QB Competition during the spring

[Sweetness34]

Now that right there is funny. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

It's reality! The truth hurts sometime.

 

[Sweetness34]

This the same guy that can complete 5 of 19 passing ??????

Yes, that guy from Huber Heights Wayne Ohio,the Big Ten freshman of the year, the guy who is more talented than any other QB on the ND roster. If he had ND's coaching he would be ridiculous. I guess we'll see in the next 3 years. Remember that I am a ND fan, I'm just being truthful. Back to the topic, I hope Everett wins the job.

 

[DillonHall]

It's pretty ridiculous to judge a true freshman that harshly, especially when his best offensive weapons are suspended for a large chunk of the season.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Guys on the II podcast believe Hendrix starts the bowl game, and with good reason. They made it seem like it's a complete no-brainer and that there's no point in starting Rees. Hendrix has all the practices leading up the bowl game to rep w/ the ones. There's nothing to lose in the Champs Bowl, so it's a "show me what you got" situation. If he's even half as productive as Tony Pike or Zach Collaros, then ND will be tough to beat.

Before the Stanford game, I truly believed Tommy would be starter for the Navy game next year. After being pulled at halftime, I think Tommy has started his last game (barring injuries) at ND. My take on it, is that BK is over it and ready to move forward with a different QB. Next spring the true competition is between Andrew and Everett. Best of luck to both. It'll be fun to watch.

 

[kmoose]

Yes, that guy from Huber Heights Wayne Ohio,the Big Ten freshman of the year

Who did he beat out? They have to give the award out to someone.

the guy who is more talented than any other QB on the ND roster.

You're confusing potential with talent. Talent is what you can do. Right now, Miller is an average runner and a very poor passer. That's his talent level, right now. He should get better, but that's not a guarantee.........just ask Tommy Rees.

Remember that I am a ND fan, I'm just being truthful.

Your truth is not reality. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that tOSU's coaches would have more highly coveted Tommy Rees, than ND's coaches would have coveted Braxton Miller.

 

[OCIrish]

Your truth is not reality. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that tOSU's coaches would have more highly coveted Tommy Rees, than ND's coaches would have coveted Braxton Miller.

That would be a losing bet....ND very much wanted Braxton Miller. I can't think of too many schools outside of the MAC and maybe Illinois that were hard after Tommy Rees.

 

[DCirishfan]

No chance Rees would play at OSU sorry, I don't care what "evidence" anyone claims it would not happen except in case of injury. I don't understand the logic in these things.

 

[kmoose]

That would be a losing bet....ND very much wanted Braxton Miller. I can't think of too many schools outside of the MAC and maybe Illinois that were hard after Tommy Rees.

I'm talking about their play this last year, not their recruiting cycles. If you watched the tOSU/Michigan game, you can't tell me that tOSU would not have won that game, with a QB who was even a mediocre passer.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Who did he beat out? They have to give the award out to someone.



You're confusing potential with talent. Talent is what you can do. Right now, Miller is an average runner and a very poor passer. That's his talent level, right now. He should get better, but that's not a guarantee.........just ask Tommy Rees.



Your truth is not reality. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that tOSU's coaches would have more highly coveted Tommy Rees, than ND's coaches would have coveted Braxton Miller.

I disagree with pretty much everything in this post. The only thing you have correct is that Miller is a poor passer.

 

[kmoose]

I disagree with pretty much everything in this post. The only thing you have correct is that Miller is a poor passer.

He's not a fantastic runner. He's pretty average. He doesn't accelerate well out the backfield, he doesn't run away from the defense. Maybe I just haven't seen his better games. But I watch OSU when I can.

I was asking a serious question about who he beat out for Freshman of the Year. I don't know what other Freshmen there were, in the Big Ten, this year. I've tried to look up the award, but I can't find a list of finalists.

And I think there's no doubt that, if OSU had an even decent passing QB in the game against Michigan, they would have won. Tommy Rees would have won that game, for OSU.

