Redskins

[IrishInFl]

RG3 is the real deal. Smart, strong armed, accurate, and can run if needed. He will be a superstar, I have no doubts. With that said, this may bite them in the ***, ala my Vikings trading for Herschell Walker.

 

[InKellyITrust]

In my opinion, the Redskins had to make this move. They're not giving up 3 first rounders, it's 2 first rounders, swapping a 1st and a 2nd. That is a lot especially for a team that's in the rebuilding process but they had a great draft last year. Also, keep in mind how teams draft. Think of all the first round busts. I think of the Eagles trading up and drafting Brandon Graham two years ago and he hasn't done a thing in the NFL. In my opinion, Griffin will be better than Romo and Vick in 2-3 years.

 

[irishff1014]

I am a skins fan. I am pretty Glag that we are getting RGIII but i believe they gave to much up for him. We do have Around 40 million to spend on free agents but alot of that is going to go Fletcher to keep him. If he walks our defense takes a huge hit. And with Landry leaving cause i don't see them resigning him. He is injury prone and is going to want a boat load of money. The skins have done a lot of stupid stuff in the offseson that has NEVER paided off so until i see that change i am not going to get over excited. But the Question i wonder about is RGIII better then Matt Barkley???

 

[IrishLax]

This is a good move.

The Skins are betting on being able to address needs with FAs instead of through the draft... this has never worked for them before, but when you consider their primary needs are CB, S, and secondary needs are WR, ILB, OL... it's not that hard to address needs at CB, S, WR, and ILB through free agents.

Their biggest need was QB and as it has been proven time and time again it's nearly impossible to land a franchise QB through the FA wire or trades. They had to do whatever it took to get RGIII or purposely tank all of next season to get Barkley.

 

[irishff1014]

This is a good move.

The Skins are betting on being able to address needs with FAs instead of through the draft... this has never worked for them before, but when you consider their primary needs are CB, S, and secondary needs are WR, ILB, OL... it's not that hard to address needs at CB, S, WR, and ILB through free agents.

Their biggest need was QB and as it has been proven time and time again it's nearly impossible to land a franchise QB through the FA wire or trades. They had to do whatever it took to get RGIII or purposely tank all of next season to get Barkley.

I understand what you are saying but 40 million really isn't that much money to address the needs of this team.

 

[IrishLax]

Expect the Redskins to go out and get Vincent Jackson and Cortland Finnegan or another one of a couple really good CBs out there. Then they might also try to address the need at S be re-signing injury prone Laron Landry.... he's great when he's healthy.

If they don't grab Landry, then expect them to go get a couple safeties late in the draft. Everything will work out... but the real winner is clearly the Rams who will have the picks to absolutely load up with young talent.

 

[IrishLax]

I understand what you are saying but 40 million really isn't that much money to address the needs of this team.

How is it not? They are 45 mil under the cap right now... they only need two "big name" FAs and those are a CB and a WR. They can give both Finnegan and Vincent Jackson something absurd like $10 mil a year and still have another $25 mil to play with.

 

[irishff1014]

All the teams that need a very good Wr i doubt VJ will come that cheap. Finnegan i can see he is pretty good and matched up with Hall that wouldn't be a bad combo. We still need to sign Fletcher because he is the heart of the defense. Now that i look at it we could get a good number of players for 45 million. I know it isn't the best move but we could sign Zibby to play safety. And we have only really need one more WR since they drafted Hankerson last year.

 

[Grahambo]

Everyone thought the Giants gave up to much for Eli too. If I'm a 'Skins fan, I'm happy. If I'm a Rams fan, I'm beyond estatic. Skins had to overpay to get it. It was a fight with Cleveland. If the Skins don't stack up their Oline, they are in trouble. See: Vick.

A cheaper, better option than V. Jackson would be Manningham. Giants aren't resigning him. Snyder can not screw this up. He gave up a lot no doubt but RGIII is no Akili Smith.

That OL should be a priority. I'm a Giants fan too so this is an unbiased opinion. I would look to deal Fletcher, Landry etc. Get some fresh blood. Freeney is available. Just saying.

