the kid, he's the QB of the year for us, so deal with it

 

[NDinFL]

To me it just seems Tommy is starting to stumble under the presure of the situation. I think he holds firm and bounces back. I have faith, Ice T baby!

So by "stumble" you mean lead our offense to a game winning drive....

....right?

 

[NDinFL]

And jmurphy... Exactly!

As Whiskey posted on the Michigan game thread...

It took an MGo blogger to see the difference (gametime pics that WJ posted)

in the face of adversity Dayne looks lost

in the SAME situation Tommy looks determined

keep the stat sheets for yourselves, he could have only completed 3 passes today....

But when it matters, Tommy gets it. Period.

(this coming from one of the first guys on the Hendrix bandwagon preseason)

 

[MNIrish14]

Not to step on anyone's toes but this thread is probably one of the many reasons so many people hate Notre Dame. As a fan base we are calling for our starting quarterback's head...AFTER A WIN ON THE ROAD. Come on guys, stop being ridiculous.

 

[ThePiombino]

Not to step on anyone's toes but this thread is probably one of the many reasons so many people hate Notre Dame. As a fan base we are calling for our starting quarterback's head...AFTER A WIN ON THE ROAD. Come on guys, stop being ridiculous.

I would agree with you if Tommy's play was the exception and not the rule. We were able to overcome his turnovers this time, but will not be able to do so against most of the teams left on the schedule. If he doesn't better protect the ball OR get the hook for someone who will we are looking at a 7-5 record AT BEST.

THAT is why we are debating a QB change.

 

[MNIrish14]

I would agree with you if Tommy's play was the exception and not the rule. We were able to overcome his turnovers this time, but will not be able to do so against most of the teams left on the schedule. If he doesn't better protect the ball OR get the hook for someone who will we are looking at a 7-5 record AT BEST.

THAT is why we are debating a QB change.

And I'm saying, going into a foreign environment and competing at an elite level isn't easy for even the elite quarterbacks. Tommy did enough (albeit just enough lol) to get us a win against a BCS opponent on their home turf. I don't know about you guys, but that is enough evidence for me to support him going forward

 

[tankjeep]

And I'm saying, going into a foreign environment and competing at an elite level isn't easy for even the elite quarterbacks. Tommy did enough (albeit just enough lol) to get us a win against a BCS opponent on their home turf. I don't know about you guys, but that is enough evidence for me to support him going forward

i agree wholeheartedly. and this was tommy's 7th start, right? there are going to be some growing pains. also, i don't think brian kelly and molnar called a good game too. i know rees is suppose to read the defense and he makes the final decision for the play, but i feel that bk didn't put him in good positions to at least make a good read(s).

 

[Old Man Mike]

I guess I'll try to max out on unpopularity by going somewhere in the middle of these opinions to hack everyone off. My theory: Kelly shows up at ND evaluates QBs and thinks: Gawd, we could be in real trouble. He notes Dayne's superb measurables and, although he knows he doesn't fit the system, crosses his fingers. Looking around, he sees a legendary QBs son, who is fairly calm-minded but talent challenged, and a young buck with coolness in his eyes. "Lord, save me! He mutters".

He does his best to try to organize a non-embarrassing offense, thankful for O-Line studs and skill people. It still doesn't work real well, and the "star" goes down. "Lord, give me a break". The kid turns out to be OK if things don't get too complex, Kelly puts his brave smile on, says a thankful goodbye to the season with a hidden serious concern.

2011: Things haven't improved that much. The "other two" QBs are miles away from being ready, so it's the same choice. Kelly goes with the stud and hopes. He doesn't like something that, as an experienced QB coach, he has seen many times in the eyes of failed quarterbacks. Horrified, there it is in Dayne's eyes after just one half of real ball. He shakes his head: DAMMIT. Tommy has to play.

Kelly knows Tommy isn't really ready but he's readier than anyone else. Can the O-Line, runners, and great receivers mask it?? Coach knows there will be times when the D-Coordinators push the magic confusion buttons and we'll be in trouble. Can we survive?? [The last thing that he will do is talk like this to the press or Tommy]. He designs as simple an offense as he can to the youngster's strengths, hopes that the DCs aren't brilliant, and sends his QB out there on a wing and a prayer.

Again, Coach is hoping to survive a season without a fully functional QB, a problem few other coaches in the major programs are fighting nearly as hard. He's hoping Tommy will slowly "see" the things that he does not yet see. At least there is the correct look in his eyes which indicates a nervous constitution appropriate for the position. Kelly doesn't believe that "learning on the job" is anyone's idea of a great situation, but he can't do anything about it. He admits to himself that, as he suspected, he has NO quarterback right now really up to the task. The best that he can do is put his closest one out there, be supportive, and hope for continual awareness breakthroughs.

Kelly exhales after the Pitt game and goes to the Grotto.