QB Competition during the spring

[4irishnation]

While attempting throws of 10 or more yards this season, Tommy Rees has completed 56.1 percent of such passes at home, averaging 11.1 yards per attempt, with five touchdowns and four interceptions. On the road, Rees has completed just 38.3 percent of such throws, averaging 7.2 yards per attempt, with four touchdowns and five interceptions.

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November, 25, 2011
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By Matt Fortuna

 

[4irishnation]

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[DomerInHappyValley]

This is as close as I could find. His numbers are pretty good, in most categories, but he struggled in others. (40% completions on 3rd and goal/4th and goal)

Tommy Rees Stats, Splits - Notre Dame Fighting Irish - ESPN

Interesting that his completion percentage drops to 59% from the 20 in and to 50% from the 10 in.
3rd down percentage is 59%
Extremely efficient on 2nd down though at 70%.
3rd and 8-10 is 55%
3rd and 11+ is 44%
3rd and 6+ is 53%
Not bashing just a weird dichotomy to me when looking at his completion percentage of 65%.

 

[kmoose]

Interesting that his completion percentage drops to 59% from the 20 in and to 50% from the 10 in.

That's not really all that weird. Less field for the Defense to defend. I would say it probably says more about the WRs than the QB.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

That's not really all that weird. Less field for the Defense to defend. I would say it probably says more about the WRs than the QB.

30 yards of field is still 30 yards of field whether it's from the 20 to the back of the end zone or the 20 to the 50.
Plus on 1st and goal he's completing 80% granted that's with a small sample size of 5 passes.
And from the 10 in go compare to his numbers between the 40's.

 

[kmoose]

30 yards of field is still 30 yards of field whether it's from the 20 to the back of the end zone or the 20 to the 50.
Plus on 1st and goal he's completing 80% granted that's with a small sample size of 5 passes.
And from the 10 in go compare to his numbers between the 40's.

But, from the 30, there is 40 yards of field to defend. Inside the ten, there is less than 20 yards, vertically. It's a pretty well known adage that being outside of about the 10-15 yard line makes it MUCH harder on the DBs.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

But, from the 30, there is 40 yards of field to defend. Inside the ten, there is less than 20 yards, vertically. It's a pretty well known adage that being outside of about the 10-15 yard line makes it MUCH harder on the DBs.

I'm going by what I see to drop 12 percentage points is a lot whether the DB's don't have to drop as far or not. Makes me wonder if it's Kelly tightening up the play calling because of problems in the red zone this year and taking PA out of the equation or if the D is doing something that Tommy isn't adjusting for at the line of scrimmage because we've seen a few timeouts used because he took to long to adjust.
Like I said it's weird to me to see a QB as efficient as he has been to drop that much.
I just looked at Tyler Bray UT sophmore QB.
He is completing 59% on the season and in the red zone he's completing 58% from the 10 in he's completing 62% so basically he stays consistent.
He has missed 5 games this season including missing Bama, LSU, and Arkie. so obviously those numbers would be down if he had played them. Comparably I'd say he was the closest I could find to Tommy that isn't a running threat just wish the sample size was larger.
Tyler Bray Game By Game Stats and Performance - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN

 

[kmoose]

I'm going by what I see to drop 12 percentage points is a lot whether the DB's don't have to drop as far or not. Makes me wonder if it's Kelly tightening up the play calling because of problems in the red zone this year and taking PA out of the equation or if the D is doing something that Tommy isn't adjusting for at the line of scrimmage because we've seen a few timeouts used because he took to long to adjust.
Like I said it's weird to me to see a QB as efficient as he has been to drop that much.
I just looked at Tyler Bray UT sophmore QB.
He is completing 59% on the season and in the red zone he's completing 58% from the 10 in he's completing 62% so basically he stays consistent.
He has missed 5 games this season including missing Bama, LSU, and Arkie. so obviously those numbers would be down if he had played them. Comparably I'd say he was the closest I could find to Tommy that isn't a running threat just wish the sample size was larger.
Tyler Bray Game By Game Stats and Performance - Tennessee Volunteers - ESPN

Case Keenum at Houston: Whether you like him or not, he's putting up Tecmo Bowl numbers. His completion percentage drops over 20%, from inside the 40, to inside the 20. DBs can play tighter coverage, because they don't have to worry about getting beat deep.