 

[irishff1014]

Finnegan is shooting for around 10 million a year.

Here are the top 10 contacts given out to WRs as ranked by dollars per year:





Player

Length

Total $

Guar. $

Signing Bonus



Larry Fitzgerald

8 years

$128.5M

$50M

$10M



Calvin Johnson

6 years

$55.5M

$27.178M

$2.502M



Brandon Marshall

5 years

$47.3M

$12.5M

$5.5M



Andre Johnson

7 years

$62.7M

$48M

$2.8M



Miles Austin

7 years

$57.168M

$18M

$0



Roddy White

6 years

$48M

$18.6M

$6M



Steve Smith

6 years

$43.85

?

$9.3M



Anquan Boldin

4 years

$28M

$10M

$0



Greg Jennings

4 years

$26.885M

$16.25M

$11.25M



Reggie Wayne

6 years

$39.5M

$13.5M

$12.5M

I wouldn't think that he would be up there with Johnson and Fitzgerald.

 

[irishff1014]

Everyone thought the Giants gave up to much for Eli too. If I'm a 'Skins fan, I'm happy. If I'm a Rams fan, I'm beyond estatic. Skins had to overpay to get it. It was a fight with Cleveland. If the Skins don't stack up their Oline, they are in trouble. See: Vick.

A cheaper, better option than V. Jackson would be Manningham. Giants aren't resigning him. Snyder can not screw this up. He gave up a lot no doubt but RGIII is no Akili Smith.

That OL should be a priority. I'm a Giants fan too so this is an unbiased opinion. I would look to deal Fletcher, Landry etc. Get some fresh blood. Freeney is available. Just saying.

Landry yes i can see him walking but not Fletcher. We have to really good pass rushers in Orakpo and Kerrigan. And trading for Freeney would take 14 million away from getting other players no thanks.

 

[irishog77]

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[IrishLax]

Everyone thought the Giants gave up to much for Eli too. If I'm a 'Skins fan, I'm happy. If I'm a Rams fan, I'm beyond estatic. Skins had to overpay to get it. It was a fight with Cleveland. If the Skins don't stack up their Oline, they are in trouble. See: Vick.

A cheaper, better option than V. Jackson would be Manningham. Giants aren't resigning him. Snyder can not screw this up. He gave up a lot no doubt but RGIII is no Akili Smith.

That OL should be a priority. I'm a Giants fan too so this is an unbiased opinion. I would look to deal Fletcher, Landry etc. Get some fresh blood. Freeney is available. Just saying.

Good points by you and irishff... I bolded the only part I disagree with. Skins are playing a 3-4 and I don't think Freeney fits. If they're going to go spend money I think it needs to be on interior linemen.

 

[irishog77]

What the hell????? I can make short posts.

 

[ND NYC]

this trade certainly takes the saints bounty program off the front page

whats more shocking to me than this trade is that the jets extended sanchez--that was the dumbest move of the offseason IMO.

 

[irishff1014]

this trade certainly takes the saints bounty program off the front page

whats more shocking to me than this trade is that the jets extended sanchez--that was the dumbest move of the offseason IMO.

I can agree with that. He is not close to being worth 13.5 million a season.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Wait...so now it's a question about smarts and accuracy??? If this was a trade to get Luck would it still be that crappy of a trade??? Is RGIII not smart because he went to Baylor as opposed to Stanford??? Everyone and their mom has been raving about Luck being the next great QB and he has thrown the same number of passes in the NFL as RGIII....He has just as much upside as he does imo, but maybe I'm crazy!!! Newton came in not nearly as polished a passer as RGIII is coming into the league and look at what he was able to accomplish!!!!

1. Who said he is not smart?

2. What is you avatar? Can anyone help me who those guys are?

 

[Grahambo]

Good points by you and irishff... I bolded the only part I disagree with. Skins are playing a 3-4 and I don't think Freeney fits. If they're going to go spend money I think it needs to be on interior linemen.

I wouldn't argue that about Freeney. Just throwing out a name. Freeney on one side with Kerrigan and Orakpo would be a thing of beauty. I mention dumping Fletcher because he is old and should look to upgrade with youth. Sounds dumb but what they have now needs a bit of a makeover. Need fresh faces and new blood.