 

[ryno 24]

Kmoose you are a very intelligent poster and very knowledgeable about notre dame football ... but we recruited and offered a scholarship to braxton miller. He ran a 4.5 in high school... was also known to be a prototypical qb who has good accuracy... he was also a four star recruit... playing in an offense that did not either fit him or use his abilities adaquitly(I'm sorry this word is spelled wrong and I do not know the correct spelling) Tommy Rees on the other hand was recruited to compete but was expected to be more of a backup. He also did not fit in OSU's offense at all, nor was he offered by them. Saying that TR did what he could for us in 15 games. Braxton Miller has more upside has very good speed as well as shake, wiggle, or whatever the kids call it now a days. He also has a very strong arm and will be a perfect fit in Meyer's offense. He played pretty well other than the couple of missed passes that can be expected from a freshman. He kept ohio state in that game against michigan. I think we would be very happy if he was on our team...

But I do respect you as a poster and generally you are right on topics regarding nd football

 

[clashmore_mike]

I don't see how you could have watched Ohio State games this year and think that Miller is an average runner. I do believe he had two 80 yard TD runs and was more than capable of running away from defenses.

 

[kmoose]

Kmoose you are a very intelligent poster and very knowledgeable about notre dame football ... but we recruited and offered a scholarship to braxton miller. He ran a 4.5 in high school... was also known to be a prototypical qb who has good accuracy... he was also a four star recruit... playing in an offense that did not either fit him or use his abilities adaquitly(I'm sorry this word is spelled wrong and I do not know the correct spelling) Tommy Rees on the other hand was recruited to compete but was expected to be more of a backup. He also did not fit in OSU's offense at all, nor was he offered by them. Saying that TR did what he could for us in 15 games. Braxton Miller has more upside has very good speed as well as shake, wiggle, or whatever the kids call it now a days. He also has a very strong arm and will be a perfect fit in Meyer's offense. He played pretty well other than the couple of missed passes that can be expected from a freshman. He kept ohio state in that game against michigan. I think we would be very happy if he was on our team...

But I do respect you as a poster and generally you are right on topics regarding nd football

You expect freshmen to miss a couple of passes here and there. But you DON'T expect them to miss guys who are open by 15-20 yards, with no one between them and the end zone. He did keep them in the game against Michigan.... he should have WON it for them. He missed at least 2 guys who were wide open for TDs, and that was just in the second half. I don't have anything against the kid. But I really don't understand the hype around him. He's not shown me anything that justifies everyone's hopes.

 

[clashmore_mike]

You expect freshmen to miss a couple of passes here and there. But you DON'T expect them to miss guys who are open by 15-20 yards, with no one between them and the end zone. He did keep them in the game against Michigan.... he should have WON it for them. He missed at least 2 guys who were wide open for TDs, and that was just in the second half. I don't have anything against the kid. But I really don't understand the hype around him. He's not shown me anything that justifies everyone's hopes.

But you think Rees wins that game for OSU if he were there? That would mean no Floyd or Eifert to bail him out and he'd be a sitting duck behind their line.

 

[kmoose]

But you think Rees wins that game for OSU if he were there? That would mean no Floyd or Eifert to bail him out and he'd be a sitting duck behind their line.

OSU's receivers were nearly running roughshod over Michigan's secondary. They were so wide open that "bailing out" would not be necessary.

 

[clashmore_mike]

OSU's receivers were nearly running roughshod over Michigan's secondary. They were so wide open that "bailing out" would not be necessary.

And those throws were open 40+ yards downfield. Rees struggles to push the ball 30 yards downfield. Doesn't matter how open they are or how good they are if the ball can't get to them.

 

[4irishnation]

You expect freshmen to miss a couple of passes here and there.

Like Hendrix did right?

But you DON'T expect them to miss guys who are open by 15-20 yards,

Like Tommy does on 95% of his deep balls right? SMH just making a point kmoose!!!!!!

 

[OCIrish]

Ok, my turn.....Rees missed wide open WRs this year, and I mean of the completely wide open variety, whether it was an overthrow or a complete misread of the D. You're comparing Rees to Miller all while knowing that Rees has a year on Miller and facing a D (Michigan) who would planned their D around what Pitt, Southern Cal, BC, and Stanford did to him.

Let's try comparing them after Millers 2nd year in tOSUs program.....I'm gonna tell ya right now, even in his first year under UM he's gonna win more games and have way better stats.