 

[DomerInHappyValley]

Case Keenum at Houston: Whether you like him or not, he's putting up Tecmo Bowl numbers. His completion percentage drops over 20%, from inside the 40, to inside the 20. DBs can play tighter coverage, because they don't have to worry about getting beat deep.

I left Keenum out because he's a 5th year senior but I can see where he would be comparable.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

I left Keenum out because he's a 5th year senior

Actually, he's a sixth year. He tore his ACL in the third game of the 2010 season and was granted a rare medical redshirt.

 

[Sweetness34]

Everett Golson gives us the best chance to win games for the next for years. He is a mix of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. He is the game changer at QB that this offense needs and I hope he gets a true chance to start next year.

 

[IrishinSyria]

Everett Golson gives us the best chance to win games for the next for years. He is a mix of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. He is the game changer at QB that this offense needs and I hope he gets a true chance to start next year.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that there's no way you can know this given the amount of information on Golson that's publicly available.

 

[ACSlaterJeans]

Everett Golson gives us the best chance to win games for the next for years. He is a mix of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. He is the game changer at QB that this offense needs and I hope he gets a true chance to start next year.

I want him to be the man as much as anyone - he went to my high school - but this is pure conjecture.

 

[Irish52]

Qtrbk.







Qtrbk competition: Look for Gunner Kiel to be our starting qtrbk next season. Hendrix to be backup with Colson in 3rd place.

 

[Who'saWildManNow]

Everett Golson gives us the best chance to win games for the next for years. He is a mix of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. He is the game changer at QB that this offense needs and I hope he gets a true chance to start next year.

Qtrbk.







Qtrbk competition: Look for Gunner Kiel to be our starting qtrbk next season. Hendrix to be backup with Colson in 3rd place.

Hmmmm.. Can't say I agree with that. After Spring ball I think we're looking at Hendrix/Golson 1a 1b and Rees with hopefully Gunner preserving a year.

 

[OCIrish]

I haven't missed watching a game in 8 years.. if Tommy starts against Navy next year in the opener, I might miss several games, probably totaling 13

I hate to say it, but I absolutely have to agree with you on this....I don't think I can watch another season with him leading this team.

 

[Sweetness34]

It should be a battle of Hendrix and Golson for starter. Kiel will redshirt and Rees will be 3rd. Unless Rees gets more athletic or mobile then he will need to transfer. Rees was a great stop gap QB but the template is out on how to stop him. He is limited and he won't take ND to the next level of college football. It's sad but true.

 

[kmoose]

Everett Golson gives us the best chance to win games for the next for years. He is a mix of Troy Smith and Braxton Miller. He is the game changer at QB that this offense needs and I hope he gets a true chance to start next year.

No wonder he's sitting on the bench. Comparing a kid to Braxton Miller is not exactly a compliment!

 

[OCIrish]

I know I am a little premature in starting this thread now, but I was hoping some information could be shared. Anyone have any "inside" information on how the other QB's are doing? Like strengths/weakness' in learning/performing the offense?

Also, I don't want this to become a Rees vs the world thread. I think we all know his strengths, and shortcomings. I am more interested in whats being said about the other players development.

All information is much appreciated.

I think Crist gets the nod, with Rees a very close second with special packages for Hendrix and Golson respectively..........

 

[OCIrish]

Ok, I was just kidding, for those playing along @ home.....

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Spring competition between Golson and Hendrix for the starting job. I think it's pretty clear that is the direction we are going in and should we be fortunate enough to land Gunner, he clearly redshirts for the future. Seems like the bigger question mark is where will Tommy land?

