QB situation

[Irish#1]

So no one wants Book to be our QB? Lol

It’s very simple.and many have said it. Book is not going to get any better. He is what he is. Start him next week and alternate series with Phil then start Phil the rest of the season.

 

[Irishize]

I'm all in on PJ. Let's see what we've got. If he sucks too then it's time for a new OC in 2020.

And then PJ should be regressing about this time next year so we’ll be calling for Clark or Pyne. Kidding.

 

[Sea Turtle]

And then PJ should be regressing about this time next year so we’ll be calling for Clark or Pyne. Kidding.

Yep. That's what I'm afraid of.

 

[BobbyMac]

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Come on Circa... Don't trust El Crusado?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

So no one wants Book to be our QB? Lol



It&#146;s very simple.and many have said it. Book is not going to get any better. He is what he is. Start him next week and alternate series with Phil then start Phil the rest of the season.

Thats the plan I’m looking for. Book and PJ have to split first team reps in practice this week. Now in the game it doesn’t have to be alternating series, but I would like to see at least giving Phil 40% of series. And if he does OK then start him at Duke, but Book better be prepared as it would be Phil’s first road start. Chip Long and Brian Kelly need to have a plan that exploits what Phil does well. Mean play to his strengths, don’t run the same offense for both Book and Phil.


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[nd_fan]

And then PJ should be regressing about this time next year so we’ll be calling for Clark or Pyne. Kidding.

If Kelly is the coach, absolutely expect it. By this time next year, people are gonna be calling for the back up QB to PJ to start and scratching their heads wondering why PJ has regressed so much. Nothing will change in BK era of dud QBs.

 

[Crazy Balki]

For those fearing that starting Phil now will just speed up the regression, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Playing him now isn't going to change things. Best to find out what ND has in Jurkovec and get him some legitimate experience, rather than going in blind next season.

We knew in 2017 that Wimbush struggled initially to pass the football but not seeing him at all in 2016 made it so we also didn't anticipate him not improving later in the year.

I'd rather Phil get his feet wet and have some experience and positive momentum going into the offseason, rather than expecting him to take over the offense without any sort of buffer in 2020.

I'd understand the hesitancy to do so if Book was at least solid, but that simply isn't it. He's been horrible against anything close to resembling a decent defense this year. Change is needed.

If Phil stagnates, then that's probably an overdue signal that Kelly needs to step down and we need a fresh face to take over.

 

[GATTACA!]

If Kelly is the coach, absolutely expect it. By this time next year, people are gonna be calling for the back up QB to PJ to start and scratching their heads wondering why PJ has regressed so much. Nothing will change in BK era of dud QBs.

Lol at people thinking Kelly won't start Book next year too. Kelly is loyal to his guys beyond reason. Clemson plays everyone on their roster. They get their young guys experience constantly and it shows.

 

[NDRock]

Lol at people thinking Kelly won't start Book next year too. Kelly is loyal to his guys beyond reason. Clemson plays everyone on their roster. They get their young guys experience constantly and it shows.

Clemson gets better players, which helps. Per Rivals, they have recruited 17 fives star kids the last five years. We have Daelin Hayes. He played in 8 games as a Freshman.

 

[Irish#1]

For those fearing that starting Phil now will just speed up the regression, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Playing him now isn't going to change things. Best to find out what ND has in Jurkovec and get him some legitimate experience, rather than going in blind next season.

We knew in 2017 that Wimbush struggled initially to pass the football but not seeing him at all in 2016 made it so we also didn't anticipate him not improving later in the year.

I'd rather Phil get his feet wet and have some experience and positive momentum going into the offseason, rather than expecting him to take over the offense without any sort of buffer in 2020.

I'd understand the hesitancy to do so if Book was at least solid, but that simply isn't it. He's been horrible against anything close to resembling a decent defense this year. Change is needed.

If Phil stagnates, then that's probably an overdue signal that Kelly needs to step down and we need a fresh face to take over.