 

[kmoose]

Like Tommy does on 95% of his deep balls right? SMH just making a point kmoose!!!!!!

You don't make a valid point by exaggerating things to cartoonish proportions. You're saying that ND's receivers are open by 15-20 yards on 95% of Rees' deep balls? All that shaking of your head is causing some damage, I think.

 

[kmoose]

Let's try comparing them after Millers 2nd year in tOSUs program.....I'm gonna tell ya right now, even in his first year under UM he's gonna win more games and have way better stats.

That's fair. But I'm not saying that Miller can't develop into anything. But, as seems to be the norm lately, people are hyping him up as if he is already performing at his peak development. What ever happened to earning such high praise?

 

[HereComeTheIrish]

That's fair. But I'm not saying that Miller can't develop into anything. But, as seems to be the norm lately, people are hyping him up as if he is already performing at his peak development. What ever happened to earning such high praise?

He lived off of his wheels.... Keep in mind, there's a reason that Adam Sandler, errrrr, I mean Luke Fickle was "reassigned" and a lot of it had to do with the fact that his defense sucked and this kid couldn't pass the friggin' football.

 

[4irishnation]

You don't make a valid point by exaggerating things to cartoonish proportions. You're saying that ND's receivers are open by 15-20 yards on 95% of Rees' deep balls? All that shaking of your head is causing some damage, I think.

Passing Efficiency - NCAA.comYour right I saw this and it made me feel much better. Not to bad for a QB with a decent running game, a really nice TE in Eifert, and the best WR we've ever had here. [/Ime·di·oc·ri·ty/ˌmēdēˈäkrətē/
Noun:

The quality or state of being mediocre.
A person of mediocre ability. AND THATS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OUT OF MY QB

 

[kmoose]

Passing Efficiency - NCAA.comYour right I saw this and it made me feel much better. Not to bad for a QB with a decent running game, a really nice TE in Eifert, and the best WR we've ever had here. [/Ime·di·oc·ri·ty/ˌmēdēˈäkrətē/
Noun:

The quality or state of being mediocre.
A person of mediocre ability. AND THATS WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR OUT OF MY QB

So Rees is barely above average. You don't like him, I get that. I think we all get that. That doesn't change the fact that you're exaggerating, to make him seem even worse.

 

[4irishnation]

So Rees is barely above average. You don't like him, I get that.

Yup right around Hendrix completion percentage in the second half of the Stanford game. I don't think you do get it moose I've told you I had stood up for Tommy for the last year and a half but he just isn't progressing and I can't take it anymore you can't deny that. Your riding a damn donkey in the Kentucky Derby bro!!!!! While attempting throws of 10 or more yards this season, Tommy Rees has completed 56.1 percent of such passes at home, averaging 11.1 yards per attempt, with five touchdowns and four interceptions. On the road, Rees has completed just 38.3 percent of such throws, averaging 7.2 yards per attempt, with four touchdowns and five interceptions.Notre Dame Football Blog

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1Q: Stanford 7, Notre Dame 0
November, 26, 2011
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By Kevin Gemmell
STANFORD, Calif. -- Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck matched John Elway for most career touchdowns in Stanford history, with 77, when he connected with tight end Levine Toilolo on a 3-yard jump ball to the 6-foot-8 tight end, giving the Cardinal a 7-0 lead.

Notre Dame was stringing together a nice answer drive, moving 36 yards in eight plays until quarterback Tommy Rees fumbled and the Cardinal recovered at their own 30.

Stanford linebacker Chase Thomas has been Rees' worst nightmare in the first 15 minutes of the game. Thomas knocked Rees out for a play, coming up the middle and driving the quarterback into the ground.

Rees would return on the next series, only to see Thomas sack him and strip the ball in the process -- his fifth forced fumble of the season.

Not a very clean start for the Irish either, who have three false-start penalties in the first quarter.

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Notre Dame Fighting Irish, Stanford Cardinal, Tommy Rees, Stanford Cardinal, Andrew Luck, Levine Toilolo, Notre Dame Irish, John Elway, Chase Thomas
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By Matt Fortuna I wonder if he helped those road stats against Stanford? So who needs that head checked?

 

[kmoose]

Your riding a damn donkey in the Kentucky Derby bro!!!!!