I know I mention bringing in young guys but one guy I'd look at would be Kareem McKenzie to play RT. 32 years old but durable and dependable. Also has two rings. Manningham has one. You get where I'm going with that.

Always remember, can never have enough pass rushers.

 

[SaltyND24]

1. Who said he is not smart?

2. What is you avatar? Can anyone help me who those guys are?

NDinFL was saying that being smart and accurate is more important than being able to outrun a defensive end... implying that RGIII is neither smart nor accurate...As for the avatar, it's Luck, Newton, and RGIII in the 40 at the NFL combine

 

[Rhode Irish]

NDinFL was saying that being smart and accurate is more important than being able to outrun a defensive end... implying that RGIII is neither smart nor accurate...As for the avatar, it's Luck, Newton, and RGIII in the 40 at the NFL combine

He's definitely fast as hell. I'm not convinced that he is destined for stardom in the NFL. Its nothing personal against him, I've just seen too many skill guys who dominate in college fail to translate that into the NFL. So, for that reason, I think Washington gave up WAY to much. Like, laughably, ridiculously too much. I would expect a fan that paints his face and his chest for games to make this trade. I wouldn't expect professional personnel men be so foolish.

 

[SaltyND24]

He's definitely fast as hell. I'm not convinced that he is destined for stardom in the NFL. Its nothing personal against him, I've just seen too many skill guys who dominate in college fail to translate that into the NFL. So, for that reason, I think Washington gave up WAY to much. Like, laughably, ridiculously too much. I would expect a fan that paints his face and his chest for games to make this trade. I wouldn't expect professional personnel men be so foolish.

I respect your opinion Rhode...I just happen to disagree with it. I feel as if two future 1st-rounders and this years 2nd in essentially what was a 3-team bidding war was as expected. I think the closer to the draft it got, the asking price would've been even more ridiculous...I saw a few mock drafts that said the Redskins may possibly have taken Tannehill at 6 (before this deal was done)...If Tannehill becomes a stud (like i feel Luck and RGIII) will be, it would sting slightly because of the future picks given up....We're betting on the fact that someone of RGIII's talent can make the guys around him better and from what I've seen so far, he has all those intangibles...

 

[NDinFL]

NDinFL was saying that being smart and accurate is more important than being able to outrun a defensive end... implying that RGIII is neither smart nor accurate...As for the avatar, it's Luck, Newton, and RGIII in the 40 at the NFL combine

I could see how it would come across that way, but I assure you I never meant to imply RGIII was dumb.

My point is, you can have a freakish 40 time, shuttle time, vertical, etc... And that has very little to do with being a successful QB in the league.

Guys like Eli, Peyton, Brady, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, etc... Kind of prove the point.

Being able to recognize a zone blitz, Pre-snap, call the appropriate audible, then go through your progressions and find the open receiver.

^far more difficult and more important in the NFL

And I guess to clarify a little further, I watched 3 of RGIII's games this year, and while he is an amazing athlete I didn't see many Pre-snap adjustments, as opposed to busted play improvisations.

The latter of those two being far easier against the UW's of the NCAA rather than the Steelers or Ravens...

 

[NDinFL]

I respect your opinion Rhode...I just happen to disagree with it. I feel as if two future 1st-rounders and this years 2nd in essentially what was a 3-team bidding war was as expected. I think the closer to the draft it got, the asking price would've been even more ridiculous...I saw a few mock drafts that said the Redskins may possibly have taken Tannehill at 6 (before this deal was done)...If Tannehill becomes a stud (like i feel Luck and RGIII) will be, it would sting slightly because of the future picks given up....We're betting on the fact that someone of RGIII's talent can make the guys around him better and from what I've seen so far, he has all those intangibles...

Also Salty, I completely agree with the idea of "Trading up to get your guy" in the draft.

My biggest problem is the fact that they basically just handed the Rams a potential Fort Knox for this one pick....

 

[SaltyND24]

I could see how it would come across that way, but I assure you I never meant to imply RGIII was dumb.