Yep, You need a QB with a F You attitude that digs in deeper when thing get tough. Book doesn't have that.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

PJ time. Book is awful.

 

[RDU Irish]

From this SI article:
https://www.si.com/college/notredame/football/notre-dame-football-key-takeaways-michigan/



Not an elite or even top tier QB.

I would settle for almost competent at this point. Looks like Scooby Doo back there and it is embarrassing.

 

[notredomer23]

I'd rather go 9-3 with Phil than 10-2 with Book

 

[Irishize]

For those fearing that starting Phil now will just speed up the regression, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Playing him now isn't going to change things. Best to find out what ND has in Jurkovec and get him some legitimate experience, rather than going in blind next season.

We knew in 2017 that Wimbush struggled initially to pass the football but not seeing him at all in 2016 made it so we also didn't anticipate him not improving later in the year.

I'd rather Phil get his feet wet and have some experience and positive momentum going into the offseason, rather than expecting him to take over the offense without any sort of buffer in 2020.

I'd understand the hesitancy to do so if Book was at least solid, but that simply isn't it. He's been horrible against anything close to resembling a decent defense this year. Change is needed.

If Phil stagnates, then that's probably an overdue signal that Kelly needs to step down and we need a fresh face to take over.

Better start hoping for Book to put up more bad performances then b/c they aren’t changing until Book gives them no choice. Look at all the QB-related threads....I don’t see too many folks defending Book remaining as QB1....they just know BK is stubborn & won’t replace him.

The real question is why do they believe PJ is not ready? I no longer think it’s his skillset. Pete Sampson referred to coaches not being confident that PJ can run their system yet. WHY THE HELL NOT!!!! How are you going to recruit an elite QB prospect when you’ve proven it takes a minimum two years for them to learn the system and see the field?

 

[Irishize]

I'd rather go 9-3 with Phil than 10-2 with Book

I’d see 9-3 or 8-4 is a real possibility with either one.

It’s been roughly two years since the Miami debacle and ND had built up equity w/ media & fans over that time to be a credible contender. Last Saturday reset them right back where they were: “overrated”, “Irrelevant”, “join a conference”& any other BS tag that haters love to label us with.

 

[sharksamardzija8345]

For those fearing that starting Phil now will just speed up the regression, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. Playing him now isn't going to change things. Best to find out what ND has in Jurkovec and get him some legitimate experience, rather than going in blind next season.

We knew in 2017 that Wimbush struggled initially to pass the football but not seeing him at all in 2016 made it so we also didn't anticipate him not improving later in the year.

I'd rather Phil get his feet wet and have some experience and positive momentum going into the offseason, rather than expecting him to take over the offense without any sort of buffer in 2020.

I'd understand the hesitancy to do so if Book was at least solid, but that simply isn't it. He's been horrible against anything close to resembling a decent defense this year. Change is needed.

If Phil stagnates, then that's probably an overdue signal that Kelly needs to step down and we need a fresh face to take over.

We’re already there, mate. We’re a few months/years there...

 

[Irishize]

It’s year 10 & the Gug is still telling beat writers, “just wait in two years when (insert next great QB recruit) gets here”. Wimbush, Jurkovec & now Buchner

 

[Luckylucci]

BK said in his Monday Morning presser that there is no QB controversy and no change coming. He did leave the door cracked open for Phil to gets some plays but no change for Saturday.

 

[IrishFaninTX]

Better start hoping for Book to put up more bad performances then b/c they aren’t changing until Book gives them no choice. Look at all the QB-related threads....I don’t see too many folks defending Book remaining as QB1....they just know BK is stubborn & won’t replace him.

The real question is why do they believe PJ is not ready? I no longer think it’s his skillset. Pete Sampson referred to coaches not being confident that PJ can run their system yet. WHY THE HELL NOT!!!! How are you going to recruit an elite QB prospect when you’ve proven it takes a minimum two years for them to learn the system and see the field?