Some have suggested he would be 3rd string behind our two young speedsters, but do you really see Tommy running the scout team? Preparing and/or simulating the opposition? Where Tommy ends up seems to be impacted more by if we gain Gunner, since he would most likely run the scout team during his redshirt year.

With an experienced game manager in Tommy, where would he fit in? Seems like two versions of the same question; where could Tommy land with and without the addition of Gunner Kiel this recruiting cycle. Tommy's not the kind of guy who transfers in the face of competition. If that were the case he'd have already departed.

If I were to have a depth chart, I'd be coach [politically] correct and list it as:

1) Winner of Hendrix / Golson competition.
2) Tommy Rees
2) Hendrix / Golson

Gunner, would obviously not be on the #-deep.

 

[D-BOE34]

Mulvey = Rees in 2012

 

[Old Man Mike]

This is one place where I think Coach will watch and wait. He has to imagine the chance that the loser of the Hendrix/Golson spring battle may transfer. If so, Tommy's position is very clear. He's the "capable back-up". And, I suppose, that Tommy will be OK with that, knowing that he still has a chance to play.

If the loser of the Hendrix/Golson battle does NOT transfer [on the theory that they are just one snap away from starting ], then I think that everyone stays on the roster and Kiel simulates the opposing QB. Tommy sticks it out as he's in his third year of getting an ND education, and would have to transfer quite a bit downscale football-wise if he was to be assured of stepping in somewhere as a starter. [re-learning everything].

 

[JughedJones]

This is one place where I think Coach will watch and wait. He has to imagine the chance that the loser of the Hendrix/Golson spring battle may transfer. If so, Tommy's position is very clear. He's the "capable back-up". And, I suppose, that Tommy will be OK with that, knowing that he still has a chance to play.

If the loser of the Hendrix/Golson battle does NOT transfer [on the theory that they are just one snap away from starting ], then I think that everyone stays on the roster and Kiel simulates the opposing QB. Tommy sticks it out as he's in his third year of getting an ND education, and would have to transfer quite a bit downscale football-wise if he was to be assured of stepping in somewhere as a starter. [re-learning everything].

Exactly.

And do we really think Tommy believes he even has an outside chance of being an NFL QB?

He's ND the whole way.

 

[Sweetness34]

No wonder he's sitting on the bench. Comparing a kid to Braxton Miller is not exactly a compliment!

He's sitting on the bench to preserve a year of eligibility. It's a GREAT compliment to be compared to the Big 10 freshman of the year. Braxton in two years will be a Heisman trophy candidate. He has more talent than any of the current ND QBs and may I remind you that I am a Notre Dame fan. I would take Braxton over any QB on the ND roster hands down and I would bet any money that BK would too.

 

[Andy in Sactown]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Notre Dame.. my bust.

 

[Sweetness34]

Wait, I thought we were talking about Notre Dame.. my bust.

We are but you have to follow the whole conversation.

 

[kmoose]

He's sitting on the bench to preserve a year of eligibility. It's a GREAT compliment to be compared to the Big 10 freshman of the year. Braxton in two years will be a Heisman trophy candidate. He has more talent than any of the current ND QBs and may I remind you that I am a Notre Dame fan. I would take Braxton over any QB on the ND roster hands down and I would bet any money that BK would too.

Now that right there is funny. I don't care who you are, that's funny right there!

 

[Rocket89]

Miller needs to work on his passing, but once the line starts protecting him and Meyer gets his hands on him---he's going to be very, very good.

 

[irishff1014]

He's sitting on the bench to preserve a year of eligibility. It's a GREAT compliment to be compared to the Big 10 freshman of the year. Braxton in two years will be a Heisman trophy candidate. He has more talent than any of the current ND QBs and may I remind you that I am a Notre Dame fan. I would take Braxton over any QB on the ND roster hands down and I would bet any money that BK would too.

This the same guy that can complete 5 of 19 passing ??????