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[jprue24]

His sons aren't P5 starters

C'mon....wtf is this nonsense. Shedeur is without a doubt a P4 QB. Given the choice, I'd rather have him over Leonard

 

[calvegas04]

C'mon....wtf is this nonsense. Shedeur is without a doubt a P4 QB. Given the choice, I'd rather have him over Leonard

You serious clark?

 

[jprue24]

Are you!? Have you watched him play?

Our starter didn't complete at 60% over 7 games last year and has to have his mom tell him he sucks to motivate him.


Yeah, I'd rather have a guy that performed better behind an ATTROCIOUS offense line in a better conference, than a guy that didn't.

 

[calvegas04]

Are you!? Have you watched him play?

Our starter didn't complete at 60% over 7 games last year and has to have his mom tell him he sucks to motivate him.


Yeah, I'd rather have a guy that performed better behind an ATTROCIOUS offense line in a better conference, than a guy that didn't.

Okkkkaaayyy

 

[jprue24]

Okkkkaaayyy

Appreciate you coming around so quickly

 

[ColoradoIrish]

I'd take shadeur with our OL any day of the week.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'd take shadeur with our OL any day of the week.

So would Shadeur.

 

[NDohio]

C'mon....wtf is this nonsense. Shedeur is without a doubt a P4 QB. Given the choice, I'd rather have him over Leonard

I think Shadeur is a pretty good P4 QB as well. I would not take him over Leanard.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I think Shadeur is a pretty good P4 QB as well. I would not take him over Leanard.

Right now, the only guy I might take before Shedeur as a 2025 Draft prospect is Carson Beck.

The assumption was Shedeur wasn't going to be able to make the jump from HBCU to the Pac 12. He did that emphatically with a stat line of 3230/27-3/69% at Colorado. His OL had what Peyton Manning might call "protection issues." Sanders, being the son of an NFL HOF, has access to people like Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, etc. That kind of thing matters.

Regardless of the competition, Sanders has attempted more than double the amount of passes Leonard has. I like Leonard, but I don't know nearly enough about him compared to Sam Hartman and Shedeur Sanders just based on the filmable reps they've all taken.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Shadeur is one of the biggest QB prospects for 2025 and looked great last year. Him at ND would make us all significantly more comfortable.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I was under the impression Deion was going to recruit more at the HS and Juco levels. It appears that he's going after players in the portal specifically and not doing much scholastic recruiting.

I'll admit, this changes my perception of him and what he's trying to accomplish. I really think that a lot of what Deion is saying and has experienced would be good lessons for a lot of today's youth in the high school football recruiting world, but it doesn't feel like he's interested in pursuing high school players. It's disappointing.

 

[ColinKSU]

What’s confusing about what he said?

Media isn’t at practice and if they were, they’d see they weren’t players. Media says they’re not allowed at practice, so Deion implies that he’s happy about that because if they were, then all that’d do is write about how bad those players were.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He's not in the interest of honoring scholarships if he doesn't think guys can play and or are not behaving themselves off the field. He's not pretending this is amateur football. He's running the program like a pro roster. Just cutting players and replacing them.

 

[Wild Bill]

Right now, the only guy I might take before Shedeur as a 2025 Draft prospect is Carson Beck.

The assumption was Shedeur wasn't going to be able to make the jump from HBCU to the Pac 12. He did that emphatically with a stat line of 3230/27-3/69% at Colorado. His OL had what Peyton Manning might call "protection issues." Sanders, being the son of an NFL HOF, has access to people like Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, etc. That kind of thing matters.

Regardless of the competition, Sanders has attempted more than double the amount of passes Leonard has. I like Leonard, but I don't know nearly enough about him compared to Sam Hartman and Shedeur Sanders just based on the filmable reps they've all taken.

He put up big numbers against TCU, Neb, Col State, USC, and Stanford who are all atrocious against the pass. He was average, at best, against anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if I'd take Leonard over him. Leonard has more potential than him imo. That means absolutely nothing though. I'd definitely take Ewers, Gabriel, Dart and Beck who you mentioned. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'd probably take milroe, Cam Ward, and Cam Rising if he's healthy too.

 

[jprue24]

CU was sacked 56 times last year, 4 per game....2nd worst in college football. At least 1/3 of this board would stroke out if ND gave up that many. ND had 40 fewer btw.




You are nuts.....Cam Rising .

Sanders would be drafted tomorrow night if he came out. ND has had one first round QB since Holtz.

 

[Rocketman84]

C'mon....wtf is this nonsense. Shedeur is without a doubt a P4 QB. Given the choice, I'd rather have him over Leonard

Hell no! mediocre arm on deep throws, erratic footwork and poor ball security (20 fumbles), average athleticism.

 

[Rocketman84]

Right now, the only guy I might take before Shedeur as a 2025 Draft prospect is Carson Beck.