My point is, you can have a freakish 40 time, shuttle time, vertical, etc... And that has very little to do with being a successful QB in the league.

Guys like Eli, Peyton, Brady, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, etc... Kind of prove the point.

Being able to recognize a zone blitz, Pre-snap, call the appropriate audible, then go through your progressions and find the open receiver.

^far more difficult and more important in the NFL

And I guess to clarify a little further, I watched 3 of RGIII's games this year, and while he is an amazing athlete I didn't see many Pre-snap adjustments, as opposed to busted play improvisations.

The latter of those two being far easier against the UW's of the NCAA rather than the Steelers or Ravens...

Well, since you have clarified your point, I'll apologize for jumping on you good sir...Now, I know the Redskins gave a bevy of picks to the Rams...I don't think they still get up on the 49ers level, but at least we screwed Pete Carroll's chances of (ever) going to the playoffs...YOU'RE ALL WELCOME

As for the Rams, I think Bradford can be special...His rookie year was great, but then he took a step back last year...He's had a history of injuries...For his sake, because I like the kid, I hope he can be healthy but that should be a huge storyline for them in the next few years

 

[NDinFL]

Well, since you have clarified your point, I'll apologize for jumping on you good sir...Now, I know the Redskins gave a bevy of picks to the Rams...I don't think they still get up on the 49ers level, but at least we screwed Pete Carroll's chances of (ever) going to the playoffs...YOU'RE ALL WELCOME

As for the Rams, I think Bradford can be special...His rookie year was great, but then he took a step back last year...He's had a history of injuries...For his sake, because I like the kid, I hope he can be healthy but that should be a huge storyline for them in the next few years

No worries Salty, I should have been a little more specific.

With Bradford, I can completely agree, he regressed slightly last year, but with these picks, I mean they can basically have 1st rounders at half the positions on the field at any given point.

Couple that with the fact Bradford has elite potential (IMO) and the Rams could be dangerous in a year or two (can't believe I said that)

 

[ND NYC]

when you have had 17 starting QBs in the last 13 years...you (washington) have to make a move like this.

this is a QB league

did they overpay of course they did but rg3 is what that franchise needs.
im a giant fan and i wish pox on the skins but while shocking i dont think its a terrible move on their part.

 

[IrishLax]

when you have had 17 starting QBs in the last 13 years...you (washington) have to make a move like this.

this is a QB league

did they overpay of course they did but rg3 is what that franchise needs.
im a giant fan and i wish pox on the skins but while shocking i dont think its a terrible move on their part.

Exactly. Yes, they overpaid. Yes, they absolutely had to do it. Both teams win here... but the Rams win more. The Redskins are 100% banking on free agents to fill their holes.... and that's mighty dangerous... but they had little choice.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Exactly. Yes, they overpaid. Yes, they absolutely had to do it. Both teams win here... but the Rams win more. The Redskins are 100% banking on free agents to fill their holes.... and that's mighty dangerous... but they had little choice.

I can see the point on doing whatever you have to do to get your guy, and there is some merit to that. I also think draft picks are so unbelievably valuable. My philosophy for building a team is to do it almost exclusively through the draft, and use free agency to add one piece here and there every once in while.

If you look around the NFL, very few championship-caliber clubs are built through free agency. Many teams have tried, and it hasn't worked. That includes the Redskins, who have proven to be especially inept at building through free agency.

Drafting an athlete QB and then committing to build the rest of your roster through late-round picks and free agency seems like a very high-risk approach to me.

 

[irishpat183]

Love the move. When you are in the position that my Skins have been in over the last decade or so, if you have a chance to go and get a guy that you believe can be that franchise QB, especially one that looks as talented as RG3, you do it.

We can sign WR's and fill other needs in later rounds.

I think what is different now, is that Shanny has a lot more control over FA moves than coaches had in the past. I trust Shanny to make some wise moves in regards to FA's. Where before, it was more about shock value to sell tickets.

You can build around a franchise QB....but you can't do anything in this league without a QB (yes, I know teams have done it...but those are extreme exceptions, not the rule)