You don't think Book have them a reason to replace him? Saturday was worse than Clemson and Michigan is nowhere close to as good as Clemson was last year

 

[BabyIrish]

BK said in his Monday Morning presser that there is no QB controversy and no change coming. He did leave the door cracked open for Phil to gets some plays but no change for Saturday.

Just for clarity sake too, BK went so far to say "If I felt like playing Phil for four plays would make us a better football team, I would do it in a second. This is not about an ego. I want to win football games by playing the best football players that will help us win. That's as honest as I can be."

Very disheartening words that he doesn't think PJ even offers a small amount of ability to help them win football games.

 

[IrishLax]

Cool, now someone ask him about White and Finke.

 

[koonja]

When BK's faced with the obvious, he digs in even further.

Classic.

 

[Luckylucci]

Just for clarity sake too, BK went so far to say "If I felt like playing Phil for four plays would make us a better football team, I would do it in a second. This is not about an ego. I want to win football games by playing the best football players that will help us win. That's as honest as I can be."

Very disheartening words that he doesn't think PJ even offers a small amount of ability to help them win football games.

This seems to be the status quo response though, right? I don't take this as a reflection of Phil as much as I do they are sticking with Book and want him to feel 100% comfortable. Not saying it's right (because I don't), but this seems pretty similar to what he said with Wimbush before Book eventually took over.

 

[BabyIrish]

This seems to be the status quo response though, right? I don't take this as a reflection of Phil as much as I do they are sticking with Book and want him to feel 100% comfortable. Not saying it's right (because I don't), but this seems pretty similar to what he said with Wimbush before Book eventually took over.

Oh certainly I think Phil gives us the best chance to win now and certainly in the future, its just disheartening that he may not be given a shot to even though Book has been the worst player on offense by a mile.

 

[Pops Freshenmeyer]

Eh, he's got to be 100% in Ian's corner until he decides to make that change.

I understand not making a change yet, even though I was kind of hoping for one. But if the offense struggles again and can't overcome it's obvious and consistent inadequacies against one of these lesser opponents...

 

[Luckylucci]

Oh certainly I think Phil gives us the best chance to win now and certainly in the future, its just disheartening that he may not be given a shot to even though Book has been the worst player on offense by a mile.

Got it, I thought you were saying that it's disheartening because it must mean Phil isn't very good.

I understand that it's a very difficult decision to sit Book and start Phil come Saturday. And, that might be a little much to ask. However, I think after Book's performance against UM now is the time to at least give Phil some series to see what he has in meaningful situations.

 

[Irish#1]

Eh, he's got to be 100% in Ian's corner until he decides to make that change.

I understand not making a change yet, even though I was kind of hoping for one. But if the offense struggles again and can't overcome it's obvious and consistent inadequacies against one of these lesser opponents...

Spot on. If he starts Phil this week, he could lose the team. He's going to support Book publicly, start him and work Phill in a little. I can see Phil getting a series in the first half and one or two in the second half, depending on how the game is going. Look for VT to beg Book to beat them with his arm.

 

[ThePiombino]

BK said in his Monday Morning presser that there is no QB controversy and no change coming. He did leave the door cracked open for Phil to gets some plays but no change for Saturday.

Not surprised. Annoyed AF, but not surprised.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Would have been shocked if BK moved on from Book. I think odds are Book is the starter next season too.

 

[condoms SUCk]

My biggest problem with Book is I don’t think his physical limitations are the issue. He can make all the throws we’re asking him to make. He just either doesn’t see them, understand the route concepts, go through his progressions, gets spooked by movement, etc.

There are just too many in-game examples of him not being able to execute the offense when there are plays to be made. And his unwillingness to throw over the middle is essentially rendering some of the playbook useless. Hard for Long to call an offense with a QB that in-game is refusing to do so.

I'm in the same boat with you. I am giving Long a pass on this cluster F#%@ until we get a QB who can actually SEE the whole field, stay in the pocket for more then 2 seconds and throw the call farther than 20 yrds.