The assumption was Shedeur wasn't going to be able to make the jump from HBCU to the Pac 12. He did that emphatically with a stat line of 3230/27-3/69% at Colorado. His OL had what Peyton Manning might call "protection issues." Sanders, being the son of an NFL HOF, has access to people like Tom Brady, Troy Aikman, etc. That kind of thing matters.

Regardless of the competition, Sanders has attempted more than double the amount of passes Leonard has. I like Leonard, but I don't know nearly enough about him compared to Sam Hartman and Shedeur Sanders just based on the filmable reps they've all taken.

Quinn Ewers, and in what I'll say is an extremely weak QB class

 

[ColinKSU]

He put up big numbers against TCU, Neb, Col State, USC, and Stanford who are all atrocious against the pass. He was average, at best, against anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if I'd take Leonard over him. Leonard has more potential than him imo. That means absolutely nothing though. I'd definitely take Ewers, Gabriel, Dart and Beck who you mentioned. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'd probably take milroe, Cam Ward, and Cam Rising if he's healthy too.

This just reminded me of how bad next year’s QB Draft class will be. There isn’t a legitimate NFL starter in that group, and that includes Leonard.

 

[stlnd01]

This just reminded me of how bad next year’s QB Draft class will be. There isn’t a legitimate NFL starter in that group, and that includes Leonard.

You might have thought one or two of this year's class would've stuck around another season. Many of the big names had a year or two left on the clock.

 

[stlnd01]

He's not in the interest of honoring scholarships if he doesn't think guys can play and or are not behaving themselves off the field. He's not pretending this is amateur football. He's running the program like a pro roster. Just cutting players and replacing them.

What he's doing is kind of antithetical to the whole idea of college football (which is very in keeping with the times), abandoning the traditional approach of developing players from high school kids into grown-ass men over the course of several years, and replacing it with a series of one-year rentals, maximixing the talent on hand and betting you can do the complicated work of building a winning football team in, basically, a few months. But, like, even the NFL doesn't have this kind of roster turnover.
It's an interesting experiment to watch, if nothing else.

 

[Irish#1]

What he's doing is kind of antithetical to the whole idea of college football (which is very in keeping with the times), abandoning the traditional approach of developing players from high school kids into grown-ass men over the course of several years, and replacing it with a series of one-year rentals, maximixing the talent on hand and betting you can do the complicated work of building a winning football team in, basically, a few months. But, like, even the NFL doesn't have this kind of roster turnover.
It's an interesting experiment to watch, if nothing else.

I'm not sure it's a path to success. You have to build continuity within the O & D and bringing in new players doesn't provide enough time for guys to learn each other. You also have the overall culture of the program that is difficult to instill if your guys are one year rentals.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

He put up big numbers against TCU, Neb, Col State, USC, and Stanford who are all atrocious against the pass. He was average, at best, against anyone with a pulse.

Not sure if I'd take Leonard over him. Leonard has more potential than him imo. That means absolutely nothing though. I'd definitely take Ewers, Gabriel, Dart and Beck who you mentioned. I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I'd probably take milroe, Cam Ward, and Cam Rising if he's healthy too.

He threw three picks all season. "Average at best" guys throw three by mistake on tipped balls and or WR mistakes in a month. The schedule was what it was. Again, it was going to be too much for him coming from an FCS HBCU. It doesn't seem to have turned out that way. His worst game was probably UCLA, who had one of the best DC in the country last year.

I doubt you're in the minority here and anywhere else, but the people who actually matter, we will see. Early indications are the pro scouts like him. 2025 Draft is a long way away, though. I don't understand what most people see in Ewers, but from scouts to regular message board dudes there is something there it seems.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

I'm not sure it's a path to success. You have to build continuity within the O & D and bringing in new players doesn't provide enough time for guys to learn each other. You also have the overall culture of the program that is difficult to instill if your guys are one year rentals.

I'm inclined to agree with this.

When you cut past his playing career and celebrity friends, he's not a players coach at all. He's an old school southern red ass.

 

[Jiggafini19Deux]

 

[zelezo vlk]

This is a bad look




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[HouseofPain]

Sanders is truly everything that is bad about college football rolled into one package.

 

[Riddickulous]

Shedeur makes Caleb Williams look like the world's most likable QB.

 

[bobbyok1]

This is a bad look




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Sounds like a guy who was babied growing up. Just sayin'

I had an alcoholic defensive coach who yelled at us all the time, and hardly ever gave any praise. I don't ever recall thinking about crying and asking for him to be a little more compassionate. I remember getting pissed at him and thinking "I'll show this &^$%%&"

And thats what I did. And it was then that he affirmed me. He was making me tougher, and I appreciated his hard nose approach in the long run.

P.S. Not recommending the alcoholic approach by the way. Never a good path

 

[sixstar]

This is a bad look




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fighting the urge to reply to his tweet with a video of the Oregon game highlights

 

[NDPhilly]

All of Deion's kids are assholes. Idk if you can blame them when their dad was an even bigger one.

I would bet Shedeur is the NCAA cover athlete too. Gross.