1. It's you're, damnit!

2. I'm not riding anything. You act as if I am demanding that Rees be named the starter for as long as he is wearing an ND uniform? I was saying, on the live chat during the first half of the Stanford game, that Kelly needed to bring out another QB after halftime. I really don't care who starts, as long as the coaches beleive that they are our best chance at a win. But I don't care how long you defended Rees, now you're hammering away at the kid as if he is the worst player ever to put on a pair of cleats. He deserves your thanks, and regrets that you are no longer in his camp. He doesn't deserve your exaggerations to make him look like a schlep!

 

[4irishnation]

1. It's you're, damnit!

Yep I'm an idiot. And you don't like me, I get that. I think we all get that.

But I don't care how long you defended Rees, now you're hammering away at the kid as if he is the worst player ever to put on a pair of cleats. He deserves your thanks, and regrets that you are no longer in his camp.

That doesn't change the fact that your exaggerating, to make me seem worse than I really is.

 

[4irishnation]

Now that right there is funny. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

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[kmoose]

Yep I'm an idiot.

Didn't realize that you were too new to pick up on the vague Bambi reference of "It's you're, damit!"

I don't hate you, I hate the played out tune of "Rees is no good; Crist, et.al, got shafted because Kelly is too arrogant to admit he made a mistake."

 

[4irishnation]

I hate the played out tune of "Rees is no good;

Fact is Tommy was the best choice we had last season after Dayne went down. If it was that he showed more patience in the pocket or picked up on the offense or if Andrew just wasn't ready I don't know, but we are not getting better as the year progresses on the offensive side of the ball and you know that. You admitted to wanting a QB change, so you got what you wanted in the Stanford game. Immediately after the game you were critical of Andrews play which pissed alot of us off because it was a sign of what is possible with a mobile QB with a big arm in this offense. I myself have never went the way of calling Tommy "Turnover Tommy" or calling him inept or whatever, so don't lump me into that category. I want to win, and win big so we can shove it down the throat of every piece of trash CFB analyst in the country(EXCEPT FOR LOU) who says that we aren't ever going to win a damn thing again. I will stand up and thank Tommy for the 2 years of service and wish him well. No hard feelings here just passion bro

 

[Old Man Mike]

Boggles my mind why everyone can't take a more middle-of-the-road position on this which would say things like:

A). Tommy Rees stepped into a tough situation, played pretty well given the circumstances, learned heroically on the fly, and managed games well enough for us that we won most of them;

B). being a raw newbie, and trying to comprehend things like pre-snap calls, defensive adjustments, in-play receiver route reads [which they were doing too, often causing the alleged bad throws rather than Tommy -- Kelly often said this for anyone who was listening], he was bound to make some errors; but he took it on the chin for the team and became the target for much "hater" commentary;

C). Coach stuck with him, as he was in his estimation tough enough to mostly bring home wins while being blasted by the fans, and hoped that Tommy would develop at least marginal skill in the one area vitally missing: the willingness to run at least a little in emergency scrambling situations. Tommy finally showed that this was a thing that he just could not do;

D). Andrew Hendrix was being groomed all season to be able to combine the things that Coach knew he could do with the jobs that he as yet, in Coach's estimation, could not: pre-snap reads, familiarity with the receivers' idiosyncratic ways of reading coverages and positioning their bodies after breaks etc. Until the very end of the season, Coach felt that the difference between a "savvy" Rees and a talented Hendrix favored Tommy in terms of being able to handle all elements of the offense. By the very end of the season, Andrew gained enough ground on Tommy that talent finally could replace savvy and mental toughness.

Going into Spring, Coach will still be assessing all the QBs [Rees, Hendrix, Golson], because he's no crystal ball gazer and that's his job. He will be looking to see if Tommy is going to be able to run [probably not], or if Andrew and Everett show the mental ability [pre-and-post-snap] necessary, AND the needed familiarity with the receivers' habits. The one which shows this best will be given the keys to the Rolls Royce.

Almost everyone on this board sees this situation as one ending in either Andrew or Everett taking over. What most of us wish was a lot less semi-vicious remarking on Tommy's imperfections. This young man did a lot of service for Kelly and our team. See him, gently, for who he is.